My favourite series is Tirisfal Glades to Silverpine Forest to Hillsbrad Foothills then to both the Plaguelands. Basically the Forsaken "route".
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World of Warcraft |OT| Calm Before the Storm
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My favourite series is Tirisfal Glades to Silverpine Forest to Hillsbrad Foothills then to both the Plaguelands. Basically the Forsaken "route".
"confirmed" is a bit much, but interesting nonetheless. Also makes like absolutely no sense given the current story progression. Blood trolls are as full-on evil as pretty much any antagonist group/race (Eredar, Outland Fel orcs, etc) so I'm curious what would cause such a turn around.
WoW is going full anime and The Blood Trolls will realize that the power of friendship is stronger than any old god power.
It's hard for me to separate my deep, deep nostalgia for those starting zones, the memories of the early guilds, etc., from the story. Goldshire to Westfall to Redridge to Duskwood to Stranglethorn Vale has so many feels, along with Dun Morogh to Loch Modan to Wetlands to Hillsbrad to Arathi. The magic of doing Deadmines for the first time on the Defias quest line...
I'm getting maudlin just thinking of them!
I think saying what faction she is would be important, since the cata/vanilla experiences are almost completely separate by faction.
I think Stonetalon Mountains if she's horde is way up there. (I have barely done any alliance post cataclysm).
Once we're talking about expansions:
I wouldn't go to tbc, would go to wrath, and I'm not sure how many zones in wrath you have to do to go 60-80, but I'd say Scholazar, Zuldrak, Storm Peaks, Icecrown are probably the best stories, though you might want to do some of the lower 4 zones in order to get some plot stuff I'm not really sure how it would work skipping around.
I think for Cataclysm Uldum is really fun the first time, Hyjal is good, honestly thinking about it all of the cata zones are pretty good, but it also competes with MoP. Ithink all of the mop zones are ALSO good. I think that would honestly come down to whether she likes the panda/eastern aesthetic or not.
I'm struggling to just pick single zones once you hit Cata actually. I know which ones I prefer, but I think storywise they're all pretty equal after that.
I think Stonetalon Mountains if she's horde is way up there. (I have barely done any alliance post cataclysm).
Once we're talking about expansions:
I wouldn't go to tbc, would go to wrath, and I'm not sure how many zones in wrath you have to do to go 60-80, but I'd say Scholazar, Zuldrak, Storm Peaks, Icecrown are probably the best stories, though you might want to do some of the lower 4 zones in order to get some plot stuff I'm not really sure how it would work skipping around.
I think for Cataclysm Uldum is really fun the first time, Hyjal is good, honestly thinking about it all of the cata zones are pretty good, but it also competes with MoP. Ithink all of the mop zones are ALSO good. I think that would honestly come down to whether she likes the panda/eastern aesthetic or not.
I'm struggling to just pick single zones once you hit Cata actually. I know which ones I prefer, but I think storywise they're all pretty equal after that.
Anyone happen to be in a (US) guild selling heroic Argus kills? I've been trying to find one for a decent price without much luck. I'm decently geared (949 ilvl with Tier 21 4-piece), I just don't have the patience to sit through a full run anymore and finding a run at Argus already is impossible to get into without having already done him.
.....Christie Golden cannot write a morally grey Sylvanas to save her life, lol.
The spots in 'Before the Storm' where she tries are evident, but 80% of Sylvanas is evil monologuing/plotting, and 15% is her constantly commenting on how she's emotionally numb save for hate. (Though to be fair, some of that is based off of her old characterization in previous xpacs, but even so, it's still not great) - And even if her actions in the book's climax are 'justified', it just gets used as an excuse to keep the whole cycle of hatred and fighting going, rather than seeming natural.
The only 'grey'/bad thing the alliance does is
- other than that, there's barely any focus on the 'little guys' to offset things, and Anduin gets the lion's share of the book being the best Priest EVAR.
