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StaffyManasse

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Oct 28, 2017
1,208
You're killing Smough first but maybe try to lead Ornstein away from him to separate them since Smough is slower. Then run back to Smough to do damage, Ornstein catches up, lead him away again.

Assuming your Claymore is +10, which is certainly enough for this fight, but you could always take a break and head back to Firelink Shrine:
- Buy some fire resin from the female Undead Merchant (unless you have a spell weapon buff any way)
- Tackle the Catacombs (boss gives useful item)
- Tackle New Londo Ruins (useful item down there, but you have to kill an NPC to get it and explore this area fully before O&S)

All that would help you deal more damage to O&S and have more heals for the fight as well as give you a breather. Anor Londo seems like a long way from Firelink, but Sen's is really just a lift ride or drop down, no enemies to encounter. Just make sure you've opened the big doors in the Anor Londo main hall to avoid the archers again!

Yeah, I don't think my damage output is the issue at all.

I have thought about going back down from Anor Londo a few times, but haven't because I'm always thinking I'm just one good try away from beating O&S and even if I am doing a blind-ish playthrough I've picked up the info from somewhere that I'm pretty close to
being able to teleport
and that has kept me from making the trek.
 

Red Liquorice

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,082
UK
Yeah, I don't think my damage output is the issue at all.

I have thought about going back down from Anor Londo a few times, but haven't because I'm always thinking I'm just one good try away from beating O&S and even if I am doing a blind-ish playthrough I've picked up the info from somewhere that I'm pretty close to
being able to teleport
and that has kept me from making the trek.
If your damage output is ok, I think you got this then. It's definately a pit stop for eveyone on their first playthrough. Mix of decent RNG and being in the zone and you'll take 'em down :)


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On my current run - Took the Partizan to +15 for O&S because I thought going moveset over damage was the way to go in this fight. My Server +12 did more damage but that awful delayed moveset would probably be the end of me and end in frustration. I got a lucky slab in the Great Hollow, so happy to spend a free slab on a weapon I don't intend to stick with. Now I'm farming a Painting Guardian Sword with a Quelaag's Fury Sword +3 which seems way OP to me. I know I could get it to at least +4 for where I am in the game and I already feel it's OP. The updated effects look great, but that horrible curved sword moveset is such a turn off.

Is it me or is the Painting Guardian Sword super rare? I have better drop rates with the Channeller's Trident than this, seriously!
 

Pendas

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,669
Uh huh. My point stands.



Ain't nothing wrong with just giving in and using a shield. Everyone throws on a shield to fight the hydras anyway because they're bullshit.

Unless SOMEONE WANTS TO CORRECT ME WITH BETTER METHODS.

I don't understand why people are so adamant about playing "one way only" and not adapting to specific fights when the situation calls for it. I feel like the entire souls series is balanced on certain fights being easier / more difficult with certain builds, and investing in a specific shield / weapon / spell to overcome those hurdles is part of the experience. I can't imagine telling myself "I'm only playing this one way no matter how hard it is." Some encounters were just designed to be a lot more forgiving with a certain playstyle.
 

Randam

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,886
Germany
Let's see now.

I position myself so that I can keep my eye on both of them and back down from pillar to pillar slowly, keeping medium distance. When I see Ornstein making a move that costs him time I evade him and run past Smough and get a running R1 hit on him. Then roll away and hope Orn hasn't got the time to poke me from an angle I don't see. Repeat.

For phase two I get close but to be honest, it's not phase two that's getting me trouble. I feel like me dying in phase two is just me still getting more comfortable with the fight. I have gotten some good fights with super Orn already I'm sure if I could get two phase two constantly I can beat this.

It's the first phase that I'm struggling with.
You are using a shield for this fight? If not, try it.

And for the second phase: use range weapons. Cross bow and/or fire bombs.
Just move backwards and hit him when possible.
 

RockyBalboa_

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Apr 28, 2018
1,474
Andddddddddddd finished :-) (technically not finished/finished can still do NG and NG+)

I am amazed I finally got through it after so many false starts

Might try another character build (was never a sorcery user), I lucked out early on getting the black knight sword in my first black knight encounter. Made the game so much easier to get through. Funny thing is in the final level, I kept on getting black knight sword drops from the knights.... (only saw it at the start of the game, after that point the knights dropped their shields or armor).

