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"We will return to Mass Effect in the future," says Casey Hudson
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This would be much more interesting imo.
Opinion noted, but nothing I said was "absurd".
Pictured here: Old Drew Karpyshyn and Casey Hudson.
"Go away kid, I'm retired."
Oh stop. After the extended ending patch the overall community was quite at peace with the ending, and knee-jerk hyperbole is always found in the realm of hormonal teenagers who were the main proponents of the initial vitriol.
Saying it was the biggest betrayal in gaming history is a liiiitle overboard, considering it sits at a high80s/low 90s on metacritic.
As to how to continue it, it's simple. They would have to select an ending. Probably the most popularly chosen one, but as you said since the community was so pissed at the ending with 3, could they get more angry if an ending were considered to be canon and that resulted in a ME4? I think most gamers would be ok with that.
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He pretty much ruined mass effect duo the ending (was solo effort by him and ignored writers)
If he is involved I'll stay away from it
And people who says he created mass effect. No game is *created* by 1 man
Sooo...they haven't started on the new Dragon Age yet? <sigh>
Edit: just saw discussion on this on the previous page. Based on how well DAI performed, cant believe they've only had a small skeleton crew working on concepts this whole time. That's super disappointing. As excited as I am about Anthem, I don't think I'd have wanted them to gut the existing Bioware team working on DA to create it.
Edit: just saw discussion on this on the previous page. Based on how well DAI performed, cant believe they've only had a small skeleton crew working on concepts this whole time. That's super disappointing. As excited as I am about Anthem, I don't think I'd have wanted them to gut the existing Bioware team working on DA to create it.
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not for me.
1>3>2>A
Although Andromeda's Skill/Build gameplay systems are the best in the whole series. that order is A>3>1>2. ME2 is too much of a shooter and the unlimited ammo from 1 and build variety make it slightly superior. 3 reconciles both parts of 1 and 2s systems as far as skills and abilities go and A expands on those.
The only negatives in Andromeda from a gameplay perspective is that the UI is a bit difficult, its a bit too grindy, and having less control of your AI companions is worse. Otherwise as far as gameplay goes its pretty good and the best in the series.
Andromeda falls apart with its writing and despite the ending of ME3 (for which the hate is overblown due to it being overpromised) Hudson is a good writer.
Setting Andromeda 2 after another time skip (to allow for a soft reboot and more Lore to develop) and go into more Blade Runner/cyberpunk setting (to differentiate it from Anthem's blue sky sci fi vibe. would be ideal
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No game is created by one man, but it can be ruined by one man?
Okay.
"Figuring out what Dragon Age will look like" must be Dragon Age 5 right? I thought they were already deeper into DA4 development than "figuring out what it might look like." :/
Great news that Mass Effect is still an active proposition.
Great news that Mass Effect is still an active proposition.
Yes. Are you saying creating and ruining are equally easy things?
Okay.
Please Casey.. give us ME4, We heard Sheperd breathe... the Andromeda program was a sham, we all know the arc blew up before it reached the Andromeda galaxy.
I doubt they'd return to Shepard's story.
If anything they'd either reboot Andromeda, or make an unrelated sequel/prequel of it.
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I'm saying modern game development is too complex with too many moving parts for one man to be credited with all of anything.
Not that hard to follow.
Except it takes far less bad things to ruin a good game than good things to save a bad game. Your logic wasn't hard to follow, it was just wrong. If the person in charge makes just a few bad decisions it can absolutely ruin something no matter how many moving parts there are, and the opposite is not true.
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He fudged 10 minutes of a trilogy. You see what the game he wasn't involved with turned out like? My 5 year old can write dialogue better.
He fudged a lot more than 10 minutes, and Andromeda > ME3 (opinion, obv.).
Okay. :'(
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"When it becomes viable to release a remaster of the series at full price, we'll revisit Mass Effect."
I just don't have confidence in their writers after 3 and Andromeda
can't really get a feel for the writing in Anthem until release
anything with the ME name will have my attention
but I'm looking forward to X enhancement much more than new entry right now
can't really get a feel for the writing in Anthem until release
anything with the ME name will have my attention
but I'm looking forward to X enhancement much more than new entry right now
Well, if Hudson comes back to ME i would like him to consider some things before starting:
a) Find capable main story writers (Hint: mr Walters is not one of them),
b) Ignore ME:A, this room brings only sadness,
c) Copy and refine ME3's game play and re-enable companion commands,
d) Accept Destroy as a cannon and have the story happen after the event of the Reaper Wars,
e) Same as d for emphasis, No prequels,
f) When the time comes and you have to choose how the game ends, discuss with every one involved and not have any such discussion with mr. Walters,
g) Have meaty DLC's/Expansions and do not abandon the game like EA did with ME:A,
h) Replay The Witcher 3 complete, Shadowrun: Dragonfall and any game considered having quality writing to form ideas as many times as needed and,
i) Treat multiplayer feature (if made) as one more feature and not something the game should revolve around.
a) Find capable main story writers (Hint: mr Walters is not one of them),
b) Ignore ME:A, this room brings only sadness,
c) Copy and refine ME3's game play and re-enable companion commands,
d) Accept Destroy as a cannon and have the story happen after the event of the Reaper Wars,
e) Same as d for emphasis, No prequels,
f) When the time comes and you have to choose how the game ends, discuss with every one involved and not have any such discussion with mr. Walters,
g) Have meaty DLC's/Expansions and do not abandon the game like EA did with ME:A,
h) Replay The Witcher 3 complete, Shadowrun: Dragonfall and any game considered having quality writing to form ideas as many times as needed and,
i) Treat multiplayer feature (if made) as one more feature and not something the game should revolve around.
