Small developers like Team Cherry (2-man team) that just released a previous GotY contender on the system?
What is wrong with some of you people?
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Nintendo stock down almost 7% after the E3 showcase (down another 5.27% per Tokyo Stock Exchange)
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Small developers like Team Cherry (2-man team) that just released a previous GotY contender on the system?
What is wrong with some of you people?
Pokémon Let's Go is not a mainline installment. It's a spin-off of Pokémon Go
I think what Nintendo was trying to do was show people that this was a new Smash and not just an uprezzed port.
I don't think it was successful. They showed 25 minutes worth of "look how different this is, characters and stages that we're bringing back, change in some mechanics, GOING DOWN THE LIST OF 66 CHARACTERS AND EVERY SINGLE, MINUSCULE IMPROVEMENT (CAPS because at the time I felt it was unnecessary, But I guess it was)".
...and yet still people are still "It's Smash 4.5"
It's a remake of Yellow using Go's catching system. It's not a spinoff of Go.
The Xc2 prequel got Lost Legacy'd, so that counts as another brand new game as well. They officially suggested it's a standalone RPG with a different tone.
Given XC2, I'm guessing it's long and chock full of content too. Holding down the fort for FE.
its both, so - like the switch itself - certain people are picking and choosing a specific aspect to 'prove' their point
Absolutely, when you consider that their only new studio outside of internal EPD in the last so many years has been the purchase of Monolith, which is something they were a little hamstrung into iirc, you really have to scratch your head the decision making. The dismantling of NoA and western partners by Iwata after Arakawa left has never been addressed from an output standpoint. This is coupled with slow workforce expansion, and the apparent inability to secure enough 3rd party support/exclusives to pad their lineup.
Let's Go is mainline. Don't quibble with that. Game Freak say it. Nintendo say it. The Pokémon Company say it. Just because you don't like it or its mechanics doesn't mean it's not mainline.
Ok, let's go back to X & Y. 3DS was at 42 million as of December 31st 2013, which is a bit higher than the projected 37 million by end of FY. In the two and a half months from launch to that point, X & Y had sold 11.1 million units.
I wish I could buy some stock. It's stupid really but it would be sweet if I could buy it like it was in the early 2000s. Moar bad news plz
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I think doing that is what made people think of it as 4.5. When you go over things as minor as a slightly different gunshot sound effect it makes it seem like they're grasping at straws.
If Tropical Freeze 2 had all the same levels as TF1, but they added an extra icon to the UI and gave DK a different grunt, people wouldn't be jumping for joy about that either.
That said the 4.5 comments are still dumb.
The hyperbole in this thread is ridiculous. Pumping out genre defining titles like Zelda and Mario isn't going to happen every year. They had everything lined up for year one and did not anticipate the wild success of year one. Nobody did.
Yet here they are in year two with a sequel to the best selling Pokémon generation, Smash with every single character that's ever been in the franchise (many that have been changed), a brand new Kirby that sold above expectations, a couple of Mario spinoffs poised to do the same, ports of old titles from Wii U that did better than their original releases, a bevy of indies headlined by the excellent Hollow Knight, and third party support that's still better than what they've had in the past. Not to mention getting one of the biggest games in the world. We're also going to have at least one more direct with some potential for the early year of 2019 before their fiscal year ends. Stop with the drive by "lolz ports" and the doom and gloom forecasts. When was the last time a console has ever done worse in its second year than its first? If nearly 18 million is what was sold in the first year then it's safe to predict at least another 18 million.
What you all are forgetting is that last year's hits are still relevant. Just to use an anecdote, most of my friends don't have Switches. One just received one as a present and he's raving about Zelda and Mario Kart. Another is in the market just for Mario Kart. For all of you that bought a Switch last year and played these last year, great! Nintendo isn't targeting you to sell you another console. But there are still a lot of people that didn't buy a Switch last year and there is a reason Nintendo has kept last year's games relevant with continuous updates and DLC.
Nintendo has had a much better initial two years than the Xbox One or PS4. I'm not sure how some of you can be so down on the Switch. And that's before we consider how stacked 2019 is guaranteed to be with Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Daemons X Machina, Pokémon mainline, and likely Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4.
