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Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, I still couldn't win. I think last time I tried was back in November. Let me check that file to see who I had gotten.

Level 35 White Mage
Level 34 Time Mage
Level 35 Black Mage
Level 33 Ranger

Final boss? It should be very doable at that level with those jobs.

The magic lamp Odin summon can kill the back part. The RNG route is to spam break with casters on the lowest part of boss. If you aren't playing Natural you could get away with giving everyone black, and the time mage could even use Quick to double spam. The hitrate is going to be very low (8%) but existent, and you should be able to get it off before it kills you.

The last two parts should be easy alone, the only damaging attacks should be physical which can be entirely nullified by keeping the Blink spell up. And Grand Cross will still show up, but it's rarely going to ruin you with combinations of zombies, instant death, and low HP. With haste you should have plenty of time to recover from it. Shell should also reduce the chance of ailments being set.

The most important thing is that you try to deal damage as evenly as possible between the last two parts so they die at the same time. When only one target remains it basically goes into rage mode and can just destroy you in one turn.
 

Hecht

Blue light comes around
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Oct 24, 2017
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I mean you can also get some ridiculous synergies if you get stuff like mystic knight + ranger for the infamous Rapid Fire flare swords, but obviously those require getting two specific classes as opposed to the ones you mentioned which are pretty much always great regardless of what else you get
Definitely. For instance, Red Mage is an amazing class, but ONLY if you have another mage class. That's why

Thief/Red Mage/Beastmaster (or Geomancer)/Dragoon is the worst combo, because RM synergizes with nothing.
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,483
Definitely. For instance, Red Mage is an amazing class, but ONLY if you have another mage class. That's why

Thief/Red Mage/Beastmaster (or Geomancer)/Dragoon is the worst combo, because RM synergizes with nothing.
Yeah, Dual cast is great, but if you have nothing decent to use it with it's pointless. And yeah that combo sounds awful
 

Kyuur

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Oct 28, 2017
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Canada
Registered for Forbidden. Interested to see what RK has come up with that works off being hidden from the playes.
 

Chaosblade

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Monk is worse than Thief there. W1 is trivial with Monk + Red but both drop off hard. Thief has utility throughout and late in the game a Thief with daggers will be better than a Monk, especially once you have !Mug Chicken Knife.

Monk might legit be the single worst job. It's just offers so little. Easy early game, Focus can be used on another job to utilize the Chicken Knife, some jobs can appreciate a strength boost from Barehanded... and that's it. Nothing that can't be had from a better job.
 

Hecht

Blue light comes around
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Oct 24, 2017
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Monk is worse than Thief there. W1 is trivial with Monk + Red but both drop off hard. Thief has utility throughout and late in the game a Thief with daggers will be better than a Monk, especially once you have !Mug Chicken Knife.

Monk might legit be the single worst job. It's just offers so little. Easy early game, Focus can be used on another job to utilize the Chicken Knife, some jobs can appreciate a strength boost from Barehanded... and that's it. Nothing that can't be had from a better job.
That's my biggest thing - Monk is amazing in W1. Thief is really good for stealing things early on, but doesn't even give any good secondary abilities. Monk at least provides HP+30%, which is a good reason to have Monks endgame rather than Thieves, which provide nothing.
 

Chaosblade

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There is almost always something better than 30% HP to share around. I definitely value !Flee more than that (but I probably value it more than most people) but it isn't useful for bosses, of course.

But hey, different people play differently and are going to value jobs differently. Honestly, I'd rather have a Thief than a Knight in many job combinations, but I'm probably the only person that would ever say that since most put Thief in the bottom tier of jobs.
 

Hecht

Blue light comes around
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Oct 24, 2017
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There is almost always something better than 30% HP to share around. I definitely value !Flee more than that (but I probably value it more than most people) but it isn't useful for bosses, of course.

