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Which will you throw in the PC Storage first?

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 590 16.2%
  • Eevee

    Votes: 571 15.7%
  • Your hopes and dreams

    Votes: 2,083 57.4%
  • Jmon

    Votes: 387 10.7%

  • Total voters
    3,631

Mandikiri

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Apr 21, 2018
293
Boston, MA.
I am a core fan and I am extremely excited for this game. Team Let's Go Eevee.

Plus I don't mind the differences. Is a nice change of pace until Gen 8 comes out next year.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
I am curious, have you asked them what stopped them from buying one of the 3ds games? Or what specifically excites them about the new games?

Quite simply they just adore the original 151 and can't recognize any of the new designs. And when you skip a gen or two it just gets worse.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,238
I suppose you are a game developer then?
Yes, yes i am.
Ive been working with 5th cell (sadly closed), and ive worked on my own as an indie. Is hard as balls for smaller studios with incredible small budgets, but a developer that earns the amount of money that gamefreak does has ZERO excuses to do what they are doing.
But hey, I think you wanted me to say no so you could say I knew nothing. Congrats on not getting what you wanted.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,300
Quite simply they just adore the original 151 and can't recognize any of the new designs. And when you skip a gen or two it just gets worse.
The fact you can't recognize them is the exciting part though... the wonder of finding new Pokémon you haven't seen before is one of the best parts. I don't see how it gets "worse", they always make a smaller selection of Pokémon in each game for that very reason.
 

LiK

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,115
The trailer was really well done. Looks like a big full game. Graphics looked underwhelming tho.
 

Deleted member 32018

User requested account closure
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Yes, yes i am.
Ive been working with 5th cell (sadly closed), and ive worked on my own as an indie. Is hard as balls for smaller studios with incredible small budgets, but a developer that earns the amount of money that gamefreak does has ZERO excuses to do what they are doing.
But hey, I think you wanted me to say no so you could say I knew nothing. Congrats on not getting what you wanted.

You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).
 

Xita

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
9,185
The fact you can't recognize them is the exciting part though... the wonder of finding new Pokémon you haven't seen before is one of the best parts. I don't see how it gets "worse", they always make a smaller selection of Pokémon in each game for that very reason.

Yeah I can't relate, going into B1W1 having no idea what new Pokemon would be around the corner was so exciting
 

Łazy

Member
Nov 1, 2017
5,249
I really wasn't attracted at all by the 3ds Pokemon games but I'm looking forward to this one.
And to be honest I'm not sure I'd be interested in the 2019 one if it wasn't different enough from the 3ds ones.

But for both, I'm waiting for details anyway.
 

Blunoise

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,885
Atlanta, GA
Doesn't this game take place when red is his sum and Moon age?

They forget Pikachu's could make pichu
yea its rumored to after and red and blue are much older while you are new trainers.....we really don't know that much more of the game. which is why i think e3 is going to show more of what the game has to offer, like i wonder if we will be able to customize our characters again.also knowing that it has until November the game is going to look much nicer as well
 

Omegamon

Alt Account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,884
You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).
Stop dismissing other people's opinions for what game they like, grow up.
 

Deleted member 32018

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Stop dismissing other people's opinions for what game they like, grow up.

I wasn't dismissing anyone's opinion and I apologise if it looks that way but I will call out anyone who thinks their opinion means more because they are an armchair dev and are basically saying that Game Freak suck as developers without knowing anything about how they develop or knowing anything about a Gen 8 game that hasn't even been revealed yet.
 

Deleted member 2809

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You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).
That's a pretty sad gotcha lmao, try harder
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).
at least Xenoblade has wide-open fields with no loading, a shit-ton of creatures on screen, physically based rendering, and real-time lighting

pokemon has...a global light source and shadows. this is very much a 3DS game enhanced for the Switch. they are not comparable in any way
 

Deleted member 32018

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That's a pretty sad gotcha lmao, try harder

Not really, I love XB2 but it's IQ in handheld is poor. Saying this game or Gen 8 should be 1080p60 and if they aren't then the devs suck when you enjoy other games that are no where near that is kinda having double standards imo.

at least Xenoblade has wide-open fields with no loading, a shit-ton of creatures on screen, physically based rendering, and real-time lighting

pokemon has...a global light source and shadows. this is very much a 3DS game enhanced for the Switch. they are not comparable in any way

The user I was quoting was talking about the Gen 8 game that we haven't even seen yet and said that it has to be 1080p60 or the devs suck.
 