Yet here they are in year two with a sequel to the best selling Pokémon generation, Smash with every single character that's ever been in the franchise (many that have been changed), a brand new Kirby that sold above expectations, a couple of Mario spinoffs poised to do the same, ports of old titles from Wii U that did better than their original releases, a bevy of indies headlined by the excellent Hollow Knight, and third party support that's still better than what they've had in the past. Not to mention getting one of the biggest games in the world. We're also going to have at least one more direct with some potential for the early year of 2019 before their fiscal year ends. Stop with the drive by "lolz ports" and the doom and gloom forecasts. When was the last time a console has ever done worse in its second year than its first? If nearly 18 million is what was sold in the first year then it's safe to predict at least another 18 million.
What you all are forgetting is that last year's hits are still relevant. Just to use an anecdote, most of my friends don't have Switches. One just received one as a present and he's raving about Zelda and Mario Kart. Another is in the market just for Mario Kart. For all of you that bought a Switch last year and played these last year, great! Nintendo isn't targeting you to sell you another console. But there are still a lot of people that didn't buy a Switch last year and there is a reason Nintendo has kept last year's games relevant with continuous updates and DLC.
Nintendo has had a much better initial two years than the Xbox One or PS4. I'm not sure how some of you can be so down on the Switch. And that's before we consider how stacked 2019 is guaranteed to be with Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Daemons X Machina, Pokémon mainline, and likely Bayonetta 3 and Metroid Prime 4.
I wanna hug your wife. ;( Fucking hell, I just want an Animal Crossing tease Nintendo!
This is basically the same thing me and my friend argued yesterday about as well him pissing me off and sending me garbage Nintendo is Doom graph that I can't read. No matter what I tell him about this drop mean nothing and will rise again because both Pokemon+Smash will sell gang buster he keep saying and using the assumption of no 3rd party support, no Re2, no DMCV BS to prove a point. We got some new and mostly old 3rd Party ports but those ports are still 3rd party support right?
I think the main problem for investors is that the conference didn't inspire confidence in Nintendo's capability to keep up with the competition.
They did the "we're focusing on one game" approach before but it was BotW. When the most discussed aspect of the game you've focused on is whether it counts as a new game or not, you're in trouble. They announced almost nothing to fill the coming months and again, in the perspective of investors, the impression that the Switch is yet another Nintendo console with barebones 3rd party support and that Nintendo seems to be struggling to supply with first and second party software.
Everybody is talking about Cyberpunk and Battlefield and Assassin's Creed Origins and Call of Duty and Resident Evil 2 and you (the investor) are sitting there thinking "when this barrage of games will start hitting at the end of summer, what do we have?". Sony's getting headlines with TLOU2, Spiderman is getting huge attention and again, is Fire Emblem or even Smash getting the same traction? The Switch is going to be a success story no matter what, but the even Wii was a rollercoaster for investors and their concern is understandable.
They did the "we're focusing on one game" approach before but it was BotW. When the most discussed aspect of the game you've focused on is whether it counts as a new game or not, you're in trouble. They announced almost nothing to fill the coming months and again, in the perspective of investors, the impression that the Switch is yet another Nintendo console with barebones 3rd party support and that Nintendo seems to be struggling to supply with first and second party software.
Everybody is talking about Cyberpunk and Battlefield and Assassin's Creed Origins and Call of Duty and Resident Evil 2 and you (the investor) are sitting there thinking "when this barrage of games will start hitting at the end of summer, what do we have?". Sony's getting headlines with TLOU2, Spiderman is getting huge attention and again, is Fire Emblem or even Smash getting the same traction? The Switch is going to be a success story no matter what, but the even Wii was a rollercoaster for investors and their concern is understandable.
To be fair, the Direct focused too much on Smash imho, they should have shown more titles or a few surprise announcements...
I think those oeole are overreacting. Why would it be doomed? They are forecasting near 20mil units in thier second year. I could be wrong but that's more than any year for the ps4 I think. Regardless that crazy for no price drops yet too. Will they hit it who knows bit I think at the very least they will be close.
Something tells me if Fire Emblem was 2018, the concern for the year would be significantly lower.
So for this year we have
Sushi Striker
Kirby Star Allies
Mario Tennis Aces
Octopath Travellor
Super Mario Party
Pokémon Let's Go
Super Smash Bros Ultimate
XC2 prequel going Lost Legacy route
Ports we have
Bayonetta 2
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Hyrule Warriors Deluxe
Captain Toad
I mean resume wise it isn't as good but it's not terrible by any means.
