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Destiny 2: Warmind |OT| Mars Attacks!
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Just tried joining multiple groups on the app and man, nobody could figure it out. We were chatting and everything.
Bingo. I'll take slightly better visuals than D2 with 60fps than whatever D3 is going to be at, with no doubt being 30fps. Game play is fine just being it back to D1 levels.
I've had so many Manana and Antelope drops. I have yet to get an Old Fashioned in the 400+ hours I've played. :(
I should probably start doing this. Been looking for raid/lairs to pop up on the Discord during my days off but it's been slim pickins for weeks.
Maaaannn.
Been grinding quite a few hours the last few days to reset my Valor rank, salivating over those 4 (+)? powerful gear drops reddit told me about. 2+ points of light easy, i'm thinking.
Finally hit it like 30 minutes ago...
Surprise, what a shitshow. Got 3 (not 4) legendaries. Only 2 seemed to be powerful gear (assuming I didn't accidentally dismantle something...). Fucking 2! The other was just 366 (I'm 376). And of course, one of the powerful gear was a helmet that did not raise my light in that slot one iota. The other gave me a couple points in the heavy slot. The grand total was probably less than half a overall point. From like low 376 to mid 376.
Just wow. Kind of a gut punch. Anybody grinding for Valor reset for the loot, dont. Just dont. Just fucking DONT. I can just only shake my head and chuckle.
What a fucking waste of time that was. I woulda been a lot better off trying my hand at SoS for the first time or the Prestige Leviathan with that time.
Been grinding quite a few hours the last few days to reset my Valor rank, salivating over those 4 (+)? powerful gear drops reddit told me about. 2+ points of light easy, i'm thinking.
Finally hit it like 30 minutes ago...
Surprise, what a shitshow. Got 3 (not 4) legendaries. Only 2 seemed to be powerful gear (assuming I didn't accidentally dismantle something...). Fucking 2! The other was just 366 (I'm 376). And of course, one of the powerful gear was a helmet that did not raise my light in that slot one iota. The other gave me a couple points in the heavy slot. The grand total was probably less than half a overall point. From like low 376 to mid 376.
Just wow. Kind of a gut punch. Anybody grinding for Valor reset for the loot, dont. Just dont. Just fucking DONT. I can just only shake my head and chuckle.
What a fucking waste of time that was. I woulda been a lot better off trying my hand at SoS for the first time or the Prestige Leviathan with that time.
Yeah...after reset I'm only doing a few heroic adventures and leaving it at that. If I don't get my catalyst then, I'm just giving up. There's clearly something amiss and something wrong with the game. I wish Bungie would admit that, or better yet, actually test shit properly and not release stuff in their current state.
There really isn't any good explanation as to why, after what is easily 120 or 130 completions, that I still don't have this catalyst. Meanwhile, other players have gotten it on their 10th, 5th and first clears. Considering my odds, and current amount of attempts, it would take me nearly a year to see my catalyst finally drop, if I were to play the heroic adventures as intended instead of farming. That's ridiculous.
Bugged Nightfall drops. Hunters not receiving raid loot. People spending hours, accumulating clears in triple digit values and still not getting what they want...Totally unacceptable.
There really isn't any good explanation as to why, after what is easily 120 or 130 completions, that I still don't have this catalyst. Meanwhile, other players have gotten it on their 10th, 5th and first clears. Considering my odds, and current amount of attempts, it would take me nearly a year to see my catalyst finally drop, if I were to play the heroic adventures as intended instead of farming. That's ridiculous.
Bugged Nightfall drops. Hunters not receiving raid loot. People spending hours, accumulating clears in triple digit values and still not getting what they want...Totally unacceptable.
This is why I thought people arguing towards more grind in Destiny needed to be institutionalized.
For Leviathan, I use: Nameless Midnight, Uriels Gift, and Merciless. With the lone exception being Dogs where I throw on Sins of the Past for cluster bomb massive dog damage until that encounter is over.
