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I guess what always confused me about those movies is how the first thing everyone goes to is "I'm going to murder everyone I see."

Like dude I would be robbing every bank in town and looting Best Buy and shit. Then next year I'd go nuts with white collar crime with my newfound wealth and prosperity.

Or you know, just stay inside and lock the doors.

I've never actually seen any of them, but it seemed like the second one dug into what the 1% did during the purge. Which was to kidnap young women, sell them as sex slaves to high-roller clients, and then kill them right before the purge ended.

Again I didn't see it but it seemed like that was the plot from the trailers. But the whole "human nature without government is just to be a psychotic hedonist sex murderer" is some ridiculous bullshit. And that's coming from someone who has a very, very, very dim view of human nature.
 

Poodlestrike

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If we could be assured that Chuck and Nancy would be the last ones to have his ear, it would.
If only, if only...

Anyway since it turned out that literally any idiot who talks to him last can get him to do whatever, we don't really need Schumer's skeevy ass for that. Comfortable letting him drift away to wherever old New Yorkers end up. Like Tartarus, or Florida.
 

Autodidact

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Mazie for Senate Majority Leader

And if it has to be a white guy, either Wyden or Merkeley from Oregon.

Also, I get unreasonably pissed at our media's overuse of alliteration: "TRUMP TALKS TOUGH," "TARIFF TENSION," "DEMS IN DISARRAY." It sounds singsongy and childish, for lack of a better word.
 

B-Dubs

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I've never actually seen any of them, but it seemed like the second one dug into what the 1% did during the purge. Which was to kidnap young women, sell them as sex slaves to high-roller clients, and then kill them right before the purge ended.

Again I didn't see it but it seemed like that was the plot from the trailers. But the whole "human nature without government is just to be a psychotic hedonist sex murderer" is some ridiculous bullshit. And that's coming from someone who has a very, very, very dim view of human nature.
That's why I kinda like what I saw from this one on that front. The people in the first purge were just like, "Yo, everything legal? We gonna have the biggest fucking party you ever seen!" The guys running it had to send in special ops dudes to fuck everything up and get it running right.

It looks garbage, but it does seem to deal with one of the major issues I've had with the concept: the average person probably isn't a killer or a rapist.
 

VectorPrime

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The Purge movies are stupid as fuck because the premise immediately falls apart because not only would the majority of people not suddenly partake in an orgy of murder but they would group up together and form their own defensive bands instead. So if the government just shut off for whatever reason people would immediately begin meeting and structuring themselves together to form one of the staples of the human experience. A little thing we call a "government."
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Aight, I'm bucking down and writing this "101" guide to US government and politics for my coworker who wants to be active now. Wish me luck in not accidentally writing an overly detailed history of the United States.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Peter Daou's faceturn on twitter is hilarious to watch and also makes me like him which I can't say that about other liberal pundits in the past

UPHOLD CHAIRMAN DAOU THOUGHT lmao
 
Oct 27, 2017
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When a self-described agnostic-to-the-intolerance-tactic can put into words what is happening better than much of her own news organization, and almost every other politician and news organization - including the supposed heir apparent to the "paper of record" Washington Post. People need to read this one, and then refer it to others.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The thread title makes me think of In a Dark Dark Room.

In a Drunk Drunk State and Other Scary Stories from the White House.
 

KtotheRoc

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https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1011449639881658371



NEW: The Trump Administration has targeted the elimination of pre-existing condition protections through the courts. Here's what it means.

Consider circulating.

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JustinP

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Good thread on what drives asymmetric civility from a political scientist's point of view
 

VectorPrime

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Oh thank goodness we have a special election in a few days.

NO NO fuck that, I want absolutely nothing to do with special elections for a while. The reason being that it's most likely in a sparsely populated heavily conservative area where it's unlikely the Dem will win or maybe even swing the vote that much. Which would normally be fine as yet another piece of data thrown onto the huge pile. But because its happening now in the shadow of everything going on now it won't be just registered as something to be expected. Instead expect to hear the searing hot take headlines from dumbasses all over how "DEMS IN DISSARY." "IS THE BLUE WAVE FALTERING?" "A SIGN OF HOPE FOR GOP THIS NOVEMBER?" "RECENT CONTROVERSIES MOTIVATING REPUBLICAN BASE?" etc etc etc

No. I don't want it and I don't want to deal with the chicken littles in OT who will be suckered in by it
 

Aaron

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I've never actually seen any of them, but it seemed like the second one dug into what the 1% did during the purge. Which was to kidnap young women, sell them as sex slaves to high-roller clients, and then kill them right before the purge ended.

Again I didn't see it but it seemed like that was the plot from the trailers. But the whole "human nature without government is just to be a psychotic hedonist sex murderer" is some ridiculous bullshit. And that's coming from someone who has a very, very, very dim view of human nature.
I've only seen the Election Year one, and checked out when Iowa went red while Tennessee went blue.