But hey, different people play differently and are going to value jobs differently. Honestly, I'd rather have a Thief than a Knight in many job combinations, but I'm probably the only person that would ever say that since most put Thief in the bottom tier of jobs.
Oh definitely. I'm just saying in context of other jobs that don't synergize well, HP+30% isn't bad. Thief's Flee skill is great, but ultimately you're gonna have to fight a boss.
 

Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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Slightly more on Forbidden

http://blog.fourjobfiesta.com/post/174992860593/regforbidden

SO. EVERYONE HAS BEEN WONDERING WHAT #REGFORBIDDEN IS.

HERE'S THE BASIC IDEA. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH AWAY BECAUSE HOW MUCH FUN IS THAT?

PLAY LIKE NORMAL. USE YOUR WIND JOB. UNLOCK YOUR WATER AND FIRE JOBS. USE THEM. UNLOCK YOUR EARTH JOB. THINGS MAY COME IN A SLIGHTLY WEIRD ORDER. THINGS MAY APPEAR NORMAL.

IN THIS RUN, BEFORE YOU ENTER THE VOID TO FINISH THE GAME YOU MUST TWEET #PUNISHME AT @FF5FORFUTURES. SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN.

ENJOY.
 

Novel Mike

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Oct 25, 2017
2,553
It would be cool if they could use a randomizer for this as an option as well. Randomize the jobs you get at each crystal, the abilities, the items, ect. FFIV has a really detailed one I was thinking about diving into at some point.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Mementos
Final boss? It should be very doable at that level with those jobs.

The magic lamp Odin summon can kill the back part. The RNG route is to spam break with casters on the lowest part of boss. If you aren't playing Natural you could get away with giving everyone black, and the time mage could even use Quick to double spam. The hitrate is going to be very low (8%) but existent, and you should be able to get it off before it kills you.

The last two parts should be easy alone, the only damaging attacks should be physical which can be entirely nullified by keeping the Blink spell up. And Grand Cross will still show up, but it's rarely going to ruin you with combinations of zombies, instant death, and low HP. With haste you should have plenty of time to recover from it. Shell should also reduce the chance of ailments being set.

The most important thing is that you try to deal damage as evenly as possible between the last two parts so they die at the same time. When only one target remains it basically goes into rage mode and can just destroy you in one turn.
I think you were the person who told me this same strategy on Neogaf, but I only got Break on the first try and it never happened again relying on luck is some bullshit. Since the run is over I guess I could try all Black Mages now, but shit wouldn't the other ones start out with just Fire and Blizzard?
 
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Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm really curious what the forbidden punishment will entail. Lose access to a skill? equipment type? Other challenge added? Get a new class set that you have to use for the void? I have no idea what's going to happen
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,483
It would be cool if they could use a randomizer for this as an option as well. Randomize the jobs you get at each crystal, the abilities, the items, ect. FFIV has a really detailed one I was thinking about diving into at some point.
I think having an option that is only usable with emulators is against the spirit of the event. Same reason why the gba jobs are never a part of the event
 
May 4, 2018
242
Question from a complete noob that's considering doing this: do we have to use original hardware and game cartridges for this, or can we do that thing that everyone does but apparently I'm not allowed to mention, based on previous warnings that I've received?
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,483
Question from a complete noob that's considering doing this: do we have to use original hardware and game cartridges for this, or can we do that thing that everyone does but apparently I'm not allowed to mention, based on previous warnings that I've received?
I'm pretty sure they don't shun emulators for this, but you can always just use the PC version and maybe add a mod if you can't stand the updated graphics
 

Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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What?


Question from a complete noob that's considering doing this: do we have to use original hardware and game cartridges for this, or can we do that thing that everyone does but apparently I'm not allowed to mention, based on previous warnings that I've received?

The game is on Steam and mobile, so easily available to pick up.
 

Hecht

Blue light comes around
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Oct 24, 2017
9,736
I have zero idea how that happened. I didn't think Meteo could be reflected
 

TheZynster

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,285
Was thinking of doing this.

