This is true, but it also is an issue of memory retention. If it doesn't stick or just goes out of mind, then it really didn't matter much. The real question is how do you prevent people from moving on and forgetting about it?
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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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This is true, but it also is an issue of memory retention. If it doesn't stick or just goes out of mind, then it really didn't matter much. The real question is how do you prevent people from moving on and forgetting about it?
What?I remember playing Pro Evolution Soccer 6 on PS2 against mates on PC and the PS2 was the biggest selling console ever.
About the drop in shares for many companies this morning.
For those who don't know, there is a negative worldwide reaction happening today because of the US imposing $50B more in tariffs to China yesterday and China pledging to retaliate.
Edit: China just retaliated imposing $50B in tariffs in response, starting in July 6.
So yea, more global instability to come in the short term, at least.
For those who don't know, there is a negative worldwide reaction happening today because of the US imposing $50B more in tariffs to China yesterday and China pledging to retaliate.
Edit: China just retaliated imposing $50B in tariffs in response, starting in July 6.
So yea, more global instability to come in the short term, at least.
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And how would we know this?
Nintendo stock has the FN "good press," and yet, people are still asking them why the stock is falling?
Hmm...Why talk about Sony going from 49.15 to 49.12 instead of this massive drop from Nintendo after E3+FN showing up for Nintendo.
Short-term view.
Look over a month or even a year, and you can see thee fluctuations aren't out of the ordinary.
Yeah, sorry about that. This thread is just triggering me more than it should. Especially for something as minor as what "happened" to Sony's stock.
It's now on Forbes and very well documented.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...e-ps4-fortnite-lockout-but-incur-sonys-wrath/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...e-ps4-fortnite-lockout-but-incur-sonys-wrath/
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Does 'contributor' count? I thought they were one step up from user blogs, happy to add to off if they do.
The block on shared account progress is for exactly the same reason. The fact that everyone is on PSN creates a network lock-in effect; if I could take my account progress and use it away from PSN then that weakens the social network effects of PSN. Right now I and I suspect many other people play nearly all my multiplayer games on PS4 because that's where most of my friends list is. I know many of my PSN friends have other devices, but the fact that our progress in the games we play is tied to PSN means that we have to return there to play together. The platforms that Sony permits cross-progress/play with aren't direct competitors to PS4/PSN.
You really can't blame Sony for taking this stance. Why would you expect a market leader to just throw away such a massive competitive advantage? Microsoft had exactly the same attitude during the 360 era when they were in the lead. I don't see them permitting console crossplay anytime soon. Hopefully MS will do better with their next gen in 2020; that might put presssure on Sony if lack of console crossplay is seen as a disadvantage.
Thin air as in being aware of stock prices from recent past?
But seriously GIYF, don't get upset because you can easily look this stuff up yourself
Here's more thin air AMD stock up to 16 bucks from 10 bucks last years and previous, Amazon is over 1000, and Bitcoin dropped to almost 6000, want proof do it yourself
Posting things like this means you don't know anything about stocks
Which is why it's so petty as it's aimed squarely at Ms and Nintendo
Stating false information as fact to the point where a mod has to correct you is certainly being aware, yup ;)
An honest error of memory?
It's at least more accurate than not knowing anything or being able to search things yourself.
Enough passive aggressive childishness.
The point remains that the "drop" from yesterday is meaningless in the context of where the Sony stock was. Hirai was hired 5 or so years ago (google it if you want to know exactly, not gonna do it for you).
It was in the 10s and 15s and 20s when he came in. Not exact enough for you? Learn to get info on your own then.
But take whatever story you want from this thread, and fail to learn anything about the context, your choice.
Don't pay for xbox live gold and see if you can play Fortnite BR.
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I asked for a source at the time and you were the one with the attitude problem dude. "I know more than you" is not an argument when you have no knowledge of me or what I know. It just comes off as being rude and arrogant so I think this conversation is over.
They have clearly not dodged any controversy. This thread is on page 59. The news made it to mainstream outlets even on TV, not just in news articles.
It's just that their stock price is not related only to Fortnite. Which is related to one domain of their business.