I'm not filled with hope for Sylvanas' direction in BFA based off of this, lmao.
edit: Like, it's so blatant as to literally set up
The spots in 'Before the Storm' where she tries are evident, but 80% of Sylvanas is evil monologuing/plotting, and 15% is her constantly commenting on how she's emotionally numb save for hate. (Though to be fair, some of that is based off of her old characterization in previous xpacs, but even so, it's still not great) - And even if her actions in the book's climax are 'justified', it just gets used as an excuse to keep the whole cycle of hatred and fighting going, rather than seeming natural.
The only 'grey'/bad thing the alliance does is
allowing Calia Menethil to come to the meeting and subsequently break her word and proclaim herself the true heir of Lordaeron after swearing to Anduin that she wouldn't do so)
I'm not filled with hope for Sylvanas' direction in BFA based off of this, lmao.
edit: Like, it's so blatant as to literally set up
Celia as a replacement for Sylvanas and neatly slot in to rulership of Lordaeron by now being a holy undead, not that it'll likely happen
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Yeah, I'm hoping this is all just a set-up for a swerve down the road with Sylvanas, but it doesn't seem promising at the moment.
Probably the Chronicles books, since they're basically the canon foundation for the lore now.
Well they did manage to subvert our expectations with Illidan just as everyone was dreading they're redeeming him so that's not out of the question. I wouldn't exactly count on it though, for sure.
My girlfriend is amazed by WoW she was running around org asking me about peoples mounts and armor and it blew her mind when I told her everything was a drop or from PVP all earnable in the game she mostly plays Korean mmos where everything is from a lootbox or an expensive cash shop.
I received my copy of the book yesterday and left it on my desk at home when I left for work this morning. -_-
Storytelling panel in just under 2.5 hrs at E3: http://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/e3-2018-world-of-warcraft-storytelling-panel-schedule
Still had to play through all the junk though, so doesn't really change how crappy it was.
Hard / cheap swerves aren't much better.
I think what was actually said was that the 'rationale' for the war would be morally grey.....but given the recent datamining of the changes to Sylvanas' speech during the burning of Teldrassil, that seems unlikely.
And to me, at least, it's hard to see a morally grey war when Anduin is literally a priest-king in shining armor, bathed and ensconced in the light - with that much 'goodness' (hell, even Greymane 'repents' of a sort for his blanket hatred of the forsaken), the shadows cast on the horde/Sylvanas make them look that much more dark/evil.
Unless something changes in the pre-patch storyline, Before the Storm mentions multiple times on how he doesn't want to destroy the horde at all, nor use the azerite to make weapons.
There needs to be some 'big asshole' character in the Alliance to hate....and like I said, Greymane can't really fulfill that role any longer, unless they take him in a different direction.
As for Sylvanas, any 'potential/arguable' goodness in the three sisters comic is eradicated in Before the Storm - she goes from being an asshole to a literal tyrant 'rule by fear' Overlord in the same vein as Arthas.
(Which could potentially be where the about-face eventually comes from, but at this point I don't think I'd trust Blizzard to pull it off)
The Death Knight class hall storyline is pretty clear that Bolvar is being corrupted / losing his humanity, so we may have a Lich Queen sooner rather than later.
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A friend and I might be joining WoW soon and trying it out, is there a specific realm for a ResetERA guild? Just curious, along with that -- are there any specific addons I/we should know about?
A friend and I might be joining WoW soon and trying it out, is there a specific realm for a ResetERA guild? Just curious, along with that -- are there any specific addons I/we should know about?
There is no dedicated Era guild, we are all spread out across regions, time zones and servers.
Specific addons, you probably don't need any if you're first starting out. I'd highly recommend Deadly Boss Mods (aka DBM), or BigWigs alternatively (just get one, you don't need or want both) - these will help you greatly when you do dungeon bosses and stuff because they'll warn you about fight mechanics that are coming up. If you want to go a bit deeper I'd recommend WeakAuras, which is a very powerful tool for tracking and displaying information in an extremely customizable fashion - you can set up timers, keep track of all your cooldowns without looking at your ability bars, etc. Just note that because WA is so powerful, it also has a bit of a learning curve. I'd probably also recommend an action bar mod such as Bartender, since I'm not a huge fan of the base UI. If you're going to heal, get a raid/party frame addon like Grid or Vuhdo (Vuhdo does a lot more than that but you don't necessarily need to worry about that right now).