So for this year we have
Sushi Striker
Kirby Star Allies
Mario Tennis Aces
Octopath Travellor
Super Mario Party
Pokémon Let's Go
Super Smash Bros Ultimate
XC2 prequel going Lost Legacy route
Ports we have
Bayonetta 2
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Hyrule Warriors Deluxe
Captain Toad
I mean resume wise it isn't as good but it's not terrible by any means.
Nintendo wouldn't have made a distinction between Pokemon Let's Go and the "core pokemon series" if Pokemon Let's Go was a mainline installment
Watch the Let's Go presentation. Ishihara outright says it's a mainline title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ_qtyOa5Dg&t=17m25s
I wanted but didn't get my hopes up about new AC game (the mobile game is fun but not the same) or maybe a slight Switch price drop. I'm sure there's a good chunk of Nintendo fans like myself who don't care much about Smash... or Pokemon. Not digging at those games tho, just saying.
I'm not saying its easy - I'm saying that if you are a console manufacturer, with nearly zero third party AAA support then you need to be in a position to fill that void with your own games. If you can't do that then you need to expand your resources / devs teams to get to a point where you can.
Nintendo have woefully under expanded in the last 10 years - they are putting out less ambitious, AAA content the vast majority of third parties (who, incidentally, are giving them zero support).
And the major problem with all of that is that Sony and MS are ready to transition in the next gen. They're revving the engines: next E3 may already seem them announce the new consoles.
So you have a console that is already a full generation behind in power that is just hitting its stride and that Nintendo isn't exactly flooding with software, and when you'll finally reach the point where its game library can rightfully stand up to the competition, they will have moved on.
I think what's worrying the investors is that the videogame market is growing and changing at an accellerating pace, and Nintendo seems to be really struggling to keep up.
So you have a console that is already a full generation behind in power that is just hitting its stride and that Nintendo isn't exactly flooding with software, and when you'll finally reach the point where its game library can rightfully stand up to the competition, they will have moved on.
I think what's worrying the investors is that the videogame market is growing and changing at an accellerating pace, and Nintendo seems to be really struggling to keep up.
Well an easy one to figure out right now is the same fucking franchise people are pissed about not seeing, YET AGAIN.
With the exception of Pokemon, feels like a best of Wii U year.
EDIT: Well, maybe Octopath is the other exception.
How are they "struggling to keep up"? Because they didn't show Metroid Prime footage?
Tbf banjo man wasn't part of the main conference that was a pre event. And what about Metroid prime 4 announced last year :p
It was a pretty weak showing on top of a fairly weak 2018 as far as release schedules go, so unsurprising.
It'll rebound sooner than later, the real problem is this just prevents Nintendo stock from being any higher than it's been the past few months until they show some new info.
I think a part of the audience is in denial. Sure, Smash will do big numbers. 10 millions in a year? Maybe! But that's not something extraordinary anymore. God of War is going to do that. And God of War is just one of the many, many multimillion games that the PS4 will see in one years.
Nintendo isn't in danger, because their business model is perfectly self-sustainable. It's just becoming less and less attractive for investors.
Still not bad at all.
Mario Tennis Aces, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, and Octopath all look incredible so there is that.
The Wii U games ported are great games.
Sushi Striker and Kirby are not great games but good enough.
Mario Party is Iffy
You don't need it if you have the physical version of the DLC, no. But I would recommend playing X2 first i fyou haven't.
Also how come Wii U ports are seen as a bad thing? I bought my Switch for a Wii U port (Zelda lol). Plenty of people who never bothered with that thing and it would be unfair to let those games rot away on a trash system, porting takes less effort than making brand new games but to a lot of people they might as well be brand new.
Okay fine, they define it as mainline. So it's a mainline game that falls drastically behind the standards that the series has set, removes a lot of the core features, and adds in a mechanic from a mobile game.
Second point seems kind of apples to oranges. 3DS already HAD 42 million. Switch is projected to have 37 million, a lot of that projection would be based on their expectations for Pokemon.
I was more referring to their last two years of the Wii U but yeah you're right lmao. If you look at it that way they really went the total opposite of the golden years of the wii u.
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