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TRUE ORDER

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A Reddit user that claims to have inside info says It will have a FF remake project umbrella(?) And ff8 and 9 would be remade
Thanks for the reply
I wouldn't believe it since 7 remake is so far away to be completed to start taking more projects.

Also, IIRC, Nomura talked about both 5 and 6 lacking a remake, maybe they would go with those two first.
 

Calliope

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This is what I'm thinking. I'm ready for disappointment!


If that were the case, you'd think they'd talk about it while waiting for the end of the world underneath the Highwind and bumping uglies. I think that's something SE pulled out of their behinds to make Cloud look "cool" for the movie, nothing more. Tifa basically saved his life, he wouldn't resent her after the whole Lifestream dive they did together.
Talking isn't either one of their strong suits. They almost literally speak in mumbo jumbo to each other (dilly dally shilly shally lol). Cloud pretty much got mind-fucked by Sephiroth for a lot longer than he unknowingly needed to if she'd just spoke up. Tifa knew something wasn't right all the way back at freaking Kalm. I'm just saying. I get that she did eventually save him, but that doesn't cancel out her earlier actions either.
 
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Kieli

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I love Tifa, but Cloud has plenty of reason to be cold to her. She wasn't exactly honest with him throughout a good bit of VII. She had her reasons, and that's what I think makes her interesting as a character, but it's not unbelievable that Cloud wouldn't harbor some resentment. They are both guilty of being jerks to each other at one point or another.

I'm not sure I agree with this characterization of Tifa. It's not that she wasn't honest with him, it's that she couldn't quite understand why he would lie and therefore played along out of respect/care for him. It could also be partly due her recollection of events being fuzzy, so she may have thought she "misremembered" things - hence the silence.

Talking isn't either ones of their strong suits. They almost literally speak in mumbo jumbo to each other (dilly dally shilly shally lol). Cloud pretty much got mind-fucked by Sephiroth for a lot longer than he unknowingly needed to if she'd just spoke up. Tifa knew something wasn't right all the way back at freaking Kalm. I'm just saying. I get that she did eventually save him, but that doesn't cancel out her earlier actions either.

Yeah, she's almost as shy as he is... lol. Almost.
 

Calliope

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I'm not sure I agree with this characterization of Tifa. It's not that she wasn't honest with him, it's that she couldn't quite understand why he would lie and therefore played along out of respect/care for him. It could also be partly due her recollection of events being fuzzy, so she may have thought she "misremembered" things - hence the silence.
Oh I totally agree with that. She was injured during Nibelheim too; she doesn't even confidently recall her own memories. I love Tifa but she isn't faultless. Like I said, that's why I think she's interesting. She made a bad decision; not questioning Cloud's recollections and holding back what she remembered. It's actually a realistic thing to do. I'm not saying she's an asshole or anything. But my point is that Cloud doesn't have to hand wave it all away and just fall in love with her because she saved him. She needs to earn his trust back/he needs to learn to trust again.
 
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ZenTzen

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Talking isn't either ones of their strong suits. They almost literally speak in mumbo jumbo to each other (dilly dally shilly shally lol). Cloud pretty much got mind-fucked by Sephiroth for a lot longer than he unknowingly needed to if she'd just spoke up. Tifa knew something wasn't right all the way back at freaking Kalm. I'm just saying. I get that she did eventually save him, but that doesn't cancel out her earlier actions either.
Actually she thought something was wrong since they met at the train station in the sector 5 slums

I'm not sure I agree with this characterization of Tifa. It's not that she wasn't honest with him, it's that she couldn't quite understand why he would lie and therefore played along out of respect/care for him. It could also be partly due her recollection of events being fuzzy, so she may have thought she "misremembered" things - hence the silence.



Yeah, she's almost as shy as he is... lol. Almost.
She knew everything, she just thought some of the stuff he talked about was strange, how he didnt remember things he should and stuff he shouldnt know, so when she heard he was leaving midgar and her not knowing what to do, she thought of him helping AVALANCHE to give her time.

But this doesnt matter since from the moment she heard about the nibel incident in kalm she should have been straight with him right there.
 

Keym

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Oh I totally agree with that. She was injured during Nibelheim too; she doesn't even confidently recall her own memories. I love Tifa but she isn't faultless. Like I said, that's why I think she's interesting. She made a bad decision; not questioning Cloud's recollections and holding back what she remembered. It's actually a realistic thing to do. I'm not saying she's an asshole or anything. But my point is that Cloud doesn't have to hand wave it all away and just fall in love with her because she saved him. She needs to earn his trust back/he needs to learn to trust again.
I mean, would he be living with her in AC if he really didn't trust her or held some resentment towards her like you said? That just seems... weird.
 