Great game, always preferred the original over 2 and 3.
 

Jimnymebob

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,650
Andddddddddddd finished :-) (technically not finished/finished can still do NG and NG+)

I am amazed I finally got through it after so many false starts

Might try another character build (was never a sorcery user), I lucked out early on getting the black knight sword in my first black knight encounter. Made the game so much easier to get through. Funny thing is in the final level, I kept on getting black knight sword drops from the knights.... (only saw it at the start of the game, after that point the knights dropped their shields or armor).

Great game, always preferred the original over 2 and 3.

I'm doing a sorcery run for the first time, and it's really fun.

If you do it, I'd suggest taking the master key, and heading to Blighttown as soon as you reach Firelink, and grabbing the tin banishment catalyst and Ingward's armour. It's a catalyst that has a spear poke, and it can get you through the game comfortably, even if you don't level Dex (I think that's what it scales with for that attack).
 

Peradam

Knights of Favonius World Tour '21
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Jan 11, 2018
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I'm level 14 and in the Undead Burg, and just ran into someone who did little to no damage but also had a massive amount of health. Are there hackers on the PS4 version, or was this just some sort of bizarre low level build? Because I'm leaning toward the former, lol.
Rather than having a lot of health, it may be that they've got fully upgraded armour. Armour doesn't affect matchmaking like the new weapon level system does. I haven't seen any hacking on the PS4, just the usual bugs being abused (invisible Pursuers on spawn, etc.).
 

SJPN

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Oct 27, 2017
1,023
Now I'm farming a Painting Guardian Sword with a Quelaag's Fury Sword +3 which seems way OP to me. I know I could get it to at least +4 for where I am in the game and I already feel it's OP. The updated effects look great, but that horrible curved sword moveset is such a turn off.

Is it me or is the Painting Guardian Sword super rare? I have better drop rates with the Channeller's Trident than this, seriously!

Why are you trying to farm a Painted Guardian Sword when you don't like curved sword move sets?

One dropped for me in one of my very first encounters with the Painted Guardian dudes. I used it to make the Fury Sword!
 

StaffyManasse

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,208
If your damage output is ok, I think you got this then. It's definately a pit stop for eveyone on their first playthrough. Mix of decent RNG and being in the zone and you'll take 'em down :)


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On my current run - Took the Partizan to +15 for O&S because I thought going moveset over damage was the way to go in this fight. My Server +12 did more damage but that awful delayed moveset would probably be the end of me and end in frustration. I got a lucky slab in the Great Hollow, so happy to spend a free slab on a weapon I don't intend to stick with. Now I'm farming a Painting Guardian Sword with a Quelaag's Fury Sword +3 which seems way OP to me. I know I could get it to at least +4 for where I am in the game and I already feel it's OP. The updated effects look great, but that horrible curved sword moveset is such a turn off.

Is it me or is the Painting Guardian Sword super rare? I have better drop rates with the Channeller's Trident than this, seriously!

Yeah, I'm sure I'll get them eventually. I mean, I feel that way now. I'll report how it it goes after tonight'' session.

You are using a shield for this fight? If not, try it.

And for the second phase: use range weapons. Cross bow and/or fire bombs.
Just move backwards and hit him when possible.

Yeah I got a shield but I've felt like dodging / evading feels better in this fight. I'll give it a go.
 

Melhisedek

Member
Oct 27, 2017
320
Guys I killed the gargoyles and I wonder where I should go next? I wen't to darkroot garden but got mauled by Hydra on one side or those giant knights on the other side. Is that to high of a level for me yet, should I go somewhere else? I got the elite knight armor set, but it is quite heavy so I got pretty slow and slow roll (wear ordinaire knight set now). My endurance is at 25 right now
 

Divius

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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The Netherlands
Guys I killed the gargoyles and I wonder where I should go next?
Congrats! Remember that bridge with the big red dragon? On the side where you first approached it there is a door, and you have probably picked up the key (Basement Key) for that door near the church you just completed.

edit: Also, before the hydra and those crystal knights there is a door that leads back up to Undead Burg, you'll find a tough enemy there that has a ring that might help with you.
 

Nerokis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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Rather than having a lot of health, it may be that they've got fully upgraded armour. Armour doesn't affect matchmaking like the new weapon level system does. I haven't seen any hacking on the PS4, just the usual bugs being abused (invisible Pursuers on spawn, etc.).

