This is the dumbest thing. What happened to the anti-PC brigade? I guess it shows these people are terrified on being called out for their bullshit if nothing else.
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Sarah Sanders and Family Reportedly Denied Service at Virginia Restaurant
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Damn it that would have been awesome. Why didn't the owner of the Red Hen think of that?
Also why does everyone seem to want to defend in particular SHS, one of the most vile people in the world?
They're either pretending like they're not on the other side, or they don't understand how Trump's America has led us to this point.
So sad. Too bad it isn't going to work and they are still losing hard in November. Asshats.
From the get-go Trump has caused division from Obama being not American to Mexicans are rapers, to Nazis are good people too.
And now SHS wants to complain and whine? Eff that.
And now SHS wants to complain and whine? Eff that.
Yep, they are losing their minds over this. It's kind of amazing to see....
And this is what did it. Not the gazillian things Trump has done that casts aside ethic norms and involves children in cages....
It was this...
People blew up fucking buildings to protest Vietnam. I just...I mean...ugh...
Sorry yall. America is not going to make it. Because you have those in the media and even democratic leaders telling you. You can't shame people in public. You can't disturb thir meal.
Acting like it's WORSE than the shit this admin is doing. Seriously all the shit Trump has done every acts like it's a normal fucking day. BUT the MINUTE Sarah Sanders fat ass can't eat. Everyone busts through the door like the Kool aid man to tell you how uncivil you are.
This Country isn't going to make it and you know what? We fucking deserve it at this point.
Acting like it's WORSE than the shit this admin is doing. Seriously all the shit Trump has done every acts like it's a normal fucking day. BUT the MINUTE Sarah Sanders fat ass can't eat. Everyone busts through the door like the Kool aid man to tell you how uncivil you are.
This Country isn't going to make it and you know what? We fucking deserve it at this point.
Maybe the civility he is referring to is the government clamping down on protests with extreme violence?
Probably misses that.
Sure the 60's and 70's were tumultuous, but a privleged white lady was nicely asked to leave a restaurant!
Hey I'm a black guy from South GA. My uncle use to do sit ins during the civil rights movement. There are friends he had who he hasn't seen since because they ran them out of town. He doesn't know if they are alive or not. Don't give me this bullshit that the civil rights movement was civil. My family that was alive back then were legit scared for their lives. My grandmother told me her mom would beat them for even mentioning Martin Luther King because they were afraid people would kill them.
Not only that, a privledged White woman that still has her children that she could kiss goodnight in their safe little beds, in their safe little house, on their safe little street. The parents being held captive, no home to go back to (because it could mean certain death), and their children ripped screaming from their arms, the ain't got that luxury. What few instances of people mocking these politicians, pales in comparison to what is happening with the children. If anything, the only thing wrong I see with this is that the focus is being driven on civility vs incivility rather than still keeping a strong focus on all the bullshit happening with the immigrants and the missing children. And in no way are the topics EQUAL to each other. Few instances of "fuck you Stephen Miller" and SHS not getting a meal with her family PALES in comparison to what the Trump administration is doing with these captive immigrants. PALES!!!!
CNN is trash. Don't give them views.
All cable news is trash, really. They have to keep you watching 24 hours a day, so they only cover politics, everything is **BREAKING NEWS**, and they fill the hours with talking heads spitballing vacuous sound bites instead of engaging in any sort of deep, meaningful discussion. It's simultaneously shrill and inane, and like having a high pitched squeal blasted into my ears.
"It's right there in the name! Peace protests, civil rights movement. No I don't know the difference between objective and strategy, why do you ask?"
CNN is still trash and Michelle Wolf was right, they're complicit. You can be entertained by watching Don Lemon get angry at some Trump mouthpiece but just realize they keep getting invited on and paid.
As my world history knowledge is mediocre, I had to rely on Google. Is this quote referencing a poem by Martin Niemöller regarding the Nazis' rise to power?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I'm so disappointed by Democrats calling for civility....this is about as civil as you can get...I mean fuck, the god damn potus/his admin/supporters aren't civil toward democrats, why do we have to be?
