This is the dumbest thing. What happened to the anti-PC brigade? I guess it shows these people are terrified on being called out for their bullshit if nothing else.
So what I'm hearing from Mike Huckabee via Fox News (and my parents parroting their stuff) is that the owner of Red Hen "chased her across the street and tried to get them kicked out of there too"
Hannity and Ingraham's entire show is about how Democrats are being terrorists and Maxine Waters is the new Bin Laden
Also why does everyone seem to want to defend in particular SHS, one of the most vile people in the world?
So sad. Too bad it isn't going to work and they are still losing hard in November. Asshats.So what I'm hearing from Mike Huckabee via Fox News (and my parents parroting their stuff) is that the owner of Red Hen "chased her across the street and tried to get them kicked out of there too"
Hannity and Ingraham's entire show is about how Democrats are being terrorists and Maxine Waters is the new Bin Laden
Also why does everyone seem to want to defend in particular SHS, one of the most vile people in the world?
Maybe the civility he is referring to is the government clamping down on protests with extreme violence?People blew up fucking buildings to protest Vietnam. I just...I mean...ugh...
People blew up fucking buildings to protest Vietnam. I just...I mean...ugh...
Not only that, a privledged White woman that still has her children that she could kiss goodnight in their safe little beds, in their safe little house, on their safe little street. The parents being held captive, no home to go back to (because it could mean certain death), and their children ripped screaming from their arms, the ain't got that luxury. What few instances of people mocking these politicians, pales in comparison to what is happening with the children. If anything, the only thing wrong I see with this is that the focus is being driven on civility vs incivility rather than still keeping a strong focus on all the bullshit happening with the immigrants and the missing children. And in no way are the topics EQUAL to each other. Few instances of "fuck you Stephen Miller" and SHS not getting a meal with her family PALES in comparison to what the Trump administration is doing with these captive immigrants. PALES!!!!Sure the 60's and 70's were tumultuous, but a privleged white lady was nicely asked to leave a restaurant!
Tom Perriello said:2009-10 saw regular death threats against Congresspeople & our staff - esp people of color. We were spit on, kicked and called N-lovers. NO good journo should compare those tactics then or current bullying by POTUS to a citizen civilly refusing to serve a sr public official. None
First they came for Sarah Huckabee Sanders and I spoke up because they already took all the children away anyway
As my world history knowledge is mediocre, I had to rely on Google. Is this quote referencing a poem by Martin Niemöller regarding the Nazis' rise to power?First they came for Sarah Huckabee Sanders and I spoke up because they already took all the children away anyway
Also why does everyone seem to want to defend in particular SHS, one of the most vile people in the world?
As my world history knowledge is mediocre, I had to rely on Google. Is this quote referencing a poem by Martin Niemöller regarding the Nazis' rise to power?
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Unless your a trump supporter I don't understand how it's possible to be this misinformed after all the info has come out in the past week.I have no issue with Sanders being asked to leave. I just kept seeing folks say that children being separated from their families was a Trump policy. It's a minor bone to pick, but I saw it dozens of times in the thread.
So I ask this with complete sincerity: America as we know it is done, right? Even if we manage considerable change in the governmental structure, even if there's enough social pushback to really get things moving, Trump supporters, while not 50% of the population, make up a higher number than I feel comfortable with. If we add in enablers from fence-sitters and the media, the number is even higher. How do we recover from that? How do we reconcile that?
I don't feel outrageous asking this, we're kind of at that point.
None of this is new or happened overnight. We've been punting on solving these problems for ages. "America as we knew it" is basically the same as MAGA - a pair of vaseline smeared nostalgia goggles that do their best to filter out the things we didn't want to address. So we either decide to start addressing these issues head-on or keep punting. That's one of the few silver-linings to Trump's presidency: he forces us to address these issues or become complicit.So I ask this with complete sincerity: America as we know it is done, right? Even if we manage considerable change in the governmental structure, even if there's enough social pushback to really get things moving, Trump supporters, while not 50% of the population, make up a higher number than I feel comfortable with. If we add in enablers from fence-sitters and the media, the number is even higher. How do we recover from that? How do we reconcile that?
I don't feel outrageous asking this, we're kind of at that point.
Naturally, all this has led to lots of pained disapproval from self-appointed guardians of civility. A Washington Post editorial urged the protesters to think about the precedent they are setting. "How hard is it to imagine, for example, people who strongly believe that abortion is murder deciding that judges or other officials who protect abortion rights should not be able to live peaceably with their families?" it asked.
Of course, this is not hard to imagine at all, since abortion opponents have assassinated abortion providers in their homes and churches, firebombed their clinics and protested at their children's schools. The Roman Catholic Church has shamed politicians who support abortion rights by denying them communion. The failure to acknowledge this history is a sign of the reflexive false balance that makes it hard for the mainstream media to grapple with the asymmetric extremism of the Republican Party.
Whether or not you think public shaming should be happening, it's important to understand why it's happening. It's less a result of a breakdown in civility than a breakdown of democracy. Though it's tiresome to repeat it, Donald Trump eked out his minority victory with help from a hostile foreign power. He has ruled exclusively for his vengeful supporters, who love the way he terrifies, outrages and humiliates their fellow citizens. Trump installed the right-wing Neil Gorsuch in the Supreme Court seat that Republicans stole from Barack Obama. Gorsuch, in turn, has been the fifth vote in decisions on voter roll purges and, on Monday, racial gerrymandering that will further entrench minority rule.