Hmm... His armor looked leatherish, and he had enough health to have a thick red bar over the usual one. And to take a handful of backstabs.

You might be right that it wasn´t a hacking thing, though. After that dude, I went through several PvP encounters with people who had ridiculous builds for that level (e.g., one person killed me with a spell that resembled Dark Beads or whatever), so I´m guessing that was just another one of those.
 

ghibli99

Member
Oct 27, 2017
17,859
I'm running quality build with strength being the top stat. Using claymore two handed for this fight. Fast rolling to evade.

I'm focusing on killing Smough first because I know that's a thing and I want Ornstein's gear. I feel like I'm too far gone to change priorities at this point anyway.
You know, I didn't even know it was common to go after Smough first when I was playing this for the first time. I just assumed Ornstein was the first target because he takes so much damage and his speed is a problem, especially that fast teleporting slide he does that magically phases through and slips around almost everything. It took me forever just to do it that way.

So then in Remastered, I did it the same way and I was able to do it in two tries. I got cocky, went to NG+ and figured how hard could it be to do it the opposite way? I actually squeezed my controller so hard that the menu button on my old XB1 controller doesn't work anymore. I was able to do it, but it was a lesson that I should probably do my Smough first run every time on NG, and then do it the way I'm more comfortable with in NG+.

I was so ill-prepared for Ornstein's second phase that I never thought I'd do it. It was like Four Kings in NG+ without good DPS. Like always with these games though, sometimes the RNG just goes your way and you end up getting through it, even though you feel like there's no way you can do it again.

You'll get it. :) Sometimes a short break to regroup and clear your mind is all it takes. Good luck!
 

Red Liquorice

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,082
UK
I think in general people go for Ornstein first because the consensus is Super Smough is easier. As a loot whore I always go for Super Ornstein so I'm used to fighting him, but I can see how Super Smough is easier, he can be easily chain staggered.
 

xenocide

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,307
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Beat Artorias first try. I think his difficulty is vastly overstated. He telegraphs all of his attacks quite noticeably. Then again, I always do fine with enemies that are humanoid. I can't kill any idiot with a sword but can't beat giant rats and centipedes >.>
 

StaffyManasse

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Oct 28, 2017
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You know, I didn't even know it was common to go after Smough first when I was playing this for the first time. I just assumed Ornstein was the first target because he takes so much damage and his speed is a problem, especially that fast teleporting slide he does that magically phases through and slips around almost everything. It took me forever just to do it that way.

So then in Remastered, I did it the same way and I was able to do it in two tries. I got cocky, went to NG+ and figured how hard could it be to do it the opposite way? I actually squeezed my controller so hard that the menu button on my old XB1 controller doesn't work anymore. I was able to do it, but it was a lesson that I should probably do my Smough first run every time on NG, and then do it the way I'm more comfortable with in NG+.

I was so ill-prepared for Ornstein's second phase that I never thought I'd do it. It was like Four Kings in NG+ without good DPS. Like always with these games though, sometimes the RNG just goes your way and you end up getting through it, even though you feel like there's no way you can do it again.

You'll get it. :) Sometimes a short break to regroup and clear your mind is all it takes. Good luck!

Thanks! And you know...my controller has had to endure a bit of squeezing too lol.
 

MG310

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Oct 25, 2017
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Probably played 350 or so hours between PS3,360, and PC and Remastered is the first time I've seen Gravelord enemies or a Vagrant.
 

ghibli99

Member
Oct 27, 2017
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Beat Artorias first try. I think his difficulty is vastly overstated. He telegraphs all of his attacks quite noticeably. Then again, I always do fine with enemies that are humanoid. I can't kill any idiot with a sword but can't beat giant rats and centipedes >.>
At this point, I have more trouble with the boss before him, but I still really enjoy the Artorias fight, just as I do Nameless King. Such great atmosphere.
 

Peradam

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Hmm... His armor looked leatherish, and he had enough health to have a thick red bar over the usual one. And to take a handful of backstabs.

You might be right that it wasn´t a hacking thing, though. After that dude, I went through several PvP encounters with people who had ridiculous builds for that level (e.g., one person killed me with a spell that resembled Dark Beads or whatever), so I´m guessing that was just another one of those.
At level 14, a level 16 red invader is the highest level you'll see. I can't comment on blue invaders because the downward invasion limit has been reduced in the remaster, and I'm not sure what it's been changed to.