Balfour

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No, I totally agree with that. She was injured during Nibelheim too; she doesn't even confidently recall her own memories. I love Tifa but she isn't faultless. Like I said, that's why I think she's interesting. She made a bad decision; not questioning Cloud's recollections and holding back what she remembered. It's actually a realistic thing to do. I'm not saying she's an asshole or anything. But my point is that Cloud doesn't have to hand wave it all away and just fall in love with her because she saved him. She needs to earn his trust back/he needs to learn to trust again.

I do not think it is because of trust on his part

After Zack's death, his mind completely broke and made lies to erase him from the memories. Then Cloud became a jerk trying to push people away while he was subconsciously scared of getting close and losing more, which is sad to say happened anyway with Aerith after she got close despite him trying to be a stone cold merc.

After his mind was fixed, he was fine for the end of FF7, ready to live again. And he started to with Tifa, even adopted an orphan who tried to steal his phone, financially supporting himself, Tifa, Denzel, and some extent Marlene. Then he got sick and ran because the guilt came back and he decided he wasn't allowed to be with others and be happy because people kept dieing around him and he blamed himself. Took the ghosts of said people to tell him that was total BS, then he came back ready to go again.

It is not because he doesn't trust or like Tifa, it was because he hated himself and ran away feeling he would just lose them too if he stayed around

yeah Cloud was a jerk to most people, but for some realistic reasons, mostly psychological issues.
 

Calliope

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I mean, would he be living with her in AC if he really didn't trust her or held some resentment towards her like you said? That just seems... weird.
I've always had the impression that arrangement was more for the sake of convenience or for the kids. He doesn't seem to be there much anyway. He has a camp set up at Aerith's church.

And if he did trust her, wouldn't he tell her he has geostigma?
 

Balfour

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I've always had the impression that arrangement was more for the sake of convenience or for the kids. He doesn't seem to be there much anyway. He has a camp set up at Aerith's church.

And if he did trust her, wouldn't he tell her he has geostigma?

did you watch the movie? The dude was running from everyone because the guilt he had for Aerith and Zack's deaths. The Geostigma pushed him over the edge. He decided it was better for him to not be around and let them know and be a burden to them. It had nothing to do with anything Tifa did. He was scared of losing them to and thought he was the cause for those he loved dieing. Its like his whole character arc in the movie. The whole point Aerith and Zack's ghosts told him that wasn't true. He was seeking atonement that wasn't needed. This was all him and nothing he thought she did
 

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I've always had the impression that arrangement was more for the sake of convenience or for the kids. He doesn't seem to be there much anyway. He has a camp set up at Aerith's church.

And if he did trust her, wouldn't he tell her he has geostigma?
He didnt want to worry tifa about the sickness, people that gets a serious disease usualy have problem to Tell that to close friends and family, but not to Someone he doesnt know.
Edit: Also the sickness was contagious
 

Keym

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It is not because he doesn't trust or like Tifa, it was because he hated himself and ran away feeling he would just lose them too if he stayed around
This. It's basically the oldest anime cliche applied to Cloud's personality out of nowhere, mind, because they needed something to make the movie "interesting" I guess.
 

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I remember playing it with one of my best friends and whenever there was a hard part (aka bosses) we would ask his big brother to play for us. But he loved the game so he didn't mind - I was in elementary school
That was my first playthrough as well! I remember my classmates where all amazed when I told them my HP was over 5000 and I had thunder fire lvl 3 etc...my cousin helped me out a lot. I think my PS broke and I had to turn it upside down, I didn't finish it until much later, and then I got ruby weapon with the dazers trick, knights of the round, all Materia etc...it was like playing a different game.
 

Calliope

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did you watch the movie? The dude was running from everyone because the guilt he had for Aerith and Zack's deaths. The Geostigma pushed him over the edge. He decided it was better for him to not be around and let them know and be a burden to them. It had nothing to do with anything Tifa did. He was scared of losing them to and thought he was the cause for those he loved dieing. Its like his whole character arc in the movie. The whole point Aerith and Zack's ghosts told him that wasn't true. He was seeking atonement that wasn't needed. This was all him and nothing he thought she did
Sure, and I understand that's why he did that. I've made posts in this tread about that very thing. But people calling out Cloud as a jerk for trying to deal with his shit the best way he knew how while not also calling Tifa out for her mistakes with how she handled some things with Cloud is where I started with this.