They essentially pushed the reset button on their TV and phone business years ago and brought them up to a different standard, well past what they were doing previously, and recovered TVs after a dramatic fall on fewer
They also continue to make high earning movies and have advanced further into medical imaging with their partnerships with Olympus and others, and also advanced in phone cameras and other cameras very well.
The narratives being spun in this thread are shockingly poor in their thoughtfulness. But since everyone is an expert here in business and stock prices....everyone is like demanding that their stock lose money (and in effect many other people lose money) because they can't play Fortnite.
As much as I agree that they should start making exceptions or changing policy especially for such large games, the context is baffling in what people are asking for.
Sony was punished immensely in the past for leaking account information in a hack that they responded to rather quickly and publicized very quickly. Following this Yahoo and other companies leaked tens of times more data and information on individual users and they didn't get any more than a slap on the wrist. Was that unfair or discrimination?: I didn't see a thread about that here or on the old forum. Was it American versus Japanese company treatment also?
The pigeon holed and myopic narrative here that Sony should suffer for this decision is just amazing. Continue asking them to change policy, but wishing for a castastrophe on a stock response is just inane.
It is, waste of time anyway, trying to win points on a clerical error, good for you.
Who cares about stock price? Specifically short term. Any real impact from this would be seen years down the road.
Yeah sure thing buddy, not sharing their userbase with MS is trying to hurt their competition lol. Remember all the Sony Too the media and forums were doing with the DRM stuff just because MS were doing it. The only reason Sony even released that sharing video was everyone saying Sony has to follow MS's lead. ya'll make up the weirdest shit to push your narratives. Microsoft hurt themselves all by their selves and Sony has no responsibility to help them in any regard. If Microsoft wants cross-play so bad they are welcome to negotiate directly with Sony.
Hi! Do you understand actually what has been happening, specifically regarding this incident?
This is well written and captures my major problem. While crossplay with PS4 would be nice what I really want is a way to save my Epic account, which I created on PC but is now locked down since I happened to log into the PS4 once.
I know that people linking their epic accounts on PS4 aren't able to use their epic accounts on switch/xbox. Though i don't know how that is Sony blocking the unlinking process tbh. I tend to avoid these threads because its half people voicing legitimate concerns than the other half piling on shitfest.
You should have avoided this one, youre piling on the shitfest.
Sony isn't preventing you from unlinking, however even if your account is unlinked you still cannot ever again link it to a Switch or XB1.
This is a major problem because now it is possible to:
1) Play Fortnite on a Switch
2) Spend money (say $50) on purchases/Vbucks on the Switch
3) Unlink your Epic account from that Switch
4) Link your Epic account to a friend's PS4 (for instance)
5) Play a game of Fortnite on that PS4
6) Unlink your Epic account from that PS4
7) Attempt to link your Epic account back to your Switch- but that is not possible.
So because of a policy Sony has implemented, you can no longer access the purchases you made on the platform on which you made those purchases.
Worst of all, nobody has been able to find any warning when linking your Epic account to a PS4 that doing so will forever lock your account out from a Switch or XB1. There is a warning when unlinking but by then it's already too late.
Close. So lets say I buy stuff on my switch. Skins etc. Then lets say I link it over to my psn account. At that point you can not move the skins back to the switch, even though you bought them on the nintendo platform you only have access to them on psn. Does that sound right to you?
I agree with that option. LOL
I think you're right though I think the effect of "I have progress on platform X" is almost infinitely less significant than "I have friends on platform X". I don't think it's worth it if PR messes like this are going to continue. One way or another, this is a PR battle that is being won comfortably by Microsoft and Nintendo, that Epic are surviving, and that Sony are losing.
That makes sense, and i feel for those affected, i do think there should be an exception made for those affected. I guess this issue was never a problem since there was never any games that were cross-play before. So this specifically blew up only because of how Fortnite became so popular.
I think that's not practical for a few reasons.
First, future investment will still be locked to either the crossplay pool or the non-crossplay pool, so it doesn't really solve the issue.