The funny thing is I tried to use Polaris Lance in the raid the other day but I was surprised how much it threw everything off for me. Had to switch back to my normal loadout pretty quickly. Not having Merciless for energency yellow bar damage that also cant blow you up, was tough.
Datto's testing showed any 450 RPM AR is pretty close to coldheart/Sweet business for callus damage. At least WAS, not sure with Warmind changes.
But yeah the combo of the long range Midnight, the reliable and strong stream damage of Uriels, and Merciless is just tough to beat IMO. Merciless does a number on bathers and the fire shielded yellow bars on Gauntlet (and to lesser extent Throne room yellow bars too), and unlike a shotgun can also be used for lamp DPS. Again Datto's testing showed pre warmind, Merciless was among the best for Callus damage too. If it matters, Uriels is really easy to hit arrows with in Gauntlet too.
I understand Darci is the new DPS beast, but I tried and I decided Callus just moves around too much and I've just never been a great sniper. I could always revisit but for now Darci on Callus just isn't for me.
I have figured a new possible better DPS on Callus loadout for me might be Coldheart (with Warmind buffs now)+a cluster RL. But I just worry about blowing myself up on the plates so i haven't tried it yet
The funny thing is I tried to use Polaris Lance in the raid the other day but I was surprised how much it threw everything off for me. Had to switch back to my normal loadout pretty quickly. Not having Merciless for energency yellow bar damage that also cant blow you up, was tough.
Datto's testing showed any 450 RPM AR is pretty close to coldheart/Sweet business for callus damage. At least WAS, not sure with Warmind changes.
But yeah the combo of the long range Midnight, the reliable and strong stream damage of Uriels, and Merciless is just tough to beat IMO. Merciless does a number on bathers and the fire shielded yellow bars on Gauntlet (and to lesser extent Throne room yellow bars too), and unlike a shotgun can also be used for lamp DPS. Again Datto's testing showed pre warmind, Merciless was among the best for Callus damage too. If it matters, Uriels is really easy to hit arrows with in Gauntlet too.
I understand Darci is the new DPS beast, but I tried and I decided Callus just moves around too much and I've just never been a great sniper. I could always revisit but for now Darci on Callus just isn't for me.
I have figured a new possible better DPS on Callus loadout for me might be Coldheart (with Warmind buffs now)+a cluster RL. But I just worry about blowing myself up on the plates so i haven't tried it yet
If it was an mmo it would have built on top of the first game instead of throwing all of that content into the fucking garbage.
I guess it just keeps the shittest of rng from mmos but with none of the depth and dedicated servers.
Yeah this, by the end of year 2 will be really telling but right now destiny 2 is all I wanna do.
I play PS4/pc and it's so at first jumping back and forward. D3 really needs to be 60 across the board.
Do certain exotics drop from certain events? Been wanting some actual exotic armor/just different armor for a while now but still only getting guns from the various turn ins I've done. (still new btw, cleared the main story and started Osiris story) At something like 280/90 light.
Apart from story/quest exotics, and what you can buy from Xur, they are RNG.
Do you not get weirdos via LFG? I've used it 4 times for raids, 3 were fine, 1 was a trainwreck.
Someone claiming the MS store put this up and then pulled it.
My point is the games overall setup is simply taken from the mmo formula, the fact they didn't let us continue to build our original chars is just pure idiocy on their part but the overall style of play shares a ton from the mmo genre and isn't far removed from being one itself.
I'm not against grinding or having to earn stuff in game. That's the way it should be. I want it that way. But it should be reasonable.
Yesterday, i talked to another player who had to do Escalation Protocol 136 times in order to get the shotgun. Right after telling me his story, one of his friends managed to get it on his first attempt...
136...136? Again, considering those odds, let's say the poor bastard played EP as intended, once per week per character. That's nearly a YEAR until he'd finally get one. You can't say that's fair.
Admittedly, I'm terrible at math, plus I just happened to wake up in the middle of the night (it's 4 am where I am).
You seem to get my point though. It's such a stupid amount of time, no matter how long it actually takes in real time. Let me earn stuff. Make things questable. Make me fulfill specific requirements. But making things rely purely on such broken RNG, and pretty much nothing else, is so frustrating.