Also when the clerk told the anti-purge candidate "you need to win Florida" and everyone acted like this was some ingenious political insight only he possessed.
 

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NO NO fuck that, I want absolutely nothing to do with special elections for a while. The reason being that it's most likely in a sparsely populated heavily conservative area where it's unlikely the Dem will win or maybe even swing the vote that much. Which would normally be fine as yet another piece of data thrown onto the huge pile. But because its happening the the shadow of everything going on now it won't be just registered as something to be expected. Instead expect to hear the searing hot take headlines from dumbasses all over how "DEMS IN DISSARY." "IS THE BLUE WAVE FALTERING?" "A SIGN OF HOPE FOR GOP THIS NOVEMBER?" "RECENT CONTROVERSIES MOTIVATING REPUBLICAN BASE?" etc etc etc

No. I don't want it and I don't want to deal with the chicken littles in OT who will be suckered in by it
"independents make a strong case for civility"
 

Necrovex

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Excited to see the results for the primary tomorrow. Curious which Dem will win the primary for the governor seat in Colorado. Bugging my lady friend to turn her ballot in tomorrow. Had a date a few days ago to get our ballots filled out!
 

Skelepuzzle

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Again I didn't see it but it seemed like that was the plot from the trailers. But the whole "human nature without government is just to be a psychotic hedonist sex murderer" is some ridiculous bullshit. And that's coming from someone who has a very, very, very dim view of human nature.

Yeah. I live in an outer suburb, almost nothing would change. All of my neighbors are in their 40s and 50s, everybody has kids, nobody has the energy for that shit. I'm pretty sure they're all strapped so that would deter out of towners from doing anything. The only thing that might change is they'd smoke weed in their driveway, which they already do if it's late and everybody is kinda drunk anyways.
 
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I've only seen the Election Year one, and checked out when Iowa went red while Tennessee went blue.

Also when the clerk told the anti-purge candidate "you need to win Florida" and everyone acted like this was some ingenious political insight only he possessed.

I would be interested if Florida maintained it's high EV count after all the purging resulted in the wholesale slaughter of retirees to make the Social Security fund solvent.
 
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corasaur

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That thread's data driven look at identity politics is cool.

I still remain unconvinced that operating in a position of fear of causing outrage has any practical benefit, though. It feels like the propaganda engine spins it from thin air too well.
 

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NO NO fuck that, I want absolutely nothing to do with special elections for a while. The reason being that it's most likely in a sparsely populated heavily conservative area where it's unlikely the Dem will win or maybe even swing the vote that much. Which would normally be fine as yet another piece of data thrown onto the huge pile. But because its happening now in the shadow of everything going on now it won't be just registered as something to be expected. Instead expect to hear the searing hot take headlines from dumbasses all over how "DEMS IN DISSARY." "IS THE BLUE WAVE FALTERING?" "A SIGN OF HOPE FOR GOP THIS NOVEMBER?" "RECENT CONTROVERSIES MOTIVATING REPUBLICAN BASE?" etc etc etc

No. I don't want it and I don't want to deal with the chicken littles in OT who will be suckered in by it
You are quickly becoming one of my favorites.
 

plagiarize

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I've never actually seen any of them, but it seemed like the second one dug into what the 1% did during the purge. Which was to kidnap young women, sell them as sex slaves to high-roller clients, and then kill them right before the purge ended.

Again I didn't see it but it seemed like that was the plot from the trailers. But the whole "human nature without government is just to be a psychotic hedonist sex murderer" is some ridiculous bullshit. And that's coming from someone who has a very, very, very dim view of human nature.
*Purge spoiler alert*

The Purge is a cover up for a government op wherein they kill the homeless and the poor.

It's at least hinted at in the first, but it's built on in the subsequent movies. The only character who is in all three movies is...

a homeless black guy, that rich white assholes are trying to kill in the first, who joins the people fighting against the purge, and ultimately ends up leading the movement.

Never the main character. Usually in the background, but it's all there.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm kind of proud of this bit so far:

"Representative" refers to the fact that the federal government is composed of elected representatives as opposed to a direct democracy. Representatives are tasked with voting on behalf of those who elected them (constituents), as opposed to direct democracy wherein people vote directly on laws and governance. Originally, this system was designed to be proportionally representative, but now it's stupid. We'll get into why later.

:P
 

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I don't know if this is sarcasm or not. :(
No, it's absolutely genuine! We seem to align on most things. If I didn't like you, you'd know. :)

Anyway, final early voting numbers from OK:
Dems: 31,000 (compared to 14,000 in 2014)
Reps: 37,000 (compared to 22,000 in 2014)

Independents could vote in the Democratic primary if they chose, so the total number of Democratic votes may be higher, though perhaps not eclipsing Republicans' total.
 

