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Star Trek Discovery |OT| To Boldly go into the new streaming era
- Thread starter berzeli
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It almost certainly is not.
We really should guard ourselves against disappointment.
its probably
a parallel universe of some kind. if its just that, I'll be happy. if suddenly they encounter the Terran Empire I'll be giddy
it be bloody cool
if it weren't the Klingons who did all the destruction but the Borg or something
Probably not, mostly because "finding a way home" isn't going to be "just travel a really long distance"
See I can easily see him thinking in that direction. Not these other theories that are getting tossed out. I think Lorca is just a damaged man trying to hold onto his ship.
I think this unknown trip gets fixed in two episodes as well.
Mirror universe got tedious on DS9. Almost as bad as the Borg on Voyager.
Frakes, too? I had only read Kurtzman talking about it a few months back which seemed to make it pretty obvious that that's where Lorca is from.
Eh, it was just five episodes over the course of seven season. I thought it was fine. Certainly not worse than the Holodeck episodes on TNG.
I did not expect to ever see
Regarding Lorca and the ending:
Also Tyler:
klingon tits in a canon trek show but here we are.
Regarding Lorca and the ending:
So it's shown that he's already been studying the alternate universe possibilities of the spore drive, and in response to Stamets making it clear this was his last jump, seized his final opportunity to reach it by discreetly overriding the destination.
Definitely thought all that talk about getting back to science and exploration was too good to be true. He has a goal in mind. I had no idea what, but it's really interesting. I wonder what he wants with this other universe. Something similar worked out pretty well for Mirror Archer, maybe something like that here.
Some people think he is from the mirror universe and is trying to get back, but I'm not really buying that explanation yet.
Definitely thought all that talk about getting back to science and exploration was too good to be true. He has a goal in mind. I had no idea what, but it's really interesting. I wonder what he wants with this other universe. Something similar worked out pretty well for Mirror Archer, maybe something like that here.
Some people think he is from the mirror universe and is trying to get back, but I'm not really buying that explanation yet.
Also Tyler:
Soon.
My theory on Ash Tyler (and it's a crazy one):
As for Lorca:
Ash Tyler went through a process that both physically changed him from a Klingon to a human but also had a human life imprinted on him. I think his memories are a bit scrambled and so he views L'Rell as a torturer when really they were lovers when he was in Klingon form. This would explain why he has memories of being physically tortured by her as well as the sex between them. I don't think he currently knows that he was/is Voq. There will be a time when his Klingon memories will be awakened and him and L'Rell will execute their intelligence plan. This also fits in with the earlier plan of L'Rell telling Voq to prepare to give up everything and of course that storyline has disappeared from our screens or so we are lead to believe.
As for Lorca:
They are definitely making it out to look like he's from the mirror universe and has strategically placed all the pieces into play to eventually get him back to the Mirror Universe in which I also think Stamets will also factor in some how. May be the way back home or something along those lines. The Lorca thing could be a red herring of sorts or they could have just as well been teasing this whole time that he was always from the Mirror Universe. There is a lot of evidence to support this as well as evidence to go against this theory. So I'll be honest in saying that I have no idea what direction they are going with Lorca other then the fact that he looks really guilty in this episode...
Yeah, been thinking that, too, considering how openly they talked about heading to the mirror universe which seemed to make the Lorca twist pretty obvious. I'm not sure what the point of it turning out to be a red herring would be though -- if they hadn't talked about the mirror universe at all, would we have expected him being from there? Why counter a theory that probably wouldn't have come up in the first place?
Would be hilarious if we had been in some kind of parallel universe -- not the actual mirror universe -- the whole time and now we've jumped into the prime universe but I don't see how that would make sense considering the Klingons they've established are all over there.
Then again, the series doesn't do a great job showing us the state of the war, the stakes, what's a played, etc., so I wouldn't actually mind losing all that.
They probably won't do it, but it would be cool if they've ended up in an alternate universe (hopefully not the mirror universe) and the rest of the series plays out there. Or they jump from universe to universe trying to get back to their own. It could basically be Voyager done right with a dose of Sliders. It would also help explain why Starfleet never adopted the technology (both experimental ships lost), and why Spock never mentions having an adopted sister (she disappeared before TOS and therefore never a thing that comes up).
It'd be a shame if Lorca was some Mirror Universe villain stealing the ship -- he's a good, compelling character and I'd hate to lose him before Season 2.
On a different note, it's a shame about Kol. He turned out to be a non-entity. If you took all his cumulative screen time, it would've been less than a villain of the week episode on TNG or Voyager.