I'm an Alliance player, but even as an Alliance player I feel like the Horde got a pretty rotten deal in Legion (story wise). I'm would be fine with them coming out ahead in BfA. But I really don't see any problem with the current characterization of Anduin and Sylvanas.
Anduin has been playing the peacemaker for many expansions. It would be out of character for him to suddenly be a warhawk. And IMO Sylvanas has been blatantly evil ever since Cataclysm.
The real trouble is that the story would work a lot better with different leaders. Varian, for example, is a lot more plausible as an Alliance King who might be pushed into an aggressive war with the Horde. The trouble is I don't think Blizzard thinks these things through far enough head. I think a lot of the time they do things because it is 'cool' and don't consider the consequences.
As things are, I suppose you can say that Jaina will likely be a fairly xenophobic voice on the Alliance side. But that isn't quite the same as what Sylvanas appears to be doing in BfA. Hopefully we are wrong.
I agree with you on the Varian point. They mentioned yesterday that they're trying to weave stories through multiple expansions now but a lot of choices just seem shortsighted. Especially when death in this universe is handled like a comic book death. And I feel like any and all bad behavior this expansion will be hand waved by "old god influence lol" so idk. There's parts of the story in BfA I think would be cool but I actually like Sylvanas and think this cartoon villain thing is obnoxious AF.
Blizzard follows the rule of cool nothing else matters to them unless it's super badass and totally cool that's the reason we killed Kael Thas and Illidan in the BC and it's the reason they somehow thought us beating up Deathwings toes and chin would be super awesome cause he's a big dragon so it must be cool. They can also be the fun police just like not giving Druids that feral druid Pack form because it's forbidden in the lore so while Guardians got a werebear form cats got a sparkle kitty that's worse than our prestige skin.
I took my 891 monk to LFR argus last night, got the 1000 ilvl ring reward, got a real legendary from world quests, then proceeded to get my mage tower claws on 2nd try.
I dunno what to do until BfA now. I have a 100 paladin I can level I guess, just in case zandalari paladin becomes a thing and I can race change. Is the hidden appearance quest for ashbringer still bottlenecked by some low drop rates items that sell for thousands of gold?
I dunno what to do until BfA now. I have a 100 paladin I can level I guess, just in case zandalari paladin becomes a thing and I can race change. Is the hidden appearance quest for ashbringer still bottlenecked by some low drop rates items that sell for thousands of gold?
We raided a normal, alt run of Antorus last night and I was able to DPS on my mage which never happens. It was fun because it was something random with a guild group but I'm so tired of gearing and running mythics AND TANKING (this expasion) that nothing really drives me to sign on. I'd love to do the mage tower on other characters but DK and possibly Mage are all I'm realistically getting. Hopefully the Q&A reveals the prepatch date so I have something to look forward to.
The worse thing is that they STILL have Alliance characters available that could be aggressive and cross the line and they are actively turning them into Anduin.
Jaina, Genn, and Tyrande would all still be well within character to just say fuck it and start slaughtering innocent Horde villages, but Tyrande hasn't done shit except be Malfurion's wife and Genn actually starts to see the humanity in the Forsaken in the book.
We'll see what they do with Jaina, I guess.
It's weird that they still won't confirm a release date for pre-patch but I guess they don't want to piss anyone off if they had to delay it.
Well it's broken into 4 wings, but each wing shouldn't be more than 30 mins unless you get an unlucky wipefest.
One of the more important issues for me. I love flying and wish it was implemented as soon as a toon on your account hits max level. I'll take a break after hitting max and waiting for flying to be implemented. I just don't have the time to play that I used to have. Flying is a huge time saver and lets me do much more.
I mean, that's fine. I don't see the point of asking them to answer "How does flying work in BFA" for the 50th time when we have limited Q&A access to Ion.
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There were actually a few good questions in the middle so it wasn't a complete waste. But yeah, the flying and PVP questions are getting really, really old.
Class design on the beta is extremely poor right now, so it is a real shame that they're rushing this out. Moreso than any released product in recent memory, it very clearly isn't done and it is not fun to be told to wait for 8.1 for core design to be finished.