This is compounded by the disparity between players' outcomes. Some getting stuff on their very first clear while others spending DAYS worth of time getting the same thing? Nah... That's bullshit. That's not the grind people asked for. No one wants it that way.
There are people who still don't have any catalysts at all, and we're at the cusp of the fifth week of this DLC. That's crazy to me.
I think we're going to get a new skill tree in each subclass. Having the ability to choose whichever individual skills we want would be nice too.
130 boss kills. ZERO shotgun.
For someone I know.
On the other hand, I've seen 350 PL players get it on their first wave 7 carry. People literally join at the boss and walk away with the shotgun on their first kill.
A grind is one thing, but this is just borderline sadist RNG.
For someone I know.
On the other hand, I've seen 350 PL players get it on their first wave 7 carry. People literally join at the boss and walk away with the shotgun on their first kill.
A grind is one thing, but this is just borderline sadist RNG.
Escalation Protocol wave 7 boss drop. It has a very low drop chance and is the most powerful weapon in the game.
RE RNG: It definitely needs to be more controlled. Sure, some will get lucky (there is a little magic to that), but if you put your time in then that reward should be accessible.
I got to the boss yesterday with just randoms in ep, from a public event I triggered the EP and we got to 7 in no time but they didn't understand the exploding thralls healing the boss plus people where specced all wrong. I was using solar titan but no was using a tractor cannon so I had to use both. I was impressed that with no communication we got to boss.
Once people get to 385 I think EP is going to be a breeze.
Once people get to 385 I think EP is going to be a breeze.
Considering how badly new subclasses messed up the balance of Destiny 1, something they tried and failed to properly fix since they were introduced, I could see why they'd be reluctant to go down that path again. I suppose the difference now is that no-one cares about PvP so it wouldn't actually affect anyone enough to complain about it.
Whats interesting is that in most of these they dont even use the bonus damage from Trench Barrel
SO in theory wouldnt this work with any full auto shotgun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP_5552k8Gk
There are lots of guns that can one phase things now with the right setup
I'd think they either add a 3rd branch to pick or change it to more like D1 and let you pick your perks (while adding a few)
Same "leak" happened with Gods of Mars, lol.
Inspect element boys
Yeah 4chan seems to be 0/2 on Destiny leaks
How are they so bad at Destiny and so good at snagging everything else?
Random rolls are fine IF players can also craft or earn customizable mods to put on weapons and armor. Fixed rolls was a stupid and lazy solution.
Player agency and choice should always be considered.
They did get D2 details leaked on Reddit.
Nobody believed it but Captain America void Titan, a sword-wielding Solar Warlock, double primaries, all-4v4 PvP, Trials of Osiris turning into Trials of the Nine...all leaked.
Interesting
So they were able to snag vanilla D2 but have missed the mark on both expansions
I wonder if this is just people having a different idea of what "grind" means. To me, it means a goal I can put a little bit of progress into each play session over a long period of time. Something like the rep vendors, though I think tokens are the lamest way of doing it. Zavala's ship, for example, I can do a heroic strike and (as long as it's successful of course) guarantee I'm making progress towards it. If it was just a chance from any vanguard engram, with the average amount of turn ins being 50, it would be much worse even with the chance to get it with just 1.
This way you have something to grind, but you're not entirely at the mercy of RNG. I think some people may be saying "grind" but they really mean some sort of goal to work towards, not necessarily "more RNG".
RNG protection should be implemented through out the game to some extent.
Meh.
But ya'll still grinding. And complaining, but grinding.
Once it does drop, that dopamine spike is gonna be crazy.
I'm actually ok with the idea that not everyone gets every last piece of loot. Although they do have to put back in random rolls and a useful mod upgrade system to vastly increase the loot pool to make that more justified.
But ya'll still grinding. And complaining, but grinding.
Once it does drop, that dopamine spike is gonna be crazy.
I'm actually ok with the idea that not everyone gets every last piece of loot. Although they do have to put back in random rolls and a useful mod upgrade system to vastly increase the loot pool to make that more justified.