Second, that is unfair to the platforms supporting crossplay as they are missing out on that potential revenue, simply for being more pro-consumer and cooperative. Why would Microsoft and Nintendo make concessions because Sony is being stringent?
It depends on the game, and I think Sony is trying to avoid having to decide on a game by game basis. If I could use my PS4 Destiny progress on PC, for example, that would be a massive deal. Sony obviously don't want that though, as they gave Activision a bunch of money.
As more games become online social experiences this is going to happen more often. I don't see Sony budging on this one.
What do you mean. The option is to move out of sonys locked ecosystem. No one is complaining about not being able to join sony.
Right so the movie here is to migrate from Sony. They showed their hand which was pretty much fuck off so you can either do something about it and migrate to different platforms which offer which you want or say in psn. I am so fed up with this that I literally am seriously thinking of trading my pro in for a second switch. I have serious issues with them as a company right now as should you.
They absolutely should suffer for this decision because that is the only thing that will get them to change their policies. Customers have been asking for them to open up to more crossplatform features for years now with no change, this is what it will take.
Also it seems perfectly reasonable to me that they have to suffer the consequences for their actions, especially anti-consumer actions, isn't that one of the points of capitalism?
I doubt Epic could clone the items purchased on Sony's platform to Xbox and Switch without the respective platform holders' approval.
So Epic would have to arrange a new deal with Microsoft and Nintendo to allow those transactions to be cloned. All because Sony isn't willing to come to the table? It seems like a lot of work and missed revenue (by Microsoft and Nintendo) in order to take the heat off of Sony.
The scale of what people are asking for is inappropriate.
I also hope that the media attention gets them to change policy, but asking for beyond that is definitely myopic. Should people gravitate away from PlayStation for their Fortnite gameplay for this decision in some fashion? Sure, that makes sense for a consumer to do if this is important to them.
However looking for an out of proportion damage to the company, which is a lot larger than just Fortnite or PlayStation, is a bit silly.
What people should do is vote with their wallets and raise their concerns. Demanding more punishment than what that already entails (it already encompasses potential value lost in their stock, potential lost customers for Sony broadly or PlayStation specifically) is immature and tribalism that is already too common in modern times.
And please don't go further there with the cartoon network interpretation of economic philosophies..... not even going to go there. Soon people are going to ask for Trumpisms like tariffs on companies that don't comply with online gameplay nonsense. Tariffs are also "capitalism".
True, But epic is fully capable to at least discern where the items were purchased originally and movie backwards from there.
I think that's a fair point, and if you feel that strongly then you should do that. I don't have the time or funds to rebuild elsewhere though, plus I wouldn't want to lose connection with some of the people I've met through PSN.
There are maybe 4 items that were PS Plus Exclusive. Four. Out of THOUSANDS. And those four items are in the PC and Mobile clients, so they're likely in the others as well.
FOUR ITEMS.
There is absolutely no fucking excuse for Sony to permanently ban people from other platforms over four items.
And there is absolutely no fucking defense for this, no matter how much you love the plastic box sitting under your TV.
They and other publishers have tried including Epic, Sony don't care but that isn't what this is about. It's about using strongarm tactics that don't need to be there in the first place. If Sony doesn't want to bother doing cross-play that's a whole different argument, this is about holding accounts hostage from migrating to other consoles. The reason why I brought up that DRM of using used games is because this is a lot like that in some ways because Sony is preventing Fortnite accounts from carrying over to Xbox One and Switch. Acting like once it's been linked to PSN they now have control of it even if that account started on PC, Xbox One, Switch or mobile.
Sony has already been hit hard by this.
All of the good press and good will they could have gotten from a solid E3 has been completely overshadowed by this.
All of the good press and good will they could have gotten from a solid E3 has been completely overshadowed by this.
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Has this been confirmed yet? I've seen a lot of people stating this scenario as fact in this thread, but haven't seen a single person say it happened to them.
That's a good question actually. Theoretically it should be confirmed, I haven't seen anyone say there are exceptions to the account lock involving where the account was created/purchases were bought.
I'd be willing to try and test this myself but I don't have a PS4. I have absolutely no interest in playing Fortnite after trying it out for a match on my Switch.