It'd be a shame if Lorca was some Mirror Universe villain stealing the ship -- he's a good, compelling character and I'd hate to lose him before Season 2.
On a different note, it's a shame about Kol. He turned out to be a non-entity. If you took all his cumulative screen time, it would've been less than a villain of the week episode on TNG or Voyager.
Great mid season finale. Can't wait for it to pick back up in January. Every episode gets better and better.
The show may have started off a bit rough but it's really starting to find it's footing and the improvements have been across the board. I bet season 2 will be even better.
They certainly telegraphed the parallel universe thing earlier in the episode. If it's not the mirror universe, it's gotta be at least SOME kind of alternate dimension.
I agree with this theory. I am pretty sure that's what is going on.
Lorca I'm a bit more unsure on. I can see it playing out a few different ways, and his motivation being a few different things people here are mentioning.
I don't know. It was watchable. Things happened but as long as the show continues to put a barrier between me and its characters, I never feel like I'll love it. And some of the writing is really shaky, with the final Burnhaml/Tyler scene containing its share of howlers. Hopefully with Kol dead (what a non-entity he ended up being), the show can move on from this ponderous Klingon arc and do something that's actually interesting.
daaaaaammmmmmmmnnnnnnn that was awesome, I love the money they are throwing at this, the fight scene looked amazing.
If Lorca is really from the Mirror universe I hope he stays on the show, with these last few episodes he's grown on me and I would hate to see him go.
I did not expect Discovery to be this good already, the wait till January is going to suck :(
If Lorca is really from the Mirror universe I hope he stays on the show, with these last few episodes he's grown on me and I would hate to see him go.
I did not expect Discovery to be this good already, the wait till January is going to suck :(
This show keeps getting better, however, I really hope that Lorca isn't someone from the Mirror Universe. I like his character and find him compelling. Thus, turning him into a mirror universe villain destroys his complexity and the grayness of his actions. Right now we can have an active debate about whether Lorca's actions were morally right but if it turns out all to be a part of some Mirror Universe plan then that all goes out the window. I just hope his reasons are more complex than some are speculating. Perhaps, Lorca realized that if he returned to Starbase 46 he's be stripped of his command. After all, he disobeyed direct orders and Adm. Cornwell is safely back at Starfleet and can additionally report on his unstable condition supporting the decision to remove him from command. Thus, he seized Stamets last jump because he realized it was probably the last and only chance he'd get to explore these strange, new alternate realities. One last "discovery" before he was put into retirement.
Really great mid season finale... I want MOAR
It might not be Mirror Universe, but still... look forward to the journey all the same
Michael kicked some Kol ass
Ash is going through extreme PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome with L'Rell
Stamets continues being awesome
It might not be Mirror Universe, but still... look forward to the journey all the same
Michael kicked some Kol ass
Ash is going through extreme PTSD and Stockholm Syndrome with L'Rell
Stamets continues being awesome
Amazing episode. I feel emotionally invested in several of the characters now and cannot wait for January. I hope they start exploring some of the other characters at some point... Like Airiam, Rhys, Owosekun, and Detmer. Currently these characters barely exist as people... They have few lines, and just seem to nod, frown, smile, or gaze hopefully for the camera. Reoccurring crew members should be more than that.
Will be interesting to see if they "Voyager" the Discovery by throwing it into another universe or something so that it doesn't effect the rest of the timeline and lets them do whatever they want going forward.
Will be interesting to see if they "Voyager" the Discovery by throwing it into another universe or something so that it doesn't effect the rest of the timeline and lets them do whatever they want going forward.
Also, I really hope the fan theory about Tyler is wrong... but I can't imagine it's not at this point. Seems like he's been rebuilt as a human, and somehow has real Tyler's memories. Maybe only Voq's mind was put in Tyler and locked away for the time when it would be triggered to take over or something like that.
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It was pretty good. Probably the best Disco ep yet. The Klingon sex needed more furniture throwing though.
I'm still waiting on a reference to Baten Kaitos. Calling it Zeta Ceti would be disappointing but acceptable.
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What if this...
Alternate universe is the one from Parallels where the Borg have destroyed just about everything?
The thing I'm not seeing about the mirror universe is that for Lorca to be from there he would have had the technology to get to the Prime universe in the first place - which is unlikely.
I'm leaning more towards him collecting the data in the hopes he can figure out a way to use the spore drive to change the past and save his crew.
Guilt is what drives him.
I'm leaning more towards him collecting the data in the hopes he can figure out a way to use the spore drive to change the past and save his crew.
Guilt is what drives him.
Well they need to bring them back somehow - they are just about the most iconic Federayion antagonist outside of the Klingons.