They are both at fault at various points over the course of the VII compilation for being weenies and not just talking to each other. Seriously most of their problems would have been solved if either one had just spoken up. I just don't think it's fair to label Cloud as the jerk when Tifa pulled some stuff on him too. They both made mistakes, that's been my point.
 

Balfour

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This. It's basically the oldest anime cliche applied to Cloud's personality out of nowhere, mind, because they needed something to make the movie "interesting" I guess.

AC in a nutschell

Cloud: I bring only death to those I love, I am going to hide away even though it will only bring worry to the one I am closest to

Tifa: that's dumb

Cloud: I seek forgiveness for their deaths. It is my fault

Ghost Aerith: that's dumb. not ur fault m8

Cloud:oh............... I am not worth being happy

Marlene: it's time to stop

Cloud: k *fights sephiroth*

Ghost Zack: quit sucking man, you're the MC

Cloud: oh right. I love everyone!

*power of friend ship kills sephiroth and cures the world of Geostigma*

Cloud: I'm good

Tifa: *nods*

Ghosts: *nods and walks away*

*cue credits of Cloud enjoying a bike ride through scenery not present ever in either FF7 or AC*

Sure, and I understand that's why he did that. I've made posts in this tread about that very thing. But people calling out Cloud as a jerk for trying to deal with his shit the best way he knew how while not also calling Tifa out for her mistakes with how she handled some things with Cloud is where I started with this.

They are both at fault at various points over the course of the VII compilation for being weenies and not just talking to each other. Seriously most of their problems would have been solved if either one had just spoken up. I just don't think it's fair to label Cloud as the jerk when Tifa pulled some stuff on him too. They both made mistakes, that's been my point.

I get that she made mistakes. I am just pointing out nothing Cloud did was because he did not trust Tifa. That was never the case on anything. Everything was in his own messed up head. He pushed everyone away for most of FF7, and then he just ran from his psychological issues afraid it would hurt her and the kids he lived with. It's the cliche of, "you're the only ones who can help me but I am gonna run because i am afraid of hurting you or being a burden"
 

Osa15

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The hype is real. 29 pages just for a picture that doesn't reveal much haha. I have never played final fantasy 7. Started with 10 and bought ever final fantasy game since then. I m looking forward to the remake, but I m not that excited for it.

I would have much preferred legends of dragoon remake. I would buy 100 copies of that day one and bathe in it after playing it.
 

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AC in a nutschell

Cloud: I bring only death to those I love, I am going to hide away even though it will only bring worry to the one I am closest to

Tifa: that's dumb

Cloud: I seek forgiveness for their deaths. It is my fault

Ghost Aerith: that's dumb. not ur fault m8

Cloud:oh............... I am not worth being happy

Marlene: it's time to stop

Cloud: k *fights sephiroth*

Ghost Zack: quit sucking man, you're the MC

Cloud: oh right. I love everyone!

*power of friend ship kills sephiroth and cures the world of Geostigma*

Cloud: I'm good

Tifa: *nods*

Ghosts: *nods and walks away*

*cue credits of Cloud enjoying a bike ride through scenery not present ever in either FF7 or AC*
Best summary
 

Notaskwid

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Cloud: I bring only death to those I love, I am going to hide away even though it will only bring worry to the one I am closest to

Tifa: that's dumb

Cloud: I seek forgiveness for their deaths. It is my fault

Ghost Aerith: that's dumb. not ur fault m8

Cloud:oh............... I am not worth being happy

Marlene: it's time to stop

Cloud: k *fights sephiroth*

Ghost Zack: quit sucking man, you're the MC

Cloud: oh right. I love everyone!

*power of friend ship kills sephiroth and cures the world of Geostigma*

Cloud: I'm good

Tifa: *nods*

Ghosts: *nods and walks away*

*cue credits of Cloud enjoying a bike ride through scenery not present ever in either FF7 or AC*
Good movie.
 

Balfour

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well. Cloud may do a lot of cliche things and overall be a, reasonable so, mentally unstable person for most of his story, but I find it better than Squall. He just had an adopted sister complex he never got over because she had to leave and then became the basic loner trope until he got a girl friend then somehow literally used the power of friendship to survive time compression
 

HeeHo

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I would have much preferred legends of dragoon remake. I would buy 100 copies of that day one and bathe in it after playing it

Haha, nicely put. I feel the same about the 7Remake. I never beat LoD but I actually liked it too at the time. That'd be exciting to see Sony's take on it now.
 