Even when things do manage to get their final pushes, we're looking about some very banal design in most cases. Legion wasn't exactly thrilling on the class front but it had some cool ideas and the artifacts at least spiced things up and offered some really neat twists to abilities, cooldown usage, etc.
Even when things do manage to get their final pushes, we're looking about some very banal design in most cases. Legion wasn't exactly thrilling on the class front but it had some cool ideas and the artifacts at least spiced things up and offered some really neat twists to abilities, cooldown usage, etc.
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It's going to be very weird to having all these traits just vanish after two years of using most of them. I guess we'll just deal but man it's gonna take some adjustment.
I only play casually so I am not aware of too much in depth discussion of the issue, but yes, it's obvious the traits will be missed. I think WoW was never more fun to play than in Legion, and the artefact (and legendary) traits were of course the reason for that.
I will miss them, but I also understand this might add problems in the future so they can't just let us keep them, or can they?
I will miss them, but I also understand this might add problems in the future so they can't just let us keep them, or can they?
Looks like many are returning in some form or another. Plus we'll have traits on the new stuff, the armor.
I'd have to imagine that the public beta is far far older than the release they're testing in house. They're probably in the polishing stages and typically betas are only used to test for some things and not everything will be tested on a beta. That's just my impression on the situation.
I, and I'm sure others as well, have known that they're going to go away and not be available after the expansion. I've just never felt like a system that added so much to the game for better or worse was really getting taken away like that. I didn't like reforging at all and didn't really feel like I lost anything when they removed it. Of course, someone else may feel differently but this just seems so major to me. It's not like we're losing just one ability or something - for the majority of classes your whole way of playing them is going to be altered even if the mechanics of the class are relatively the same. I've played since Vanilla like others here and (anecdotally) everyone I've spoken to feels the same way: this will be the largest class change for most classes in their time playing them.
I was never a fan of the artifact system for many reasons including this one. Even when it was announced you'd have to know this wouldn't last forever. Legion was a lot of fun to play but I don't agree that the artifacts made it that way at all - I think it's more because for a good portion of the expansion there always felt like there was something to do (I do not include AP in this since I never grinded it out or actively searched for AP WQs to do) and people were constantly looking for groups and content to run.
I'm sure people enjoyed the system and I do not want to discount their opinion but it wasn't something I was fond of at all. I haven't played enough with Azerite stuff so maybe I'll enjoy that more. Just gotta wait and see, I suppose.
Their internal builds are assuredly farther along than the beta build, but it still sounds like they aren't going to get to finish every class before launch. I get that they're on strict deadlines and shit happens sometimes, but you could see this coming from the very beginning.
lol @ dead in the water specs not getting any real changes until 8.1.
RiP shamans.
Like how incompetent can you be.
RiP shamans.
Like how incompetent can you be.
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I was never against pruning, which is the big boogeyman for people who want to complain, but I do not like how they've executed on it this time. With Legion it was a bit much early on but felt good once we filled it out and got the core artifacts finished. Ripping that away with little to no compensation actually feels worse than I thought it would.
Some of my classes now genuinely feel like a low level character in another MMO because there is just so little depth.
Compact kits are good, but they need to be layered and have some nuance. Losing those traits hurts a lot, basically just a handful of filler abilities makes up the entire loadout for some specs right now. They probably should have just baked the artifacts into the characters and offered up a new talent row so we gained something going from 110 to 120.
Azerite, the new progression system to replace Artifacts, is very largely numerical perks right now, so that wouldn't have been interfered with.
I think Blizzard thought Azerite armor was gonna fill the holes for classes , but it seems like they've been scrambling as of late. Look at how many specs have been getting reworked, when Blizz stated no major changes will be done this expac, yet multiple specs have received them and a lot still them, but won't get them until 8.1.
One system like the Azerite gear can't fill on the holes for Artifacts, Leggos, NLC and relics, oh yea and tier sets.
Blizzard should make class priority NUMBER 1 every expac, not scarmable and try to fix everything with 2 months to go.
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