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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Is it really that hard to believe that they would keep a character dead just because they couldn't get that VA back?

... that's literally what I'm saying.

Like, I just said that.

You're the one arguing they would change the voice actor. I'm pointing out they would just leave him dead if that were the case.

(But that isn't the case. They have no problem getting Nathan back.)
 

JohnOfMars

Fighting Lion
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,107
Mars
Cayde dying and coming back wouldn't mean his death doesn't matter. It only matters if he or the world don't change, which seems unlikely. Here is Dan Harmon of Community and Rick & Morty fame's way of looking at story (read clockwise starting at noon):

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Can't think of a heavier price than dying.So just as long as "having changed" is met, then it can still be a good story.

Narratively, there's no reason to keep our guardian from their light for more than hour. Our guardian isn't a character. But they literally kept everyone else without their light for the whole game and then when they get it back, they and the world are changed. Could the characterization be better? sure. But it's silly to say losing the light didn't matter.
 

kayos90

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,703
... that's literally what I'm saying.

Like, I just said that.

You're the one arguing they would change the voice actor. I'm pointing out they would just leave him dead if that were the case.

(But that isn't the case. They have no problem getting Nathan back.)

That's fair. I think my main issue is that you believe that this is not a possibility whereas I think it's very well within the realm of reality. If you believe that this literally has 0% chance of happening then, fair is fair.

Cayde dying and coming back wouldn't mean his death doesn't matter. It only matters if he or the world don't change, which seems unlikely. Here is Dan Harmon of Community and Rick & Morty fame's way of looking at story (read clockwise starting at noon):

ac91186a9c27e6924ec46ca5d547c757--s-stories-film-making.jpg


Can't think of a heavier price than dying.

Narratively, there's no reason to keep our guardian from their light for more than hour. Our guardian isn't a character. But they literally kept everyone else without their light for the whole game and then when they get it back, they and the world are changed. Could the characterization be better? sure. But it's silly to say losing the light didn't matter.

How did the fundamentals foundations of the Destiny world change after losing our light and then getting it back after the end of D2?
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
That's fair. I think my main issue is that you believe that this is not a possibility whereas I think it's very well within the realm of reality. If you believe that this literally has 0% chance of happening then, fair is fair.



How did the fundamentals foundations of the Destiny world change after losing our light and then getting it back after the end of D2?
The traveller is awake
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
What does that mean though? How does the traveler being awake affect us right now? Is it imbuing us with extra knowledge? Extra power? Like... how is it affecting us other than starting random plots (aka current expansions CoO and Warmind).
I got an erection at that precise moment so you tell me.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,329

Turbo Tu-Tone

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,951
Kill off Cayde or replace him. None of the characters in this game have any agency whatsoever. It wouldn't be a big deal.
 

SmartWaffles

Member
Nov 15, 2017
6,249

edgefusion

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,866
This video by My Name is Byf is so funny to me, all his sad little huffs and sighs, the melodrama, the addressing Bungie devs directly...it's just too much. I think going to the 'summit' might've been a bad thing for My Name is Byf lol.

 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
13,499
How did the fundamentals foundations of the Destiny world change after losing our light and then getting it back after the end of D2?

The traveller is awake

I think Kayos is right that not much actually changed in an appreciable sense. Stories are told to us through their characters - their emotional and physical journey is the lens through which the plot takes on meaning. The effects of the Traveler waking up might have had a gross physical effect, but they don't seem to have really changed anybody. Zavala is still super serious, Ikora is still mysterious, Cayde is still Cayde, Hawthorne is still grumpy, all of our planet contacts are exactly how they were. A lot happens but we end up at the same basic point we were at before. The universe is still closing in and presenting terrible threats, but that was true beforehand - the Traveler waking up was just the new excuse.
 

JohnOfMars

Fighting Lion
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,107
Mars
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.
 
Oct 27, 2017
5,329
This video by My Name is Byf is so funny to me, all his sad little huffs and sighs, the melodrama, the addressing Bungie devs directly...it's just too much. I think going to the 'summit' might've been a bad thing for My Name is Byf lol.



I didn't get any of that from the video. I thought it was just someone deeply invested in the lore who is going full-in on some of the potential story beats of Forsaken and meaningful vengeance to boot.
 