Keym

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AC in a nutschell

Cloud: I bring only death to those I love, I am going to hide away even though it will only bring worry to the one I am closest to

Tifa: that's dumb

Cloud: I seek forgiveness for their deaths. It is my fault

Ghost Aerith: that's dumb. not ur fault m8

Cloud:oh............... I am not worth being happy

Marlene: it's time to stop

Cloud: k *fights sephiroth*

Ghost Zack: quit sucking man, you're the MC

Cloud: oh right. I love everyone!

*power of friend ship kills sephiroth and cures the world of Geostigma*

Cloud: I'm good

Tifa: *nods*

Ghosts: *nods and walks away*

*cue credits of Cloud enjoying a bike ride through scenery not present ever in either FF7 or AC*
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Balfour

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but serious though. Cloud's been through a lot of shit in which almost none of it his fault. Only reason i give him a pass of being an idiot in AC and even that that was a tall order

Was the only one smart enough to know going to a dark mountain full of monsters was a dumb idea. Tries to save Tifa, gets blamed by the entire village for the whole thing. Tifa doesn't even remember it was her bad until later. Cloud becomes an outcast and gets into a lot of fights.

Being a kid, tries to boast to Tifa, accepting the promise of coming to save her. Leaves to become a big hero only to fail because an evil alien's cells don't want to. Lives in shame and feels like a failure.

*Before Crisis and Crisis Core append* Gets sent on the literal worst missions to send a normal grunt to like literally every time. Has to fight off a behemoth, luckily living only to being a natural swords dude. But get jerked around on missions against Genesis and Angeal.

Eventually has to go back to his home and hides in shame, afraid of seeing the girl he cared about and didn't want her to know he failed, even though she would not have cared.

Watches his hero burn down his home and kill his mother. Treks to Mt. Nibel reactor, finds Tifa on death's door to Sephiroth, stabs Sephy and checks on Tifa. Sephy still alive, so he tosses him into the big old hole. Is left bleeding out, thinking he failed to save her or anyone.

Gets experimented on for a long period of time, getting mako poisoning and crap. Ironically becomes a super soldier through becoming a Sephiroth "clone" by having his cells spliced in. Ironically those having Jenova cells anyway when before such a thing failed.

Gets dragged across the world in a horrible state, trying to be saved by his friend. Then watches the only person he thinks he has left get gunned down trying to protect the both of them and make it back to Midgar where his girlfriend was.

Cloud mentally breaks, erasing said BFF from his memories, while splicing the man onto himself, becoming almost a different person. Tries to push everyone away

Gets roped into Avalanche. Happy Tifa is alive, but afraid of being around, Almost dies from a fall.

Gets persuaded into wearing girls clothes to sneak into a mansion to save Tifa, even though the woman punches tanks

Finds out Sephiroth is alive, the origin of all his pain then goes on a journey

Fails so save one of his closes friends, while almost being made to do the deed himself

Is controlled to HELP Sephiroth

falls into a hole, gets poisoned again. Sits in a near catatonic state in a remote village

Gets saved, but then remembers all his pain and Zack.


its pretty sailing after, but man his life did suck

the amount personal hell the man has had over time is why he is not higher on my list of favorite characters. Because i just feel sorry for the dude
 
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so do people actually like Advent Children? I've never watched the full film but I've seen the "dilly dally shilly shally" scene, the Bahamut Sin fight, and the Sephiroth fight.... CGI aged horrendously (I honestly think Final Fantasy X's is much more enjoyable to look at), nonsensical fights, and some of the worst voice acting and dialogue I've ever heard. wtf
 

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Dilly dally shilly shally was translated really poorly, imo. I mean, it's in the ballpark of what Tifa meant, but it comes off as so super unnatural in English. Something like blah blah or yada yada would have fit way better with the original meaning
 

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Dilly dally shilly shally was translated really poorly, imo. I mean, it's in the ballpark of what Tifa meant, but it comes off as so super unnatural in English. Something like blah blah or yada yada would have fit way better with the original meaning
Alright, you wanted it you got it. 60 minutes of:

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Calliope

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I get that she made mistakes. I am just pointing out nothing Cloud did was because he did not trust Tifa. That was never the case on anything. Everything was in his own messed up head. He pushed everyone away for most of FF7, and then he just ran from his psychological issues afraid it would hurt her and the kids he lived with. It's the cliche of, "you're the only ones who can help me but I am gonna run because i am afraid of hurting you or being a burden"
Maybe it's just semantics, but that's still a lack of trust. Cloud and Tifa withhold super important information from each other at two separate points in VII's story and both times because they don't want to hurt the other. She's afraid of what he'll do and he's afraid he'll hurt her. That's almost the textbook definition of lack of trust. They don't have confidence in each other (or themselves) to be forthright and honest. In any event, I do see what you're saying, I'm just coming at it from a different angle. We're probably arguing the same thing lol.
 