Fuck everybody that has come to the defense of this liar.
Fuck the high ground.
Fuck everybody that has come to the defense of this liar.
Fuck the high ground.
I can't believe this story is still going.
The RNC gleefully chanted "lock her up" about the opposing candidate in a god damn presidential election. They have no right to lecture anyone on tone.
The RNC gleefully chanted "lock her up" about the opposing candidate in a god damn presidential election. They have no right to lecture anyone on tone.
Unless your a trump supporter I don't understand how it's possible to be this misinformed after all the info has come out in the past week.
So I ask this with complete sincerity: America as we know it is done, right? Even if we manage considerable change in the governmental structure, even if there's enough social pushback to really get things moving, Trump supporters, while not 50% of the population, make up a higher number than I feel comfortable with. If we add in enablers from fence-sitters and the media, the number is even higher. How do we recover from that? How do we reconcile that?
I don't feel outrageous asking this, we're kind of at that point.
I don't feel outrageous asking this, we're kind of at that point.
We're done when people feel like they can't stand up and be good people anymore.
Every society has its problems. There are bad groups in France, in Norway, in Germany, in China, in Russia, in every nation on earth. It's part of the human condition to create groups. And during times of socioeconomic stress, conflict happens between groups.
Part of the problem is that modern societies are changing. Scapegoating and group conflict are effects, not causes. When we address the causes, we'll decrease conflict.
How we'll address these problems is part of the dialog we're having, whether or not everyone involved realizesd it's a dialog. Yet it is. It's a dialog about class, energy, money, government. In short, what it means to be people living in society in 2018 and beyond. What that means will be more clear in 20 years when we look back.
Right now, all we can do is be as excellent as we can be as human beings.
Every society has its problems. There are bad groups in France, in Norway, in Germany, in China, in Russia, in every nation on earth. It's part of the human condition to create groups. And during times of socioeconomic stress, conflict happens between groups.
Part of the problem is that modern societies are changing. Scapegoating and group conflict are effects, not causes. When we address the causes, we'll decrease conflict.
How we'll address these problems is part of the dialog we're having, whether or not everyone involved realizesd it's a dialog. Yet it is. It's a dialog about class, energy, money, government. In short, what it means to be people living in society in 2018 and beyond. What that means will be more clear in 20 years when we look back.
Right now, all we can do is be as excellent as we can be as human beings.
Until hamsters start eating cats, we're still okay.
We still got a long way to go until that point, but the thing is, we're already pretty neck deep in a trash heap, that it's still imperative we do everything in our power to climb out, and get on top of that hill eventually.
We don't need to go from one extreme to the other to dub it success, but we just need to remove ourselves as far away from that one extreme in our progress.
We still got a long way to go until that point, but the thing is, we're already pretty neck deep in a trash heap, that it's still imperative we do everything in our power to climb out, and get on top of that hill eventually.
We don't need to go from one extreme to the other to dub it success, but we just need to remove ourselves as far away from that one extreme in our progress.
None of this is new or happened overnight. We've been punting on solving these problems for ages. "America as we knew it" is basically the same as MAGA - a pair of vaseline smeared nostalgia goggles that do their best to filter out the things we didn't want to address. So we either decide to start addressing these issues head-on or keep punting. That's one of the few silver-linings to Trump's presidency: he forces us to address these issues or become complicit.
NYT Opinion:
We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/...nt-civility.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion
We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/...nt-civility.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion
bakers refusing to bake cakes for gay couples is religious freedom, but refusing service to people responsible for separating thousands of vulnerable children from their parents is UNPRECEDENTED INCIVILITY
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Great article, and from the NYT, usually they are too busy making both sides arguments so this is refreshing.
I mean really. People acting like Trump is just another Republican and Democrats are mad because they lost the election or some shit. Nah.
America is facing a crisis. The time for civility and just hoping things go away are over. We have to push back or we're going to be steamrolled.
It's time we face it, a large percentage of Americans are either too stupid, too corrupted, or too full of hate to see what's happening or to care.