Castor

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,215
New York City
Anyone who has continued playing and been keeping up with the news mind answering some things for me please? Something I've been wondering as I consider jumping back into Destiny 2 is how they've decided to balance the game. The baseline item I'm thinking for this was those exotic boots for Voidbow Hunters that recharged super per enemy hit. I know they did some rebalancing so did they balance some exotics to be around that item's power level? Were they deemed too powerful and toned down? The way the game seemed to be build you can continue to level an item as much as you wanted through the lifespan of the game. Have they or do they seem to be abandoning that?
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.
Streamers were so mad at D2 because of the lack of grind because it essentially messed with their jobs/bottom line


This video by My Name is Byf is so funny to me, all his sad little huffs and sighs, the melodrama, the addressing Bungie devs directly...it's just too much. I think going to the 'summit' might've been a bad thing for My Name is Byf lol.



Dont think Byf went to the summit.
 

Trakan

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Oct 25, 2017
4,207
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.

Lol John your reply was just as snarky as his.
 

kayos90

Community Resettler
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Oct 25, 2017
2,703
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.

It's not bull shit. D1 is for all intents and purposes a looter shooter. You don't enjoy looter shooters. That's fine. But don't crucify a streamer for seeing Destiny for what it is just because your preferences don't match up. Comparing Titanfall, Overwatch, and the like to Destiny is an asinine comparison.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,198
This video by My Name is Byf is so funny to me, all his sad little huffs and sighs, the melodrama, the addressing Bungie devs directly...it's just too much. I think going to the 'summit' might've been a bad thing for My Name is Byf lol.


he is one of the main and best lore dudes for this series, he cares, is that bad?? Also he didnt even get invited to the summit.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,198
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.


I hope its coming back... i still remember exactly where I got my gjally for the very first time, got it in the first chest room in glass 6months after release playing everyday,( i was so fuckin happy it was insane) never gotten that amount of surprused happiness from destiny 2, i even skipped getting it the first xur week... I dont remember where i earned a single gun from d2 because they were all just handed to me or it was a shitty long timegated quest!
 

Lenz

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
312
The "Well of Radiance" subclass tree getting healing for grenades is super legit. That's the type of stuff players are interested in when it comes to building a character. Not necessarily talking about playing a support rather, but actually being able to make a decision like "I'm a player that wants to support allies, I'm going to run Well of Radiance and use gear to enhance that" is a really good step to what Destiny should be striving for. If I can also make decisions like "I want to play a character that is more defensive" or "I want to play a character that focuses on manipulating the battlefield", then this will be a strong boon for the game.

Right now our choices on how we want to play are so painfully limited. We are all supremely damage oriented, we have very few synergies, and we are split wholly between being Single Target or Add-Clear. More variation is good and healthy.
 

JohnOfMars

Fighting Lion
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,107
Mars
Streamers were so mad at D2 because of the lack of grind because it essentially messed with their jobs/bottom line

That's certainly something to bear in mind, lol.

Destiny has always been a mishmash of genres and it's never been an arena arcade shooter, it's also never been a true looter. D2 emphasized the shooter and fixed design elements more and I liked that, which is what games like Titanfall & Overwatch do. Hardly asinine.

I hope its coming back... i still remember exactly where I got my gjally for the very first time, got it in the first chest room in glass 6months after release playing everyday,( i was so fuckin happy it was insane) never gotten that amount of surprused happiness from destiny 2, i even skipped getting it the first xur week... I dont remember where i earned a single gun from d2 because they were all just handed to me or it was a shitty long timegated quest!

For me, the memory of getting Gjally was super-shitty. Waking up at reset every week and cheesing the Thrallway because I needed every drop chance I could to get it. And when I finally did get it, I had fun, but reloading the raid several times til I found the instance where the chest was at the front wasn't fun. Using Gjally was fun.

But if all you care about is acquiring it, I much prefer skill based methods like Black Spindle, or Redrix Claymore. You don't see me complaining about Redrix. But being arbitrarily punished because RNG hates you is not at all enticing.

The "Well of Radiance" subclass tree getting healing for grenades is super legit. That's the type of stuff players are interested in when it comes to building a character. Not necessarily talking about playing a support rather, but actually being able to make a decision like "I'm a player that wants to support allies, I'm going to run Well of Radiance and use gear to enhance that" is a really good step to what Destiny should be striving for. If I can also make decisions like "I want to play a character that is more defensive" or "I want to play a character that focuses on manipulating the battlefield", then this will be a strong boon for the game.