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tbh i don't have an issue with the game having some rare and RNG reliant items, in fact, i think they are core to the loot game and make the game better overall.
sure bungie needs to strike a balance between RNG based gear and gear that's accessible through quests/objectives, but i think some destiny players need to come to terms that its ok not to have everything as quickly as possible, even if others do have it, and that's not just for the people chasing stuff, its also for the people on LFG demanding players have "xyz" to join their group. Majority of the content in Destiny isn't even uber difficult that an experienced/decent player won't be able to get through it without the new "omg god level weapon" thing.
sure bungie needs to strike a balance between RNG based gear and gear that's accessible through quests/objectives, but i think some destiny players need to come to terms that its ok not to have everything as quickly as possible, even if others do have it, and that's not just for the people chasing stuff, its also for the people on LFG demanding players have "xyz" to join their group. Majority of the content in Destiny isn't even uber difficult that an experienced/decent player won't be able to get through it without the new "omg god level weapon" thing.
Not being able to get something because it's hard: that's ok. Something like the Redrix is an excellent idea the game needs more of.
Not being able to get something because you're "unlucky"? That's a shitty experience. No dopamine rush for 10 seconds is worth potentially weeks or months of frustration.
I played D1 Alpha and Beta and was there the minute it launched, playing every single day. Skipped Gjally on week 2 because I opted for armor (since your level was tied to Armor and that Helm of Inmost Light was a crispy level 30 temptation I couldn't resist). Took me 7 months playing daily to get it. Every single Nightfall, every single Gorgon chest, every time Xur showed his face, was a disappointment for months. Sure I was hyped when I got it. But I wouldn't trade months of disappointment for a minute of hype, that's crazy.
Funny thing about that Gjally drop for me though. It was a Crota run with Drizzay and he kept laughing like "dude why is one of you level 28 here". After we were done with the run I realized it was me because I had swapped some armor out to see how it looked and never changed back so I think I was probably doing zero or close to zero damage and didn't know it at the time. But Crotes died and Gjally showed up and it was a nice experience all around.
Not being able to get something because you're "unlucky"? That's a shitty experience. No dopamine rush for 10 seconds is worth potentially weeks or months of frustration.
I played D1 Alpha and Beta and was there the minute it launched, playing every single day. Skipped Gjally on week 2 because I opted for armor (since your level was tied to Armor and that Helm of Inmost Light was a crispy level 30 temptation I couldn't resist). Took me 7 months playing daily to get it. Every single Nightfall, every single Gorgon chest, every time Xur showed his face, was a disappointment for months. Sure I was hyped when I got it. But I wouldn't trade months of disappointment for a minute of hype, that's crazy.
Funny thing about that Gjally drop for me though. It was a Crota run with Drizzay and he kept laughing like "dude why is one of you level 28 here". After we were done with the run I realized it was me because I had swapped some armor out to see how it looked and never changed back so I think I was probably doing zero or close to zero damage and didn't know it at the time. But Crotes died and Gjally showed up and it was a nice experience all around.
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I think this level of RNG is intentional (except for the bugged nightfall drops of course).
Bungie tried the other route of being generous with almost all the best loot (except midnight coup and alone as a god which could only drop from Calus in vanilla d2). People got everything and quit.
Amped up grind and insane RNG? Player retention. PvE is still at 930,000 daily players yesterday according to destiny tracker.
Bungie even said the EP weapons are "farmable". 3x completions a week was not the plan. Although they probably didn't plan for people to figure out how to kill the boss and restart from wave 6 over and over.
Bungie tried the other route of being generous with almost all the best loot (except midnight coup and alone as a god which could only drop from Calus in vanilla d2). People got everything and quit.
Amped up grind and insane RNG? Player retention. PvE is still at 930,000 daily players yesterday according to destiny tracker.
Bungie even said the EP weapons are "farmable". 3x completions a week was not the plan. Although they probably didn't plan for people to figure out how to kill the boss and restart from wave 6 over and over.