I think the US definitely has problems that go well beyond Trump. First of all, we've burned through a bunch of political and cultural norms, to the point that it's basically anything-goes now. We could pick a bunch of examples of norm-destroying behavior by Trump, but it wasn't Donald Trump who said "You know what, we're just going to ignore this SCOTUS nominee and hold the seat open until our side gets to fill it." That sort of tactic would have been unthinkable as recently as 10 years ago, but I think it's going to be normal from now on.
The second issue is that we now have one of our two major parties openly embracing white nationalism. It's possible that GOP will stagger back to the Romneys and McCains of the world, but I think it's better than 50-50 that the next GOP nominee will be a more articulate and competent white nationalist. That's potentially worse than Trump.
Trump gets on twitter and mocks another person, daily. Low IQ Blacks. Lol civility.
F*** being nice. These people are being absolute scum to people less fortunate and are trying to play it as if they are the victim. F***.THAT.S***.
Republicans have been scum for years and democrats have been such pushovers in putting up with it. And when they're in office they still comply with Republican bullshit instead of actually pushing their agenda and telling GOP to shutthefuckup. That's the real problem with US politics. On paper its a two-party system but in reality its more like 1 and a half.
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Yep and it's quite clear to me at least that many in this thread will want Democrats to reach over the aisle to Republicans, they will want Democrats to "be the better people". It's a strategy that is proving time and time again that it doesn't work that way, Obama tried it time and time again, but they will nonetheless want it. When Democrats get back in power that's what we have to look forward to from "in the middle" posters. Joy.
This is what the Republicans do best. Do you think that SHS even hesitated to leave that Restaurant? She probably couldn't wait to get out of there and on her phone so she could start this campaign of righteous indignation. Look at how she misrepresented how the entire incident went down from the jump to make it seem like she was being victimized simply for who she worked for. The entire game plan with them is always to poke you until you lose your cool and then reel back in horror at your response. I think it's long past time to stop playing these games with them.
Yup time to stop playing nice
They dug their heels in the ground a long time ago and have no interest of holding to any rules outside of being selfish and winning
Absolutely. In a way we're lucky that Trump has been such a fucking incompetent moron who decided to make enemies of everyone. Imagine if an actual "intelligent" white nationalist had been elected, who didn't lash out against every single one of his allies, who didn't regularly admit to colluding with a foreign power and consistently sabotage his own administrations efforts with fucking tweets.
Well i mean, America (or even society in general) as you know it, depends a lot on who you are. If you're a straight white male with a comfortable life, not much has changed has it? If you're a minority, things have definitely taken a turn for the worse, but then again they were probably not great before either.
From the outside, the changes i see in the US in the last couple of years are merely incremental and accelerated. There's not really much there that is truly new, apart from the brazenness that Trump instilled in his lackeys and fanboys. The racism and tendency for fascism has always been there, it's just freely admitted nowadays.
Ah. I remember those days, when the GOP demand everything and the kitchen sink. Obama and Harry Reid rightly says "no" and the GOP runs to the media crying about how Obama and Reid aren't being bipartisan. And the media lap that up and goes along with it, chastising Democrats for "not reaching across the aisle."
Even to this day, the GOP claim ACA was "rammed through Congress" without their input, despite Harry Reid spending, what, a year or more trying to convince moderate GOP senators to sign on.
This is the situation the establishment and media types want -- the GOP to be as aggressive, condescending, and offensive as possible while the Democrats need to take a big glass of shut the fuck up and take the abuse. This is how it has been since at least the GOP wave in 1994. The appearance of a liberal/Democrat being aggressive and not taking shit from the GOP is a foreign and scary concept to the media. They don't like it because the rocks the boat. Which is why tone policing is almost always aimed at the liberal who dares to give GOP a taste of their own medicine and not the GOP that engage in blatant abuse and dog-whistling racism. Everyone has their role and should stick to it, the establishment feels.
"I have no comment on the thread topic at hand. I merely wanted to bring up something unrelated in order to derail the thread."
Thank you for your contribution. At the end of the day, what Obama did is starkly different than what Trump is doing. As is what the people who asked for someone to leave their restaurant is different than the 800 whataboutisms that idiots want to shit out.