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Pokémon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu (Switch) announced; coming Nov 16th 2018
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pretty easy when you don't really advertise that you hired so many people. they have job postings in more places than just their website (that's how we knew they were hiring for Vita/Wii U-level modelers)
Red doesn't have a espeon since gen 2 sadly.
lapras is so redundant in his team.
I hate how Game Freak saddle Red with all 3 starter Pokémon with Pikachu and Laprass. Red should be rolling with a Mewtwo and maybe a Charizard with a variety team that's not filled with starters and a unevolves Pokémon.
Literally the best thing about Pokemon clones ( well aside from being better JRPGs) is that you know your hard work leveling up your partners isn't wasted on some dimm witted shit-muncher because it's not born as an Ubermensch.
I'm for streamlining the shit out of that hidden nonsense.
I'm for streamlining the shit out of that hidden nonsense.
Ouch, now you made me imagine what wonders Monolith could make with a 300+ team, especially since they apparently made XB2 for the lost part with 40 people.
In 2015 they absorbed mobile company "Koa Games" so that could have helped but, according to their own website (https://www.gamefreak.co.jp/company/about.html), they had 143 as of April 2018
However, I believe this is an error on Eurogamer's part. They probably said 300 are working on the game. That'd include staff at Nintendo who help with netcode etc., and staff at Creatures Inc. who do the modelling not to mention the localisers at Nintendo and The Pokémon Company International.
AC Unity had 10 studios working on it with likely thousands of developers, translaters etc. Monolith are very good at what they do for their size and I guess it depends how many of those 300 are working on Gen8 which is still apparently handheld focused. At the very least it seems like they're bigger than they used to be is all we know.
edit: or its just innacurate as Joe is saying :S
edit2: there are hundreds of people listed in the credits for Sun and Moon more than their employee count, so its clearly more people than Game Freaks own employment working on these games
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the former Koa staff could be working on Quest, as that would definitely be in their wheelhouse.
Hey, thanks for noticing my post! I'm more of a lurker usually so I was a bit disappointed when nobody responded to it despite the time I put into it, I guess since I don't have any way to check special attacks most people dismissed that part but Pikachu's HP to me confirm that IV's, EV's and natures are probably unchanged.
And yeah, it's really weird the way they're restricting it; I've mentioned it before but the way Masuda answered "generally" and "for now" when referring to only 151 Pokemon makes me think they mean obtainable in game, and the postgame might let us import from bank or something, not that I'm getting my hopes up, it's gamefreak after all.
Actually while hunting for Game Freak stuff, I found three mobile/Switch games they've worked on
http://legion.sorairo.jp/
This one specifically has their copyright at the bottom
http://www.althi.co.jp/worldneverland/elnea/
http://kamen.machatin.jp/
Are two more listed on their site that they must have helped with
http://legion.sorairo.jp/
This one specifically has their copyright at the bottom
http://www.althi.co.jp/worldneverland/elnea/
http://kamen.machatin.jp/
Are two more listed on their site that they must have helped with
The eurogamer interview is great. It confirms that Gamefreak wants Lets Go and the Core series to be two different things, which is mire than perfect. People will remember I have suggested two branches going forward for the series, but I never expected that to come to fruition. Then he mentions other Go influences he can't talk about, which I can only assume means Raid like Legendary battles. This would be kickass, HP Heavy legendaries beforenyou can even start capturing them would be more RPG like then ever, and I hope he was talking about that. This interview in general shows that despite its flaws, they know what the hell they are doing. And 300+ employess means that Lets Go and Core can easilt coexists.
I'm not just talking about the battle system and stat system. Those are simple to understand. I'm more talking about the level of party customization, prediction metagame and strategy in general. High level Pokemon feels a lot like chess. You have to plan several turns ahead. There are dedicated calculators to see how your Pokemon performs and what you need to for example turn 3HKOs to 2HKOs and vice versa, with several different EV spreads and held items. And you can do this with the hundreds of Pokemon available.
Yes, a million other games more complex than high level Pokemon is hyperbole.
Those just read like lame excuses to exclude content to me.
im trying to be reasonable with you despite cursing in all caps. The content isn't excluded by definition when there's no precedent for the Lets Go games being the first of their kind.
If the followup to sun and moon next year functions similarly then there would be reason to be upset.