Omegamon

Alt Account
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Oct 27, 2017
1,884
Not really, I love XB2 but it's IQ in handheld is poor. Saying this game or Gen 8 should be 1080p60 and if they aren't then the devs suck when you enjoy other games that are no where near that is kinda having double standards imo.
The user didn't even mention X2,you did,you searched his post history for a excuse to invalidate his opinion.
 
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J-Skee

The Wise Ones
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Oct 25, 2017
11,114
Don't know if it's been said before, but will you be able to bring Pokemon from Let's Go into the 2019 title?
 

klastical

Member
Oct 29, 2017
4,712
I'm just putting this thought out there into the either. What if all remarks are now "lets go" games while the core franchise continues on.
 

Deleted member 32018

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The user didn't even mention X2,you did,you searched his post story for a excuse to invalidate his opinion.

The user said that the Gen 8 game should be 1080p60 otherwise the devs suck at their jobs. I was just stating that they have double standards because they enjoy games (as do I) that aren't that resolution/framerate.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,300
Just saw this on Serebii:

A new element that has been confirmed is that the Pokémon box is no longer only accessible through the PC at Pokémon Centers, but rather you can check the Pokémon and make switches from anywhere through your Bag.

Didn't see it before and it seems pretty damn useful as QoL update. It's basically a portable Box! I just hope it's disabled in some instances such as when you enter the Pokémon League to fight the Elite 4.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,238
You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).
Lol thats fucking cute.
The IQ and framerate in xenoblade makes sense for the game it is, its pushing its console for its open areas with tons of details and monsters roaming, the iq in this pokemon trailer doesnt, if you dont fucking understand that, then I dont know what to tell you (and I can see you have zero understanding about how games and its limitations work by citing a WWE game of all things? what type of shitty comparison is that lol). Also what the fuck means im a xenoblade 2 fan, you dont like it? good for you, and you are a fucking FFXV fan because of the avatar but that does not have to do with anything in this conversation (and no, the IQ and framerate thing was fucking stupid to bring here as Ive already said), so im not doing childish thing like go looking into someones history or smirking at their avatar and lowering someones opinion because they talk or carry something i dont like.

And yes, I dont know how much budget they have, but i know the game sells millions upon millions and if a lot of the budget is not going into the dev team to create better games, and instead goes into the higher guys pockets and marketing, then you are proving my fucking point.

And get the fuck out of here with the roleplaying shit. You were wrong about me not being a developer, search my name better next time instead of doing a shitty search through my post history, and im not going to say my real name here openly, but just trying to find my username will probably take you to my real one.

And im not talking about this anymore with you here, because were Ive worked is completely off topic in this thread. If you want to carry with this shitty conversation you can send me a PM.

The user said that the Gen 8 game should be 1080p60 otherwise the devs suck at their jobs. I was just stating that they have double standards because they enjoy games (as do I) that aren't that resolution/framerate.
I didnt say that though, I say lets go series should be 1080p and 60fps without dips because of how those games, that i know how they look thanks to a trailer, are.

If Gen8 looks like xenoblade 2, not only i will be happy as fuck, but will not mind if the game dips below 720p and 30fps.
Learn to fucking read.

I only did so to see if they were a game developer :)
And you didnt find anythign in this forum. congrats.
While would I talk about it randomly in this forum and you thought you were going to find something in my post history. Are you a 13 year old or what?
 

GhostTrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,321
You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).


Except Xenoblade 2 is an RPG from this generation unlike Pokémon Let's Go who can't even be up to par with PS2 titles in term of constructions and details. Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu is an RPG where a city is about 3-4 houses, a Pokémon Center and a Pokémon shop.
Compared to how much Pokémon sell, compared to how big the brand is, the developper effort is pitiful.



Lol thats fucking cute.
The IQ and framerate in xenoblade makes sense for the game it is, its pushing its console for its open areas with tons of details and monsters roaming, the iq in this pokemon trailer doesnt, if you dont fucking understand that, then I dont know what to tell you (and I can see you have zero understanding about how games and its limitations work by citing a WWE game of all things? what type of shitty comparison is that lol). Also what the fuck means im a xenoblade 2 fan, you dont like it? good for you, and you are a fucking FFXV fan because of the avatar but that does not have to do with anything in this conversation (and no, the IQ and framerate thing was fucking stupid to bring here as Ive already said), so im not doing childish thing like go looking into someones history or smirking at their avatar and lowering someones opinion because they talk or carry something i dont like.

And yes, I dont know how much budget they have, but i know the game sells millions upon millions and if a lot of the budget is not going into the dev team to create better games, and instead goes into the higher guys pockets and marketing, then you are proving my fucking point.