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Ishiro

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Koozek why are you playing with our hearts pls stahp

Edit: so just cause 4 just got accidently promoted on steam. That's another confirmation of another game from the Walmart e3 Leak. Does that mean anything for ff7 at e3?
Leak was pretty much already confirmed after the Rage 2 reveal. The Just Cause 4 leak doesn't really change anything.

These guys on the other hand seem to be pretty confident:

At the 41:00 minute mark
 

MisterMangu

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Looks like the Walmart leak is real.

Which means I shall play this on my glorious X1X.

Which also means we will probably get a release date or time frame.

Which means I need to go change my pants, brb...
 

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(PLOT SPOILERS IF ANYONE CARES)

I'm going to be completely honest, I didn't play this game until recently so I don't have a ton of nostalgia for it. As a modern day gamer (players who played right when it came out probably won't want the "choose your love interest" to change, but...), I would love having Aerith as a fixed love interest up until her death, then Cloud beginning to lean towards Tifa. I could never choose between them when I played the original, and I think they're both amazing for different reasons, so why not have both?
It's okay! The first time I played it was maybe like 10/11 years ago so I don't really have much nostalgia for it either. I actually end up playing similar to you: I go on the date with Aerith but I still get the high affection highwind scene with Tifa (I can't be mean to Tifa :p).
 

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It's okay! The first time I played it was maybe like 10/11 years ago so I don't really have much nostalgia for it either. I actually end up playing similar to you: I go on the date with Aerith but I still get the high affection highwind scene with Tifa (I can't be mean to Tifa :p).

In case you haven't apprehended, I'm very much in the Cloud-Aerith camp so I always end up on the date with her (just personal preference); but having said that I usually finish with the high affection Highwind scene also as I like Tifa a lot too.

Edit: PS: The points are

Aerith: 50
Tifa: 30
Yuffie: 10
Barret: 0
 

Famassu

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Looks like the Walmart leak is real.

Which means I shall play this on my glorious X1X.

Which also means we will probably get a release date or time frame.

Which means I need to go change my pants, brb...
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Release date announcement doesn't seem likely. I mean, at this point there is a very real possibility that the game isn't even at E3. Release date announcement seems unlikely, at least anything beyond them maybe confirming it's a 2019 release if they've somewhat locked down that 2019 is the year. KHIII hasn't gotten a date and that's possibly releasing in less than 6 months.
 

Ryuman

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so do people actually like Advent Children? I've never watched the full film but I've seen the "dilly dally shilly shally" scene, the Bahamut Sin fight, and the Sephiroth fight.... CGI aged horrendously (I honestly think Final Fantasy X's is much more enjoyable to look at), nonsensical fights, and some of the worst voice acting and dialogue I've ever heard. wtf
Yep, especially with ACC. I think it still looks alright for its time but Complete's frankenstein resolution is pretty dumb. I really enjoy Cloud's character arc and the fight scenes aren't totally incomprehensible imo. I don't watch it in English anymore so that's not an issue either. To each their own but I love ACC.
 

peetxp

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The evidence is irrefutable when presented so plainly and clearly. I didn't pick up on so many of the points he/she gave because I was young and romance wasn't really my thing ('cuz cooties). For example, when I watched ACC close to release, what stood out to me were all the fight scenes. I probably rewatched it 10+ back then, but it was always about the fight scenes. Yet when I was recently rewatching it, what immediately stood out to me were the personal moments, especially with regards to Cloud's guilt towards Aerith.

In context of that essay, I now understand why Cloud was so depressed. Before, I chalked it up to Square-Enix making him emo because hurr durr.

I really got to get my hands on the Ultimania guide.
At the risk of throwing this thread off-course again (which really went astray long before this tbf anyway), how come you moved so far in the opposite direction that you ended up referring to yourself as an ex- "filthy Cloud x Aerith shipper", until yesterday that is?