Right now our choices on how we want to play are so painfully limited. We are all supremely damage oriented, we have very few synergies, and we are split wholly between being Single Target or Add-Clear. More variation is good and healthy.

Here is what it looks like, btw:
 

Smokey_Run

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,631
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.
I chased the Gjarllarhorn for a good 1000+ hours in D1 until it was sold by Xur. It did keep me going, but it was also frustrating as hell and I was convinced it was a bug with unlocking the grimoire card before the game came out with those codes. If you take my playtime across ALL of D1, which is about 2000 hours or so, I'm probably in the top 10 when it comes to time played and never having that damn thing drop -- which should NEVER happen in a game.

I get the sentiment of not handing everything out, but I also don't like getting fucked for 2,000 hours and the only way I got the gun is due to Bungie throwing the community a bone and selling it three weeks before the nerf.
 

Milk

Prophet of Truth
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,822
The "Well of Radiance" subclass tree getting healing for grenades is super legit.
I'm confused, what does this mean? Faster grenade charges, or grenade kills healing you, or something?

Where can I read about this new super? Sounds very cool, I love seeing more support builds coming to Destiny.
 

Jmvm

Member
Oct 31, 2017
508
Stubbington, UK
I chased the Gjarllarhorn for a good 1000+ hours in D1 until it was sold by Xur. It did keep me going, but it was also frustrating as hell and I was convinced it was a bug with unlocking the grimoire card before the game came out with those codes. If you take my playtime across ALL of D1, which is about 2000 hours or so, I'm probably in the top 10 when it comes to time played and never having that damn thing drop -- which should NEVER happen in a game.

I get the sentiment of not handing everything out, but I also don't like getting fucked for 2,000 hours and the only way I got the gun is due to Bungie throwing the community a bone and selling it three weeks before the nerf.

Same boat with the Gally. Hundreds of hours playing and i only got it from Xur nd time around.Saw guys getting Gally on all possible activities, even strikes. Hawkmoon never dropped at all. Funny enough, it was the gun i got on the day TTK come out and you had the special engram from doing the vendors round on the tower.

Ice breaker and Suros i got back to back on one hour play. Iron Banner was on, it was the last day before reset on that specific day. Remember my team getting trashed badly. And then....happiest day in Destiny until then. Decided to go for a few strikes to test it. Echo Chamber was the strike. Join in with 2 randoms. Finished the strike and the rewards come up. I honesty tough that one of the randoms got it. I started punching is character. It only dawn on me it was me that got Suros when i look at my inventoire. That was probably the greatest ever WTF on Destiny year 1.

Don't get me wrong, i love the idea and the feeling you had on OG Destiny when you get something great out of the blue. Its great, but it does not mean is good. Lets just say that i never got any of the Hunter's boots until TTK come out. That was just silly
 

LiK

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,115
I feel like Catalysts are the best thing for something to do atm. They need to add more stuff like this as they go on.
 

aarcane

Member
Oct 27, 2017
122
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This attitude from Gigz can go fuck itself. 200+ hours is an obscene amount of time. And his reply to me is totally bullshit. Games where you have everything unlocked have plenty of legs, like Halo, Titanfall, Overwatch, etc. but that wasn't even my argument. Streamer arrogance is next level, I swear.

All that time and no Ghorn? Sounds like my Year 1 experience. I'll admit the chase was something that kept me playing, but it was never the only thing. The fact that the game was enormous fun to play, Gjally or no Gjally, was far more significant. That and playing with friends (something sorely lacking for me in D2).

Anyway, followed you on Twitter. My feed could do with a little positivity.
 

Smokey_Run

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,631
Same boat with the Gally. Hundreds of hours playing and i only got it from Xur nd time around.Saw guys getting Gally on all possible activities, even strikes. Hawkmoon never dropped at all. Funny enough, it was the gun i got on the day TTK come out and you had the special engram from doing the vendors round on the tower.

Ice breaker and Suros i got back to back on one hour play. Iron Banner was on, it was the last day before reset on that specific day. Remember my team getting trashed badly. And then....happiest day in Destiny until then. Decided to go for a few strikes to test it. Echo Chamber was the strike. Join in with 2 randoms. Finished the strike and the rewards come up. I honesty tough that one of the randoms got it. I started punching is character. It only dawn on me it was me that got Suros when i look at my inventoire. That was probably the greatest ever WTF on Destiny year 1.