And get the fuck out of here with the roleplaying shit. You were wrong about me not being a developer, search my name better next time instead of doing a shitty search through my post history, and im not going to say my real name here openly, but just trying to find my username will probably take you to my real one.

And im not talking about this anymore with you here, because were Ive worked is completely off topic in this thread. If you want to carry with this shitty conversation you can send me a PM.



You don't need to be a dev to say that this:
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Isn't acceptable for a multi million selling J-RPG on a machine that is, in the worst case possible, faster than a PS3 or an Xbox 360 in handheld mode.
If this can't run at 1080p/60fps locked, docked, then they fucked up royally.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
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Except Xenoblade 2 is an RPG from this generation unlike Pokémon Let's Go who can't even be up to par with PS2 titles in term of constructions and details. Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu is an RPG where a city is about 3-4 houses, a Pokémon Center and a Pokémon shop.
Compared to how much Pokémon sell, compared to how big the brand is, the developper effort is pitiful.
This is clearly a stop-gap game until next year's game though. I couldn't understand why they would go back to a grid based system when we saw the leaked Lapras pic, but I can see now it was just to make it faster and not take too many resources away from the next gen games. I doubt they will have towns like Pallet Town there.
 

Deleted member 32018

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Except Xenoblade 2 is an RPG from this generation unlike Pokémon Let's Go who can't even be up to par with PS2 titles in term of constructions and details. Pokémon Let's Go Pikachu is an RPG where a city is about 3-4 houses, a Pokémon Center and a Pokémon shop.
Compared to how much Pokémon sell, compared to how big the brand is, the developper effort is pitiful.

They were specifically talking about Gen 8 and perhaps the XB2 comparison was the wrong way to go about it :)

Anyway yes the graphics for Let's Go are very average and show their 3DS roots completely. I've said that multiple times now and is why looking at the trailer the games will be 1080p60 unless they change anything before launch.
 

SPRidley

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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You don't need to be a dev to say that this:
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Isn't acceptable for a multi million selling J-RPG on a machine that is, in the worst case possible, faster than a PS3 or an Xbox 360 in handheld mode.
If this can't run at 1080p/60fps locked, docked, then they fucked up royally.

Yeah i know, and would have never brought it into the table if he didnt ask. He thought he was being intellingent with that qestion and fucked up.

They were specifically talking about Gen 8 and perhaps the XB2 comparison was the wrong way to go about it :)

Anyway yes the graphics for Let's Go are very average and show their 3DS roots completely. I've said that multiple times now and is why looking at the trailer the games will be 1080p60 unless they change anything before launch.

No i didnt, fucking read.
I was talking about the lets go series and if the future gen 8 looks like sun and moon in HD (hypothetically talking, becuase we dont know right now how it will look, while I also said, when you brought xenoblade 2 up, that i would be more than fine with dips below 720p and 30fps on a pokemon game that looked like xeno2).
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is clearly a stop-gap game until next year's game though. I couldn't understand why they would go back to a grid based system when we saw the leaked Lapras pic, but I can see now it was just to make it faster and not take too many resources away from the next gen games. I doubt they will have towns like Pallet Town there.

Stop gap or not, this is painfully bad looking in every term. Art, visuals, level design.


They were specifically talking about Gen 8 and perhaps the XB2 comparison was the wrong way to go about it :)

Anyway yes the graphics for Let's Go are very average and show their 3DS roots completely. I've said that multiple times now and is why looking at the trailer the games will be 1080p60 unless they change anything before launch.

No. Tales of titles are very average looking. Atelier titles are average looking. This is average looking by 3DS or smartphone standards. Monster Hunter Stories was a 3DS game for exemple.
Also, as for the poster, they were questionning Game Freak's abilities as a developper which is legitimate since they've been struggling a lot these days.
 

Revven

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think the game looks good visually. I don't understand what people want from a Pokemon game visually besides it not being cel-shaded and looking more like Battle Revolution?
 

Anastasis

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have two boys, aged 5 and 7, who love their Pokemon cards and played a little bit of Pokken on the Switch. I can't wait for them to experience their first Pokemon game as a remastered original Pokemon game. Two player mode will also help alleviate a LOT of fights.
 