Does a normal natural run. sound like what I think it does.

Each character basically will get assigned their job and I won't have a full job party until the last crystal due to each crystal assigning/giving a new job?
 

Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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Was thinking of doing this.

Does a normal natural run. sound like what I think it does.

Each character basically will get assigned their job and I won't have a full job party until the last crystal due to each crystal assigning/giving a new job?

I wouldn't recommend natural for a first timer. But a normal run is fine.

And yeah, that's about the gist of it.



Streamed up to the Wind Crystal tonight, will start proper tomorrow after work.

Jobs opening up now, Time Mage from Wind, so I get a Freelancer start.
 
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Nairume

SaGa Sage
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Oct 25, 2017
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Looks like Berserker is my Wind Crystal job

Popular run is going to be insane
 

zyxwvu4321

Member
Oct 25, 2017
150
Starting off with Black Mage when I finally get started. Damage and healing won't be an issue at least!
 
Oct 27, 2017
304
Just doing a forbidden run to start off this year. I did a beserker risk chaos run last year and ended up having to quadzerk Sandworm and Soul Cannon which required a lot of grinding. My first job is Blue Mage which already makes this game easy. Only at lv 5 and just beat Magissa and Forza.
 

zashga

Losing is fun
Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,206
Black mage is my first job. Guess damage won't be a problem this year.
 

Zellia

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,769
UK
I got Thief yet again lmao, third year running.

Guess I'm using the job fair for the first time. I'd like a little variety...
 

Darkstorne

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,830
England
Woohoo! Black Mage!

This is my first year doing this, despite wanting to make time for it for a couple of years now. Easily one of my fave FF games. I signed up for a natural run because it sounded cool in concept, but am now thinking about the ramifications of my decision =P This should be interesting...

Donating £10 now and will donate another 5 for every crystal I reach. Not going to make finishing the game a condition for more donations, because with a natural run on my first attempt I just don't know how likely that will be =D
 

Sgt. Demblant

Self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,030
France
I've always wanted to do this!
I registered for a normal run since this is my first time.

Starting out with Monk, so not too bad so far.
 

RiOrius

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,084
I've done this a few times in the past, but the last couple years I've just gotten bored. And I just recently heard about these randomizer things that will shuffle various game stats around. I'm not entirely sure what this FFV randomizer will do (and I'm excited to find out in-game), but I was thinking about giving it a try with the Fiesta this year, but presumably that's not kosher?

I mean, when there's money involved I'm hesitant to play fast and loose with the rules. Maybe it's okay if I just don't register completion?
 

Sgt. Demblant

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Oct 25, 2017
7,030
France
Ouch, not having the ability to run is rough.
In 6 there was a relic that allowed you to run, anything similar here aside from rolling a Thief?
I'm playing the Super Nintendo version if that matters.
 

Novel Mike

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Oct 25, 2017
2,553
I thought this was starting tomorrow but looks like plenty of people already started with how many people have unlocked new jobs.
 

Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought this was starting tomorrow but looks like plenty of people already started with how many people have unlocked new jobs.

Seems like they started a day early

It always starts at the end of The Run. The buffer is probably there in case RK can't start it on time for whatever reason or The Run ends up having something dumb that takes a lot of extra time (like 4 tablets with jobs that can't reliably beat Omniscient).
 

JC Lately

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
615
I forgot how talky the early game is. No dialogue speed option in the iOS version either. Is there a fast-forward option on the Steam version? Or is that advanced technology only to be found in emulators?
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,483
It always starts at the end of The Run. The buffer is probably there in case RK can't start it on time for whatever reason or The Run ends up having something dumb that takes a lot of extra time (like 4 tablets with jobs that can't reliably beat Omniscient).
Ah. I actually had remembered that being the case in the past but since I couldn't see anything like that on the website or here I wasn't sure if I was just misremembering