Don't get me wrong, i love the idea and the feeling you had on OG Destiny when you get something great out of the blue. Its great, but it does not mean is good. Lets just say that i never got any of the Hunter's boots until TTK come out. That was just silly
The Horn is still the only thing on D1 that never dropped for me.
 

JohnOfMars

Fighting Lion
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,107
Mars
Anyway, followed you on Twitter. My feed could do with a little positivity.

Twitter? Positivity? Lol. But yeah, if you followed my public account, it's mostly positive interactions with Bungie folks.

If you want some positivity, last night while waiting for the Sony pres conference, I recut the Shadowrun 360 Love trailer with Destiny footage since they're so similar (magic shooter, guns & swords, 3 classes, gliding, blinking with the same hand gesture no less, etc). Sage Merrill (lead sandbox designer of D1 & Taken King) was a designer on Shadowrun, as was Mantis (Derek Carroll).



I post game clips and screenshots, socialist memes and generally goof off. Still mostly positive, except for the ghouls running this country.
 
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I was thinking about getting a second prestige done this evening, so I started browsing LFG and the b.net forums to see what groups were going; this made me WTF:

TLDR: I will teach you how to do this thing I have never actually done because I AM A TEACHER AND IT IS MY CALLING!

I think I'll get the rest of my raids done tomorrow.
 

TheHunter

Bold Bur3n Wrangler
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
25,774
I didn't realize Giggle Monster was Gigs.

Played with him and Gamesager, hell he's on my friendlist. Kinda sucked at Halo doe.
 

Dez_

Member
Oct 25, 2017
182
You know, I got my GL catalyst, but the whole faction rally thing last week totally burned me out on this game. I didn't really enjoy the whole public event, lost sector loop ad nauseum since it was the most efficient way to earn tokens. Renown idea is fine, but it can be used for maybe other activities too to get better rewards. At the very least, strikes, pvp need to give out more tokens than they do for the time commitment needed. If this stays the same for the next two events, I doubt I'll bother to go for all catalysts, as I don't really have the energy to do this kind of thing long term.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
I hope Uldren makes for a good antagonist.

And bruv, true support class for Warlocks. I'm liking this shit.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,272
Pittsburgh
You know, I got my GL catalyst, but the whole faction rally thing last week totally burned me out on this game. I didn't really enjoy the whole public event, lost sector loop ad nauseum since it was the most efficient way to earn tokens. Renown idea is fine, but it can be used for maybe other activities too to get better rewards. At the very least, strikes, pvp need to give out more tokens than they do for the time commitment needed. If this stays the same for the next two events, I doubt I'll bother to go for all catalysts, as I don't really have the energy to do this kind of thing long term.


People who went berserk grinding sectors to me ruined that for themselves as the tokens came in just fine doing normal things such as miles, crucible, raids etc.... I didn't have to sit and just run into sectors nonstop over and over. Grinding out pes at times but you didn't have to get 5 renown and dive into sectors nonstop.

I would sit and skim around for events just starting and go in for a fast 5 tokens, and then move onto the next and occasionally dive into a sector with what renown I had.

I've seen this posted a few times and man I don't quite understand as the grind was just not bad at all. I had like rank 13 after the first day without even hardly trying and doing the basic activities.
 

Dez_

Member
Oct 25, 2017
182
People who went berserk grinding sectors to me ruined that for themselves as the tokens came in just fine doing normal things such as miles, crucible, raids etc.... I didn't have to sit and just run into sectors nonstop over and over. Grinding out pes at times but you didn't have to get 5 renown and dive into sectors nonstop.

I would sit and skim around for events just starting and go in for a fast 5 tokens, and then move onto the next and occasionally dive into a sector with what renown I had.

I've seen this posted a few times and man I don't quite understand as the grind was just not bad at all. I had like rank 13 after the first day without even hardly trying and doing the basic activities.
I don't really care for public events anymore as I find them pretty uninteresting at this point in the game's current state, but doing those and running lost sectors were the fasted way to get tokens, to my understanding. It just became so dry to me, spending nearly an entire week doing this stuff. I prefer playing PvP, but it was either get 2-5 tokens per match or get up to 9 per a 15 min strike, and none of those other activities seemed worth doing, to be honest. In the end, I did it to myself, but I don't really want to play the game this way again. I'd like to see them use renown for other stuff or at least let me play other activities without feeling like I'm not progressing fast enough.

I'm taking a break either way. It's reset day, and I basically had no desire to load this game up for the first time in a while.