MizerMan

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NO NO fuck that, I want absolutely nothing to do with special elections for a while. The reason being that it's most likely in a sparsely populated heavily conservative area where it's unlikely the Dem will win or maybe even swing the vote that much. Which would normally be fine as yet another piece of data thrown onto the huge pile. But because its happening now in the shadow of everything going on now it won't be just registered as something to be expected. Instead expect to hear the searing hot take headlines from dumbasses all over how "DEMS IN DISSARY." "IS THE BLUE WAVE FALTERING?" "A SIGN OF HOPE FOR GOP THIS NOVEMBER?" "RECENT CONTROVERSIES MOTIVATING REPUBLICAN BASE?" etc etc etc

No. I don't want it and I don't want to deal with the chicken littles in OT who will be suckered in by it

The Concern Squad and the Hot Takes will arrive and things will once again be annoying.
 

VectorPrime

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No, it's absolutely genuine! We seem to align on most things. If I didn't like you, you'd know. :)

Anyway, final early voting numbers from OK:
Dems: 31,000 (compared to 14,000 in 2014)
Reps: 37,000 (compared to 22,000 in 2014)

Independents could vote in the Democratic primary if they chose, so the total number of Democratic votes may be higher, though perhaps not eclipsing Republicans' total.

Oh. Well thank you.
 

B-Dubs

That's some catch, that catch-22
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Oct 25, 2017
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The only thing more horrifying than this thread are the immediate replies making the exact same mistake that Cadbury made.
We don't focus enough on history, real history, as a society when we are educating ourselves. We clean it, sanitize it, whitewash it to hell and back and so when it tries to repeat no one notices or believes it since they never learned the truth.
 

Kaitos

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No, it's absolutely genuine! We seem to align on most things. If I didn't like you, you'd know. :)

Anyway, final early voting numbers from OK:
Dems: 31,000 (compared to 14,000 in 2014)
Reps: 37,000 (compared to 22,000 in 2014)

Independents could vote in the Democratic primary if they chose, so the total number of Democratic votes may be higher, though perhaps not eclipsing Republicans' total.
That's not bad given that it's fucking Oklahoma.
 

nintendoman58

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The Purge movies are stupid as fuck because the premise immediately falls apart because not only would the majority of people not suddenly partake in an orgy of murder but they would group up together and form their own defensive bands instead. So if the government just shut off for whatever reason people would immediately begin meeting and structuring themselves together to form one of the staples of the human experience. A little thing we call a "government."

Pfft, never mind that.

People would band together and hack the bank accounts of the most wealthy people and businesses out there, causing tons of big corporations to go bankrupt overnight.
 

plagiarize

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We don't focus enough on history, real history, as a society when we are educating ourselves. We clean it, sanitize it, whitewash it to hell and back and so when it tries to repeat no one notices or believes it since they never learned the truth.
We don't even apparently look at it when it comes to shit like trickle down economics, and tariffs. People act like ideas that have failed over and over again have never been tried before and it drives me crazy.

Not all people on the right are Nazis, but we all know that the Nazis are amongst those who are loving all this tone policing because it just wedges the door further open for them to seize yet more power. 'You can't be angry at us. How rude. Be polite when criticizing us.'
 

Aaron

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That's not bad given that it's fucking Oklahoma.
Seems like Democrats have a decent chance at making up real ground in Oklahoma. The special election swings there have been wild. I know the governor's race has been talked about as being potentially competitive. Nowhere to go but up, I guess.
 

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Nowhere to go but up, I guess.
Should probably be the OK Democrats' slogan, honestly.

Nevertheless, I think we have a decent chance at the governorship, especially if Mary Fallin's lieutenant gets the Republican nomination. OK-05, like AR-02, also has an outside chance of flipping if the wave crests high enough.

At the very least, I think we'll break the GOP's supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, at least forcing them to negotiate with us.

I actually got asked to run for the state house this year but declined. A loud, acerbic, effeminate gay man would go over like a lead balloon everywhere in this state. (Yes, I actually am like this in real life.)
 

Kaitos

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I think OK-05 has a decent chance of flipping, actually. Much more than its PVI would suggest.
 

FatPuppy

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I want to see a restaurant just put up a sign saying "We refuse service to Trump Supporters. We are not responsible if you do something that makes us assume you are a Trump Supporter."
 

Autodidact

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I think OK-05 has a decent chance of flipping, actually. Much more than its PVI would suggest.
Yep. Russell's been an anemic fundraiser, and Kendra Horn's run a good campaign, gotten a lot of small-dollar donations from actual Oklahomans, and has gotten some helpful endorsements from organized labor. Trump only won with 53% of the vote compared to Romney's 67%. Those factors, coupled with OKC's Democratic renaissance, could help us win Mary Fallin's old seat.
 
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