Anyway, if they put all of their points into vitality, the maximum HP they could have at level 16 is 938 (without the Mask of the Mother or Tiny Being's Ring) as long as they've started as a Pyromancer, Cleric or Knight, so that's why I think it's more likely to be maxed-out armour.

There are a few leather-type armour sets, so it's difficult to identify what you encountered, but you can see in this scrubby Oroboro video where he twinks in the Burg that you don't need heavy armour to tank hits from lower level players. He's just wearing headgear and leg armour, and backstabs only take 1/5 of his health. And yeah, they've figured out how to twink with Dark Bead. Feels bad, man.
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
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Beat Artorias first try. I think his difficulty is vastly overstated. He telegraphs all of his attacks quite noticeably. Then again, I always do fine with enemies that are humanoid. I can't kill any idiot with a sword but can't beat giant rats and centipedes >.>
I had trouble with him, but I only discovered after the fight that aura explosion is also damage buff. I always stood back and took the time to heal or buff myself. This meant his attacks dealt huge amounts of damage if my rolls weren't good and it took a few tries to perfect my timing.

Sanctuary Guardian on the other hand went down in less than a minute on my first try.
 

OrinX

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Oct 27, 2017
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Got my favorite Armor/Parry Set. Game over man!

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Red Liquorice

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Oct 27, 2017
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UK
Killed Griggs at Firelink. Needed a catalyst, wondered if I had taken the loot from his room in Lower Burg, go in there and he's standing there but doesn't aggro until I attack him. Kill him again. I think I've had this happen before with Griggs and definately with Rhea where I've killed her in the Parish then when I go back to Firelink she's there aggro'd against me for killing Petrus. I guess they really are the Undead!
 

StaffyManasse

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Oct 28, 2017
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Still stuck at Ornstein and Smough. Oh well.

I checked how super Smough was on one half assed attempt and killing Ornstein first was so easy and super Smough was such a joke I was actually relieved I missed one butt slam and died.

I have to do this super Ornstein way or not at all. I'm sure some of you will understand.
 

Red Liquorice

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Oct 27, 2017
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Although I'll never like the moveset of the Painted Guardian Sword and the reach is abysmal I can't fault it for damage output and the bleed is a really nice bonus - made short work of quite a few bigger enemies and bosses (Firesage, Centipede).
 

Randam

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Oct 27, 2017
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Guys I killed the gargoyles and I wonder where I should go next? I wen't to darkroot garden but got mauled by Hydra on one side or those giant knights on the other side. Is that to high of a level for me yet, should I go somewhere else? I got the elite knight armor set, but it is quite heavy so I got pretty slow and slow roll (wear ordinaire knight set now). My endurance is at 25 right now
Don't remember what the crestfallen knight at firelink shrine told you in the beginning?

You have to ring two bells. One above and the other one down below.
You need to find the way down below now. ;)
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still stuck at Ornstein and Smough. Oh well.

I checked how super Smough was on one half assed attempt and killing Ornstein first was so easy and super Smough was such a joke I was actually relieved I missed one butt slam and died.

I have to do this super Ornstein way or not at all. I'm sure some of you will understand.
Absolutely. Sure you could save Smough for last or summon an ally. But by doing so, it feels like you're letting the game win.
 

AbbaZabba

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
628
Still stuck at Ornstein and Smough. Oh well.

I checked how super Smough was on one half assed attempt and killing Ornstein first was so easy and super Smough was such a joke I was actually relieved I missed one butt slam and died.

I have to do this super Ornstein way or not at all. I'm sure some of you will understand.

Ornstein or bust bro. I don't even use his gear, you just gotta do it though.

I give any given boss fight like 5-10 tries max before I summon, with rare exceptions :P

Currently I'm a bit fucked because I need to kill Gwyndolin lol.
 

jotun?

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Oct 28, 2017
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Don't remember what the crestfallen knight at firelink shrine told you in the beginning?