Eh? Welcome to the world of online competitive play period. The same can be said of Star Craft II league which I think steamrolls Pokémon when it comes to thinking ahead because not only do you need to work out your build you have to adapt to what your opponent is doing on the fly while fending off your opponents attacks and applying pressure on your opponents supply chain to slow him down so that you can get a leg up on him. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean there aren't more complicated MULTIPLAYER games out there.
Millions was a exaggeration of whoever said it originally but saying they're a lot more complicated Meta games out there then Pokémon is not Hyperbole.
I mean do you want to spend a few days counting all the MMO's and Meta games out there with me that can be considered more complicated then Pokémon? Does it matter in the end? Are you so focus of Hyperbole that you ignore everything else I've said. Exaggeration/Hyperbole, is that all you care about in my response?
I wasn't even the one that said it and I've said (or just a lot more) but I feel like you care about one thing while I'm talking about another.
I'm sorry for cursing in all caps. Can you move on now?
Lmao @ the bolded. So because there's no precedence means they get to not include (since you wanna get into semantics, lol) content as arbitrarily as they want? Miss me with that EXCUSE.
The only thing close to a precedence here are the other remakes, which actually went the reasonable route to include cross-gen evos/pre-evos (and even Megas) after the mess that FR/LG caused in that regard. And here they are doing the same thing all over again.
They have given us no good reason to exclude Pokemon such as Steelix, Slowking, Kingdra, Scizor etc. Even more so because the game that actually inspired these new series has those Pokemon in it.
That is not a negligible thing and I have a right to be upset about it.
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what are you talking about rights for? if the game isn't appealing to you it might do you some good to move on instead of typing huge rants because its readily apparent that the target audience is a bit different to usual.
And? You just specified the entire usage of it in the entire metagame, and it's for dumb shit like 'less confuse damage'. As opposed to EVs that literally let you create an entire build for every mon out there.
It's one of the most worthless mechanics I've ever seen. If the best example you can find of its usefulness is some random niche mechanic like Trick Room or stuff like confusion which people barely ever use in competitive outside of troll teams, you have a real problem.
Only your starter can wear clothes (no random Eevee or Pika can afaik), and those can't evolve.
You've made the case for 0 IV in Atk and Spd. Every other stat has no reason to not be 31 just for the sake of it. It isn't a case of "less options" when 30 of those 32 randomly generated "option" serve no purpose that the other two don't do better.
The bank thing is a BS excuse. They let you transfer from RBGYGSC to Gen VI and VII. No doubt they can redo IVs again.
The only other reason for variable IVs is Hidden Power, which can easily be handled differently to be more transparent and easily manipulated.
Nobody is arguing for removing breeding or EVs. I simply said I could see why it would be excluded, but i didn't say i agreed with it and actually would prefer it's inclusion.
Like I said, they did it once, they can do it again.
A vague "Hey, that's pretty good!" doesn't at all solve the problem. People have this same issue with Happiness in that you are given vague remarks rather than being told exactly where you lie numerically. The difference between happiness and IVs is that happiness is super simple to understand and manipulate (do good things to raise, do bad things to lower), while IVs are completely random and have no methods of manipulation other than completely dumping the Pokémon for a better one. New methods have been added to alleviate this, but it's still far more complex than it has to be.
That excuse doesn't cut it. The point of Pokémon is becoming a good trainer and being able to raise the strongest Pokémon through bonding and compassion, thus the argument for EVs. If you catch a Geodude with it's highest IV being 24 in SAtk, then later find one with 25+ in HP, Atk, Def, SDef, and Spd, then there's almost no reason to choose the former over the latter.
Not at all, they could just keep the data there and not use if for anything.
Given transferring between gens is normally one way they could even remove it without issues.
You're mistaking effort for time. It takes a lot of time to breed and breed and breed until some crasy random happenstance delivers the IVs you wanted. It's not effort or skill, just stupid, time consuming, luck.
And levelling to 100.
Again, time consuming for no reason.
I love your optimism.
But clearly, no, some people don't want a streamlined process at all. Just because they enjoy breeding mindlessly, they selfishly don't want the competitive game to be able to grow by becoming more accessible.
They have given you a reason though. This game is made for newcomers and lapsed players - in particular those who was part of the Pokemon Go craze.