Brewster123

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Oct 25, 2017
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The user said that the Gen 8 game should be 1080p60 otherwise the devs suck at their jobs. I was just stating that they have double standards because they enjoy games (as do I) that aren't that resolution/framerate.
Pokemon is the single most profitable media franchise of all-time (It even beats Star Wars despite Star Wars having a 20 year head start). Xenoblade is relatively niche franchise that has only just started to break out beyond its niche with Xenoblade 2. The best selling Pokemon game is 59.52 Million (Red/Green), and the most recent Pokemon game (Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon) sold 1.98 million despite being limited to an aging system. Meanwhile, the best selling Xenoblade game (Xenoblade 2) has barely broken 1 million, and Xenoblade X only sold 0.84 million worldwide.

To say that it is hypocritical to enjoy Xenoblade 2 while requesting better graphics from Pokemon is complete ignorance. Pokemon's success and by extension budget is orders of magnitude greater than Xenoblade 2's. People want better graphics from Pokemon games because they know the series has the budget and success to easily pull it off. In contrast, Xenoblade 2 doesn't have nearly as much potential in terms of brand notoriety and budget, hence the lower expectations. Of course, this is also ignoring Xenoblade 2's technical challenges such as rendering such a vast world. This is also ignoring how Xenoblade 2's graphics were largely developed via outsourcing, since atleast half of Monolith Soft was busy working on Breath of the Wild.

TL;DR: Due to a wide variety of factors, the graphical expectations between Xenoblade 2 and the Pokemon Series are vastly different, and therefore, it is not hypocritical to be satisifed with the former and be unsatisfied with the later. In fact, I'd argue the differences between the two franchises are so great that this comparison isn't even really worth making.
 

Ginosaurio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
354
Santiago, Chile
Watching the trailer again and by the last scene of Pikachu and Eevee running and then the camera moving towards the sky and the weird formation of a big single cloud makes me wonder if it could be a hint of the new Pokémon.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
The fact you can't recognize them is the exciting part though... the wonder of finding new Pokémon you haven't seen before is one of the best parts. I don't see how it gets "worse", they always make a smaller selection of Pokémon in each game for that very reason.

Apparently people like familiarity.
 

Raiden

Member
Nov 6, 2017
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You have no idea how much of a budget Game Freak have to make this game.

I can roleplay being a developer too :)

Oh I got exactly want I wanted looking at your post history. You are a big fan of Xenoblade 2 which has probably the worst IQ and framerate of any game on the system (minus WWE).
I just want to point out that going through someone his post history is both creepy and sad.

Besides that, i also think you're wrong.
 

Deleted member 32018

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Pokemon is the single most profitable media franchise of all-time (It even beats Star Wars despite Star Wars having a 20 year head start). Xenoblade is relatively niche franchise that has only just started to break out beyond its niche with Xenoblade 2. The best selling Pokemon game is 59.52 Million (Red/Green), and the most recent Pokemon game (Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon) sold 1.98 million despite being limited to an aging system. Meanwhile, the best selling Xenoblade game (Xenoblade 2) has barely broken 1 million, and Xenoblade X only sold 0.84 million worldwide.

To say that it is hypocritical to enjoy Xenoblade 2 while requesting better graphics from Pokemon is complete ignorance. Pokemon's success and by extension budget is orders of magnitude greater than Xenoblade 2's. People want better graphics from Pokemon games because they know the series has the budget and success to easily pull it off. In contrast, Xenoblade 2 doesn't have nearly as much potential in terms of brand notoriety and budget, hence the lower expectations. Of course, this is also ignoring Xenoblade 2's technical challenges such as rendering such a vast world. This is also ignoring how Xenoblade 2's graphics were largely developed via outsourcing, since atleast half of Monolith Soft was busy working on Breath of the Wild.

TL;DR: Due to a wide variety of factors, the graphical expectations between Xenoblade 2 and the Pokemon Series are vastly different, and therefore, it is not hypocritical to be satisifed with the former and be unsatisfied with the later. In fact, I'd argue the differences between the two franchises are so great that this comparison isn't even really worth making.

Before Pokemon Go, TPC were barely making any profit. Also the link is about "highest-grossing" not highest profit. Revenue is also split between 3 companies and I have already said that XB2 was probably a bad example, my apologies.
 

SPRidley

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Oct 25, 2017
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The graphics dont look good, the artsyle looks pleasant, I dont know how is that hard to undertand with people that have a poblem. It looks incredibly low budget.
And i dont mind this type of artsyle for a future game IF they ditch the cuadricular look and SD architecture of everything. I LOVE cartoon artsyles but you can do A LOT more with it.

This is a game from a small indie studio that is trying to do the exact same thing gamefreak is doing with this game, and looks on par with the same budget even if it clearly costed a lot less as they are a much smaller team. Shadows are better, textures are not blurry, the video footage has good antialising, it has beaituful effect in the background, etc...
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