You have to ring two bells. One above and the other one down below.
You need to find the way down below now. ;)
This was really confusing to me because I thought "down below" meant
down the elevator in Firelink, right below the guy... I spent a bunch of time in New Londo trying to figure out what the hell I was missing down there
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,889
London
Uhh, I killed the egg vermifuge guy by mistake. I accidentally selected "no" and he didn't let me through, tried talking to him again and he just said "the nerve of you" so I just killed him. Am I screwed? Playing on PS4.
 

xeroborn55

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Oct 27, 2017
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Probably took me ~30 tries but finally got past the archers in anor londo. Was by the most rage inducing section so far
 

Young Liar

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Nov 30, 2017
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yo what the fuck i just had the worst glitch happen

got invaded by a spirit of vengeance on the kiln of the first flame. killed them of course, but not long after that, i heard the sound queue when you kill a boss, and then all of a sudden the alternate ending cutscene started, then credits, and now i'm in ng+!

i'd be so mad right now if this were my actual first playthrough of the game!

i still wanna fight the last boss for real so i'll just download my cloud save, but ugh i've been playing since cleaning up the dlc. blargh.
 

Kalik

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Nov 1, 2017
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I played the game multiple times but never realized that the New Londo merchant can move to Firelink...
 

Stencil

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Oct 30, 2017
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So Laurentius (pyromancer) left Firelink and attacked me in Blighttown. How do I upgrade pyromancy now? My flame is only at +2. Am I fucked?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Tips for first time players? I beat 3, played some of 2, and played 1 wayyyyyy back, but don't really remember anything. How do estus flask work in this one?
 

ClearMetal

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So Laurentius (pyromancer) left Firelink and attacked me in Blighttown. How do I upgrade pyromancy now? My flame is only at +2. Am I fucked?
The egg guy near the Fair Lady can upgrade your flame as well. I'm not sure if you have to be member of the Chaos Servent covenant, though.

Although I assume you already are, since you have chaos pyromancy and the only other way you get one of those is if your flame is +10 or higher.
 

SJPN

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Oct 27, 2017
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Tips for first time players? I beat 3, played some of 2, and played 1 wayyyyyy back, but don't really remember anything. How do estus flask work in this one?

Each time you rest at a bonfire (or die and respawn), your Estus Flasks refill. To begin with, you get 5 flasks. As you progress and find certain items, you can Kindle individual bonfires while in human form and add another 5 flasks. You can eventually Kindle three times, resulting in 20 flasks at that bonfire when you rest/respawn there.

The other flask mechanic is Fire Keeper Souls, items you give to firekeeper NPCs (like the one behind bars in the cave in Firelink Shrine), and they make each flask use give yo more health. Each time you provide a Fire Keeper Soul, you add another +1 to your flasks, up to 9 (I think).
 

Randam

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Oct 27, 2017
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This was really confusing to me because I thought "down below" meant
down the elevator in Firelink, right below the guy... I spent a bunch of time in New Londo trying to figure out what the hell I was missing down there
Down below meant even lower than New Londo. ;)
You can reach the second bell through New Londo too.
Yeah its confusing.
But near or after the first bell you should find a "basement key" and maybe you remember a door you tried opening shortly before that.
I played the game multiple times but never realized that the New Londo merchant can move to Firelink...
The guy in the cell that sells magic?
 
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Arozay

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Oct 29, 2017
326
So with the game pretty much beat now, here's where I died the most.
-Upper Blight-town (was cursed for the entire section)
-Archers in Anor Londo
-Bed of Souls

Though with the last two, the run back was the worst bit.
 

Scarface

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Oct 27, 2017
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So Laurentius (pyromancer) left Firelink and attacked me in Blighttown. How do I upgrade pyromancy now? My flame is only at +2. Am I fucked?

No. That happens when you tell him where you got the chaos pyromancy. Hes tries to go learn it himself and goes hollow :(

You can use Quelana to upgrade by Quelaag boss entrance (once its +10 or youve bee invaded by someone with a +10 flame. Or the egg dude after yiu fought quelaag
 

MG310

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just have to go grab the Large Ember out of the depths and make a Raw weapon and I'll have the platinum trophy again.

So with the game pretty much beat now, here's where I died the most.
-Upper Blight-town (was cursed for the entire section)
-Archers in Anor Londo
-Bed of Souls

It was the usual for me. Archers, between the 1st and 2nd Tomb of the Giants bonfires, and NG+ Four Kings.

Funniest death was on the road to Sif. I ran past the forest hunters but then when I tried to go down the staircase it was completely blocked by Gravelord mushroom men - small and large. It did not go well for me.

The guy in the cell that sells magic?

Ingward