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Dusk Golem

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Oct 25, 2017
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Making the review thread right now, for the record as it strangely doesn't exist yet.
 

midfalutin

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Rock Paper Shotgun review went into a little more detail on one really big sticking point I had with Vampyr that I didn't have the space to get to in my word count: the dialogue summaries on the conversation wheel are BAD at giving an accurate idea of what you're about to say/do.

In Vampyr, all your conversations, all your dealings with the petty concerns of mortals, all your hours spent scouring an ever-twilight and labyrinthine London and engaging in tricky fights that play out a little like a baby Bloodborne come down to a conversational lottery at the end of each 'act.' Choose unluckily and you'll incite almost comically melodramatic outcomes not remotely implied by the vague dialogue choices offered. The main plot does at least march on, broadly keeping this carnage off to one side of it, but it's nonetheless a gut-punch to, say, instantly lose major NPCs.

Maybe Vampyr consciously embraces the butterfly effect here, despite spelling most everything else out at great length, or maybe its writing needs another pass. Certainly, smaller things have been lost in translation. While the dialogue as a whole is solid (if overly dour), the subtitles are gently peppered with errors, the occasional line sounds mangled, and too often an excess of bone-dry exposition takes precedence over personality.
 

misho8723

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Jan 7, 2018
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Slovakia
Well, many great and my favorite games don't have the highest ratings on Metacritics, but I still love them
For example - Call of Cthulhu :Dark Corners of the Earth (76 MC)
Vampire : Bloodlines (80 MC)
Cryostasis (69 MC)
Metro 2033 Xbox360 (77 MC)
Singularity (76 MC)
Condemned Criminal Origins (78 MC)

So if Vampyr is going to end being in the 70' MC score range, it's a still great score in my opinion
 

Doodlebug

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Oct 25, 2017
381
I'm still so unsure about picking this up. I love vampires, especially aristocratic types a la Castlevania or Anne Rice. Even classic types from the Hammer films or their 80s reincarnations, to the Gary Oldman version in Bram Stoker's Dracula.

I'm hesitant on the main character. He's not my favorite looking vampire by any means. For those who have played it - does he serve as an intruiging character? Did you come away with more than just him looking like a bearded avatar? Definitely not my first choice in character design and finding it challenging to sink my teeth into him.

The world design looks okay. Like if Sweeney Todd and Bloodborne had a baby but Thief had a go once and you're not sure who the dad is. How big is this world? Is it segmented for story purposes and is there any distinct variety?

I realize I'll be talking to people a lot. Is this interesting or do you find yourself mashing through it to only to get to the combat sections and then find yourself mashing through that?

I'm genuinely curious as to the reward here. The gameplay loop. What is it? What does it look like?

I'm kind of baffled because I'm still trying to figure out what this game is trying to do, even after reading about it here. I'd love to get engrossed in a story driven vampire game but have yet to be won over by this.
 

MrH

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
3,995
On my scale 7 is a good game worth playing. Hell, I'm currently playing and loving State of Decay 2 which has settled at 69.
 

Tesser

Writer/Critic at Hardcore Gamer
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Oct 28, 2017
891
The Rock Paper Shotgun review went into a little more detail on one really big sticking point I had with Vampyr that I didn't have the space to get to in my word count: the dialogue summaries on the conversation wheel are BAD at giving an accurate idea of what you're about to say/do.

I can somewhat agree with that sentiment and it's something I forgot to include in my own review. The game does suffer from, what I call, "the Mass Effect" problem in that - like you say - your actual responses don't always give a true reflection of the choices presented and can in fact have you speak in a tone that seems rather conflicted with the wording. But in the end, while it can be a tad annoying at points, it wasn't really something I'd deduct points over or consider a "major" criticism of the game. A momentary annoyance for me, but nothing more.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Nice review by ACG, I'm definitely gonna get this eventually. Just not now while I'm in the middle of other games.

Do we know what kind of enhancements the X and Pro get in this game? Also, the IGN review speaks of framerate dips and weird loading screens sometimes appearing out of nowhere. Hope they patch that out.
 

DarkFlame92

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Nov 10, 2017
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ACG gave it a glowing review. Possibly another hidden gem that will go underapreciated,because it was not pushed by the big publishers
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, many great and my favorite games don't have the highest ratings on Metacritics, but I still love them
For example - Call of Cthulhu :Dark Corners of the Earth (76 MC)
Vampire : Bloodlines (80 MC)
Cryostasis (69 MC)
Metro 2033 Xbox360 (77 MC)
Singularity (76 MC)
Condemned Criminal Origins (78 MC)

So if Vampyr is going to end being in the 70' MC score range, it's a still great score in my opinion
A ~70 MC is relatively common indicator of a divisive game that will really appeal to some while the flaws will feel more notable or game just doesnt click for others. Call of Cthulhu, Bloodlines, Metro, Singularity, Condemned all fit that mood well, and Vampyr sounds like it does too
 

Karak

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,088
Nice review by ACG, I'm definitely gonna get this eventually. Just not now while I'm in the middle of other games.

Do we know what kind of enhancements the X and Pro get in this game? Also, the IGN review speaks of framerate dips and weird loading screens sometimes appearing out of nowhere. Hope they patch that out.
Hmmm. No loading screens at all out of nowwhere for me. I mean if they mean like while running down a street or something.