Cutting down on the number of Pokemon's certainly makes the game more approachable, I don't think this is hard to grasp. Should they have just included evolutions of the 150? I don't know, maybe - but the line have to be drawn somewhere. Creating content that is appealing to new or lapsed players are important for any franchise - Game Freak seems to think this is the best way to go (and I agree).
And no, giving people access to all other Pokemon's in late-game will not help. How will newcomers feel if they want to participate in online battles only to find that there are 600 pokemons available trough old games they don't own? It would certainly deter me from jumping into a new franchise if that was the case.
And you can be upset about anything you like, but when GF clearly stated that you will get your preferred game too, I do think you are being a bit unreasonable.
I'm starting to wonder if the defense for GF's gutting of features and content would have been as strong if this wasn't yet another nostalgia romp.
How does capturing work with buttons? I really hated that shitty minigame you had to do in Go.
How does capturing work with buttons? I really hated that shitty minigame you had to do in Go.
"Bottle caps solved IVs!"
rofl, if the process of grinding actual good caps and leveling all the way to fuckin 100 is your "solution", it's easy to tell how completely garbage it was before, because this is still a gigantic pointless waste of time.
How about I just be able to buy some cheap bottle caps that raise my IVs at any level? Or would that reduce the """"skill"""" required in grinding for hours?
Pokemon fans really are the worst in their franchise defending.
rofl, if the process of grinding actual good caps and leveling all the way to fuckin 100 is your "solution", it's easy to tell how completely garbage it was before, because this is still a gigantic pointless waste of time.
How about I just be able to buy some cheap bottle caps that raise my IVs at any level? Or would that reduce the """"skill"""" required in grinding for hours?
Pokemon fans really are the worst in their franchise defending.
Playing a game is time consuming. News at 10. I said in later post that Hyper Training can and should be improved upon to include getting rid of the level 100 requirement and include things like reducing a IV to zero or even setting them at any value if you have the proper currency.
I even stated that the current Bottle Cap system is a pain sometimes because Bottle Caps should be easier to get and more plentiful.
This whole respect my time argument doesn't work with me. You can take any number of Pokémon you have in your PC online just fine and even win with them but if you want to breed and use better stat Pokémon you need to play the game and train/breed the Pokémon you want. I was taking 3IV Pokémon online and battling and winning just fine before I decided to get serious about it and breed myself better stat Pokémon.
Now don't get me wrong. That process can be improved. Hyper Training is a step in the right direction and Game Freak just needs to expand and improve on it.
I will never understand how more Pokémon is this horrifying thing that's impossible for people to wrap their head around.
If that's the case then why are they adding more Gens to Go?
Second even if I were to believe that why not make the game a mix of all Gens instead? That way you could actually have something resembling type balance?
Or are people simply so reliant on nostalgia that anything post Gen 1 disgusts them. In which case there's no way their actually going to care about the 2019 title.
So again I question how this game is going to bridge anything.
Gens 6 and 7 already did this by only allowing pokemon that were caught in Kalos and Alola be allowed for online for Battle Spot tournaments.
See the + symbol underneath Ninetales? That indicates it was caught in Alola. you needed that symbol for standard tournaments.
Gen 6 already had a similar system, with Kalos pokemon having that Pentagon symbol.
You didn't have to worry about facing pokemon from other generations, to put it in Hearthstone terms, they had a "Standard" and a "Wild" system already in play with this. So people can play what they want, either the smaller current pool in standard so there's less to learn, or the wild pool where literally anything goes.
Let's Go decided to arbitrarily remove Wild.
Was the Eurogamer article discussed here or in another thread?
Interesting that they're a 300 employee studio now, that seems pretty big.
Bummer that they don't try anything too ambitious due to fear of losing their audience
Interesting that they're a 300 employee studio now, that seems pretty big.
Bummer that they don't try anything too ambitious due to fear of losing their audience
I've not played a Pokemon since Gold and Silver.
I was tempted to pick up Sun and Moon but was worried I'd missed too much over the years and would find all the new features etc a bit confusing.
I'll be picking up Let's go Pikachu to ease me back into the series and then get back in fully with the 2019 game. And this is coming from someone who plays games and posts on a forum like this.
When you play the games all the time and play each one you pick up the new stuff bit by bit and grow your skills and knowledge with the evolution of the series. When you don't play for 15 years you don't have that advantage and a game like Let's Go gives you that first step back.
Looking forward to it.
You're missing my point, so I'm just gonna stop arguing. No hard feelings!