All over the country, Republican members of Congress have consistently refused to so much as meet with many of the scared, furious citizens they ostensibly represent. A great many of these citizens are working tirelessly to take at least one house of Congress in the midterms — which will require substantially more than 50 percent of total votes, given structural Republican advantages — so that the country's anti-Trump majority will have some voice in the federal government.
But unless and until that happens, millions and millions of Americans watch helplessly as the president cages children, dehumanizes immigrants, spurns other democracies, guts health care protections, uses his office to enrich himself and turns public life into a deranged phantasmagoria with his incontinent flood of lies. The civility police might point out that many conservatives hated Obama just as much, but that only demonstrates the limits of content-neutral analysis. The right's revulsion against a black president targeted by birther conspiracy theories is not the same as the left's revulsion against a racist president who spread birther conspiracy theories.
Faced with the unceasing cruelty and degradation of the Trump presidency, liberals have not taken to marching around in public with assault weapons and threatening civil war. I know of no left-wing publication that has followed the example of the right-wing Federalist and run quasi-pornographic fantasies about murdering political enemies. ("Close your eyes and imagine holding someone's scalp in your hands," began a recent Federalist article.) Unlike Trump, no Democratic politician I'm aware of has urged his or her followers to beat up opposing demonstrators.
Instead, some progressive celebrities have said some bad words, and some people have treated administration officials with the sort of public opprobrium due members of any other white nationalist organization. Liberals are using their cultural power against the right because it's the only power they have left, and people have a desperate need to say, and to hear others say, that what is happening in this country is intolerable.
NYT Opinion:
We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/...nt-civility.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion
NYT Opinion:
We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/...nt-civility.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytopinion
I think the US definitely has problems that go well beyond Trump. First of all, we've burned through a bunch of political and cultural norms, to the point that it's basically anything-goes now. We could pick a bunch of examples of norm-destroying behavior by Trump, but it wasn't Donald Trump who said "You know what, we're just going to ignore this SCOTUS nominee and hold the seat open until our side gets to fill it." That sort of tactic would have been unthinkable as recently as 10 years ago, but I think it's going to be normal from now on.So I ask this with complete sincerity: America as we know it is done, right? Even if we manage considerable change in the governmental structure, even if there's enough social pushback to really get things moving, Trump supporters, while not 50% of the population, make up a higher number than I feel comfortable with. If we add in enablers from fence-sitters and the media, the number is even higher. How do we recover from that? How do we reconcile that?
I don't feel outrageous asking this, we're kind of at that point.
F*** being nice. These people are being absolute scum to people less fortunate and are trying to play it as if they are the victim. F***.THAT.S***.
Yep and it's quite clear to me at least that many in this thread will want Democrats to reach over the aisle to Republicans, they will want Democrats to "be the better people". It's a strategy that is proving time and time again that it doesn't work that way, Obama tried it time and time again, but they will nonetheless want it. When Democrats get back in power that's what we have to look forward to from "in the middle" posters. Joy.Republicans have been scum for years and democrats have been such pushovers in putting up with it. And when they're in office they still comply with Republican bullshit instead of actually pushing their agenda and telling GOP to shutthefuckup. That's the real problem with US politics. One paper its a two-party system but in reality its more like 1 and a half.
This is what the Republicans do best. Do you think that SHS even hesitated to leave that Restaurant? She probably couldn't wait to get out of there and on her phone so she could start this campaign of righteous indignation. Look at how she misrepresented how the entire incident went down from the jump to make it seem like she was being victimized simply for who she worked for. The entire game plan with them is always to poke you until you lose your cool and then reel back in horror at your response. I think it's long past time to stop playing these games with them.
Yep, remember Pence's little kneeling stunt.This is what the Republicans do best. Do you think that SHS even hesitated to leave that Restaurant? She probably couldn't wait to get out of there and on her phone so she could start this campaign of righteous indignation. Look at how she misrepresented how the entire incident went down from the jump to make it seem like she was being victimized simply for who she worked for. The entire game plan with them is always to poke you until you lose your cool and then reel back in horror at your response. I think it's long past time to stop playing these games with them.
Absolutely. In a way we're lucky that Trump has been such a fucking incompetent moron who decided to make enemies of everyone. Imagine if an actual "intelligent" white nationalist had been elected, who didn't lash out against every single one of his allies, who didn't regularly admit to colluding with a foreign power and consistently sabotage his own administrations efforts with fucking tweets.The second issue is that we now have one of our two major parties openly embracing white nationalism. It's possible that GOP will stagger back to the Romneys and McCains of the world, but I think it's better than 50-50 that the next GOP nominee will be a more articulate and competent white nationalist. That's potentially worse than Trump.
So I ask this with complete sincerity: America as we know it is done, right? Even if we manage considerable change in the governmental structure, even if there's enough social pushback to really get things moving, Trump supporters, while not 50% of the population, make up a higher number than I feel comfortable with. If we add in enablers from fence-sitters and the media, the number is even higher. How do we recover from that? How do we reconcile that?
I don't feel outrageous asking this, we're kind of at that point.
Yep and it's quite clear to me at least that many in this thread will want Democrats to reach over the aisle to Republicans, they will want Democrats to "be the better people". It's a strategy that is proving time and time again that it doesn't work that way, Obama tried it time and time again, but they will nonetheless want it. When Democrats get back in power that's what we have to look forward to from "in the middle" posters. Joy.
I have no issue with Sanders being asked to leave. I just kept seeing folks say that children being separated from their families was a Trump policy. It's a minor bone to pick, but I saw it dozens of times in the thread.