FPS issues DID happen but the patch really fixed them. Not sure if IGN played it with that. X and Pro both have a very good temporal Anti Aliasing.
 

midfalutin

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can somewhat agree with that sentiment and it's something I forgot to include in my own review. The game does suffer from, what I call, "the Mass Effect" problem in that - like you say - your actual responses don't always give a true reflection of the choices presented and can in fact have you speak in a tone that seems rather conflicted with the wording. But in the end, while it can be a tad annoying at points, it wasn't really something I'd deduct points over or consider a "major" criticism of the game. A momentary annoyance for me, but nothing more.

I didn't have too much of an issue with it for regular dialogue choices (which is kinda down to how borderline inconsequential a lot of those seem) but the fact that it happened with two big end-of-chapter story decisions for me was a real bummer.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Damn, reviews are devicive but it seems most of the lower scores are because of technical issues and that's never been a huge problem for me. I'm in.

It's a shame that the main character seems to kind of suck. Aha
 

Tesser

Writer/Critic at Hardcore Gamer
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Oct 28, 2017
891
I didn't have too much of an issue with it for regular dialogue choices (which is kinda down to how borderline inconsequential a lot of those seem) but the fact that it happened with two big end-of-chapter story decisions for me was a real bummer.

Care to elaborate and/or state which pivotal choices they were. If you don't want to spoil in this thread just PM me, I'm curious.
 

Mifec

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm genuinely curious as to the reward here. The gameplay loop. What is it? What does it look like?
So you wake up as a vampire, you do something you regret and then set out to find what happened to you.

You are thrust into a world with 60 unique npcs over 4 districts. All the NPCs are tied to another or more than one. You get to learn about them by talking to them, maybe doing some sidequests for them, curing them of illness and so on. Here's the kicker, they're how you earn XP other than doing the main story, if someone is healed if you know everything about them then by "embracing them" you get the most XP or as they call it EP(evolution points) after which you can go rest and get skills/health and stamina upgrades. That's the gameplay loop, investigate around while you wrestled with eating people to get stronger.
 
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More_Badass

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I want to get this game, but man i don't want to be turned off by it because of the reviews.
If you like the idea of role-playing as a vampire - not like Bloodlines roleplaying but roleplaying the classic vampiric struggle of if you kill, who do you kill, ruthless predator or supernatural vigilante or self-hating creature of the night who refuses to feed and so on- it sounds like this is something you'd want to check out
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Hmmm. No loading screens at all out of nowwhere for me. I mean if they mean like while running down a street or something.

FPS issues DID happen but the patch really fixed them. Not sure if IGN played it with that. X and Pro both have a very good temporal Anti Aliasing.

Very good to hear, because boy do I hate bad anti aliasing ,haha. If you had to guess 900p, 1080p or higher on X? The info so far on the enhancements is very unclear.
 

Doodlebug

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Oct 25, 2017
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So you wake up as a vampire, you do something you regret and then set out to find what happened to you.

You are thrust into a world with 60 unique npcs over 4 districts. All the NPCs are tied to another or more than one. You get to learn about them by talking to them, maybe doing some sidequests for them, curing them of illness and so on. Here's the kicker, they're how you earn XP other than doing the main story, if someone is healed if you know everything about them then by "embracing them" you get the most XP or as they call it EP(evolution points) after which you can go rest and get skills/health and stamina upgrades. That's the gameplay loop, investigate around while you wrestled with eating people to get stronger.

Thank you for taking the time to respond!
 

Aniki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Remember Me didn't score well and i loved it. Now that doesn't mean i will enjoy Vampyr as well, but seeing that Remember Me was criticized a lot for it's combat system, which i ended up really enjoying. Vampyr seems to get a lot of flak for its combat system as well. I think the chances are rather high that i will enjoy Vampyr's combat system. It won't be mind blowing but it will be interesting enough to keep me entertained. I'm pretty positive from everything i've heard.
 

LorentzFactor

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Oct 25, 2017
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I like that you can follow trails without relying on the "vampire/witcher/batman sense", meaning the bloodstains are actually there.
 
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Can you use the stealth or leaping skills to avoid combat?

Also in the earlier dev stream, there was a moment where Jonathan sees a group of hunters ahead but they hadn't noticed him yet, so he could have gotten away before being seen. Has any players encountered moments like that or are they very rare?
 

Karak

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,088
Can you use the stealth or leaping skills to avoid combat?

Also in the earlier dev stream, there was a moment where Jonathan sees a group of hunters ahead but they hadn't noticed him yet, so he could have gotten away before being seen. Has any players encountered moments like that or are they very rare?
Yes you can use a sidestep into the shadows ability. And it can be used to sneak past many. Though each enemy group has a possible countering character like the Undead who can see into the spiritworld or the humans priests who can see through it
 

replicantUK

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bizarre that no confirmation of Pro, or X enhancements are out in the wild yet.

Are both running at 1080, or is there a resolution boost?
 

Karak

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can confirm that the phrase is used.

Slight hint: it's in the last district we unlock, spoken [in tandem I think] by 2 very peculiar npcs.
...That doesn't make sense in that context. Interesting. Why would they say it even?

Edit: Oh shit man. Sorry I got asked about Hella lol. I was like what the hell lol. Though it can still probably show up. Sorry