That is your opinion and I respect it, but I disagree. Just as you feel I'm being unreasonable, I feel like GameFreak are being unreasonable too by not adding content that is naturally attached to the content already in these games just because it's easier to market it that way.
Lapsed fans aren't just the ones that started in Gen 1 and then stopped playing all the other games after either. And I'm not sure why some just assume all of those people naturally hate the Pokemon introduced after Gen 1 and would be offended by their inclusion here.
I don't want them to make more Pokemon available in the post-game and that is not what I was originally arguing about.
I am disappointed in GameFreak because to me they should be embracing their creations and trying to get those lapsed fans on board with them, not go in the completely opposite direction and act like they don't exist. I am aware not everyone will feel the same and that's okay, I just don't see a good argument for that.
I'm speaking more on the amount of Pokémon more then gameplay systems but fair enough.
I fully admit I'm largely bitter over all my favorite Pokémon being taken out.
I like IVs as a concept but ever since the knowledge of them became public their reason to exist lore-wise was lost. Rather than removing them altogether, I'd prefer if they refined them to make them a bit more streamlined and actually matter.
Instead of going from 0 to 31, they could go from 1 to 5 or even just 1-3 for each stat but have them impact other stuff than just Hidden Power so we can actually have a reason to choose a Low or Average IV a given stat. Could even just be a cosmetic difference like a simplified version of Spinda's patterns.
Natures and EVs are ok in my book. The idea that someone said of choosing EVs on level up to max out at 50 would actually be much slower than current methods. Wouldn't oppose being able to change nature of a Pokemon tho there are ways to basically choose the nature of any given Pokemon already.
Instead of going from 0 to 31, they could go from 1 to 5 or even just 1-3 for each stat but have them impact other stuff than just Hidden Power so we can actually have a reason to choose a Low or Average IV a given stat. Could even just be a cosmetic difference like a simplified version of Spinda's patterns.
Natures and EVs are ok in my book. The idea that someone said of choosing EVs on level up to max out at 50 would actually be much slower than current methods. Wouldn't oppose being able to change nature of a Pokemon tho there are ways to basically choose the nature of any given Pokemon already.
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One could argue they ambitious as they are trying to chase a market that they don't know for certain will show up, at the cost of annoying a lot of their older fanbase passing this title and waiting for the games with all their favourite 'mons in it.
When this bare level of difference is already getting people up in arms like GF just killed their favourite franchise, despite another same game being offered for next year, yeah I can see why they have reluctance to change.
Can't change much with a fanbase this rabid.
This is just the nature of every franchise. As they progress, they are dependent on creating new content to keep things fresh - but the backside of that coin is adding complexity to games that might scare away new players.
This happens to all franchises. That's why reboots happens from time to time.
Pokemon is very unique in this aspect too.
Nobody is expecting Final Fantasy to include old characters or storylines to the new games. They function as a fresh start every time - this makes it easier to jump in.
Pokemon have needed this soft reset for a long time now, as the franchise has added new types, moves, Pokemons, and gameplay concepts - they have made the entry point hard for new people. Similar problems can be found in evolving games like MMO's and MOBA's.
In any case, as they are still making content for you hardcore players, I have real problems with understanding this outrage. Don't play it, its fine.
That is why Game Freak have created (kind of) a monster with this endless focus on always letting the games be backwards compatible. The fans are now expecting the new games to include everything that the old games added. You don't really see this in other RPG's. Most other RPG's starts fresh with each sequel (or they have very loose connections that aren't vital to enjoying a particular game in the series).
There is definitely a upside to including all Pokemons too, don't get me wrong - its a great way of pleasing your existing fanbase. But as I have tried to argue here - it does have some downsides too.
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I touched on this a little earlier in this thread. People can be intimidated or overwhelmed by to much content. You may not have that problem, but a lot of people do and won't jump into certain franchises because of it. You can say it's nostalgia, but it's more so familiarity with lapsed people.
Street fighter 4 did just that but having the vanilla roster the original 16 plus 4 newcomers. And the game did well. Monster Hunter World cut the monsters of the game by 75% when compared to the last one released, and look at it's sales.
I think some of it is fear that they'll try this in the mainlines.
Like that's why I was nervous when the "151 only" rumor first cropped up.
Because I don't want to lose all my favorite Pokémon to sate someone else's nostalgia.
Probably just paranoia but it's still always in the back of my head.