Eh I'm fine with ME3's ending. Think you're overreacting there.
At this point I'm just hoping for a Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster before EA shuts down Bioware. Bioware seems to be betting everything on Anthem and I'm not sure people are in a receptive mood for a game that doesn't improve a lot upon Destiny and Division, and its really hard to see how Anthem won't make the exact same mistakes those two games did.
You wouldn't eat the perfect cake if you found a worm inside it. Yes one person can ruin a game.
And this is beating a dead horse.
A huge part of the community was very loud and clear regarding Casey Hudson. The guy even left bioware for a while.
Bioware got hundreds of developers and many things were right in the game (music, gameplay etc) so I can't blame them for the piece of shit ending that we got, it was not artistic or good or anything and yes we can blame Casey for it because as I said it was solo thing done by him and he ignored the writers of the series. Heck he even lied in interviews saying the ending won't be A.B.C choices when if actually did at the end and saying all choices will matter at the end when it did not.
Mass effect 3 ending should be a lesson for developers and it's. The case was closed long time ago so no need to pretend as if I'm a minority here or anything.
If Casey gets involved in the next mass effect without restrictions a big part of the community won't be interested in the game
Hope so, playing through Andromeda now and it's really not that bad, bit underwhelming for a next-gen Mass Effect? Sure, but certainly not franchise killing.
I do hope they finally realize not every story has to be you saving everyone in the universe though.
I do hope they finally realize not every story has to be you saving everyone in the universe though.
I think the only way that they can salvage Mass Effect is to figure something out from that awful ending and make a real Mass Effect 4 with Shepard and co, or at least having it take place after the Reaper war in the actual setting and not some pocket area side story.
If u check the comments at the EA thread for anthem e3 reveal
90% it looks Generic/Boring/incoming flop/big pass/etc
5% wow jets! I can be iron man
5% they liked it
So yeah I hope they didn't bet everything on that game
I've seen EA's method of reviving a dead game series twice now. First was Dungeon Keeper Mobile, next was Command & Conquer Rivals. Don't ask EA to revive your games series.... they will end up returning as shitty mobile games.
2007-2012 was really the perfect time for Mass Effect with Star Wars seemingly done.
As for another game, the only way they can get me to be interested is going back to Shepard. They way they dealt with ME3's ending and made Andromeda after so many years was awful.
What I really want is a trilogy remaster still, for Switch and PS4.
As for another game, the only way they can get me to be interested is going back to Shepard. They way they dealt with ME3's ending and made Andromeda after so many years was awful.
What I really want is a trilogy remaster still, for Switch and PS4.
Casey allowed his "baby" to grow into a pile of hot garbage. That's bad parenting if you ask me.
Will be interesting to see what direction they take the series in. Could be a clash of clans clone, could be a hero based shooter, could be a battle royale game... I guess it is wide open at this point and we'll just have to see what the latest fad is when they get around to destroying the series further.
And all for just $10 a month.
And all for just $10 a month.
I think that the only way to salvage the series is to remake the trilogy and retcon some of the stuff in ME1 and ME2 and write a better ending for ME3, and improve the side quests of ME1 and ME3 while they're at it. That's the only way to fix the narrative problems in all the three games (third one in particular due to the endgame setup) and preserve the trilogy at the same time.
I think that there's need to continue Shep's story after defeating the Reapers, it makes since for him/her to retire for a looooong time.
That said, I sometimes thought that it would've been better if the choice between saving/killing clone Shep mattered in ME3's DLC, if you save him/her, then the real Shep could retire with whoever his romance option was in the good ending and clone Shep could star a spin-off game of their own with the Normandy crew (or maybe a new one?). I know the Citadel is supposed to be a light-hearted DLC (and I love it for being that) but it was just profoundly stupid how they introduced the clone stuff and never did anything of value with it.
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It hurts because it's true.
During the Anthem stuff I couldn't help but wondering where the Bioware that made this has gone. Just depressing.
A thread on ResetEra is hardly indicative of any consensus that the majority audience has on the game. ResetEra is a vocal minority with a hardcore audience with a very niche taste.
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Chilling with Origin, Bullfrog and the rest in the pits of EA hell.
I'm not talking about the ending. That isn't what any of my posts or arguments have been about.
Me3 ending was not Casey soloing it. It was Casey and Walters.
This topic isn't about Walters though. Do you see anyone defending him? Hudson was in charge, it was his job to rein in Walters, not help make things worse.
Wasn't the Andromeda studio closed down after Andromeda "bombed"?
If they ever remake the trilogy they better actually add the DLC this time, and not like the last trilogy collection they released were you had to buy it all seperately.
I think that an alternate universe bad-ending spin off like XCOM 2 could work, were the reapers won and you're playing as Shepard amongst the last remnants of the Galaxy, trying to bring everyone back together for one last suicide mission.
I think that an alternate universe bad-ending spin off like XCOM 2 could work, were the reapers won and you're playing as Shepard amongst the last remnants of the Galaxy, trying to bring everyone back together for one last suicide mission.
weren't most reassigned to Motive?
either way given that EA has a 10 year plan for this game i'd imagine that they would try and continue to improve Anthem over time.
That could work too, could be a fun alt reality spin-off/what-if scenario, especially if they go all in with the Indoctrination Theory, lol.