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Deleted member 1086

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I mean it's cool that they are doing different things for different people. Personally I have no interest in continuing to play the mainline Pokemon games, so all I can do is hope that the people that are enjoy it, but I likely won't be there with you. However Let's Go intrigues me, would really like to see more if it in action for myself, but so far it looks like something I might check out. There is room for both types of games to exist.
 

Metallix87

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Funnily enough, I think my problem with this is that unlike the mainline Pokemon games, the battling is the weakest part of Pokemon Go. I get the impression most of the community sorta views things that way too, at least my local one. For example when we do raids, its more of a time to chat than get involved in an intense battle or anything. I hope if they continue to go deeper into the socalization stuff, that they make 1v1 battling more interesting than the current tap the screen fest.
I'm convinced that eventually they will revamp the combat to something more like the real games. Battling sucks right now.
 

Andri

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Seeing this just gives me a bad shiver up my spine for Pokemon 2019. I really expect it to be 'Pokemon Go'd' in a bad way because of Pokemon Go's success.

I understand Pokemon Go isn't for me and that is fine but I don't want to see the regular games go down Go's path, but I'm probably just a old man yelling at clouds at this point.

Did you know, they made a specific new series called Lets Go that does exactly what you say, just as a seperate thing while keeping the traditional games seperate from that ?
 

RochHoch

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They already said 2019 will be a more traditional Pokemon game. However get used to Go and Let's Go becoming a thing, it doesn't mean mainline is dead though.
But if the combined success of Go and Let's Go is big enough, who knows if they'll stick to their promise of the real mainseries games remaining traditional. They already gave that bullshit promise of Let's Go not straying from basic elements that started the other thread, so I'm finding it hard to trust them.
 

Crazyorloco

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Dec 12, 2017
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I like the new updates and giving gifts to friends. The game is much better now. I'm seeing a lot of friends posting their friend code on my Facebook/Instagram.

Last weekend I spent a few hours walking around catching Pokémon with my daughter. Felt good. Almost like that magical summer everyone was playing...
 

corasaur

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Funnily enough, I think my problem with this is that unlike the mainline Pokemon games, the battling is the weakest part of Pokemon Go. I get the impression most of the community sorta views things that way too, at least my local one. For example when we do raids, its more of a time to chat than get involved in an intense battle or anything. I hope if they continue to go deeper into the socalization stuff, that they make 1v1 battling more interesting than the current tap the screen fest.

oh yeah wandering around and hoarding pokemon is the fun part of go. the catching mechanic is bland to annoying and combat is awful.

it's why the whole let's go concept raised an eyebrow from me. you can't shove the best part of go into a normal rpg.
 

Serebii

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I mean it all depends how the data is being framed.

After Summer 2016, it dropped to around 60m MAU. If it went up to 75m MAU, which is still impressive, then the title is still accurate.

PLUS, it's no surprise that May 2018 did better than May 2017. They have gone full hog in the events, to entice people to pay & play, with their own special bundles. Shiny Legendary Pokémon have been a thing which have majorly got people buying Premium Raid Passes. Plus Community Day encourages people to get out and go, with a special item bundle for more.

It's a devious and genius thing Niantic have done. It encourages play and it encourages pay.
 

RochHoch

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Go is more fun than the single player part of mainline Pokémon games tho
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that your opinion apparently speaks for everyone else.

Go's gameplay is shit, as far as I'm concerned. I live in a terrible area to play it in, and I'd take actual battles over those shitty gyms any day.
 

Juraash

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Oct 25, 2017
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This game is still a lot of fun and a big part of that has been Niantic's push to seemingly always have something going on. We've had events focusing on different types or generations, leading into events with increased candy, exp or stardust that lead into or coincide with the monthly community days.

Add the new features, introduction of new shinies, rotating in older Pokemon for raids, the Mew quest and everything else and you have a recipe for a really enjoyable experience.

It's probably more fun to play than it ever has been and it's a nice excuse to get out, walk around and interact with other fans/folks in the neighborhood.
 

Firestorm

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Oct 25, 2017
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I like Go but that's not even remotely true. I very much enjoy the mainline games singleplayer way more.
Well, to be fair Go is inherently multiplayer so it's not a fair comparison :P I just don't enjoy single player Pokemon very much as it's the social aspect of Pokémon that draws me in. Go offers a better structure for social experiences outside of battling (which I obviously prefer in the mainline games).

Go's made me want to complete a pokedex for the first time since Pokemon Red.
 

Andri

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This hypothetical assumes that no Go players own Switches yet. It's very possible that people enjoy Pokemon Go and also Breath of the Wild, yet wouldn't have interest in a typical mainline Pokemon game. Pokemon Let's Go is for these people too.

The other issue with this hypothetical is treating it like a zero sum game. Nintendo isn't going to get many people to buy a Switch just for Pokemon Let's Go, but Let's Go might be the tipping point for a lot of people who also are interested in Zelda or Mario Kart or Splatoon or whatever.

The idea is to broaden the demographic.

Very good point.

The ratio of Go players to Switch owners is gonna be higher than any other Pokemon game ever managed to any Nintnendo console/handheld.

So even just convincing these people who play Go but never touched a Mainline Pokemon game means an additional 20m people(since by then switch should be 35m, minus the usualy 15m Pokemon buyers) interested in buying Lets go, all people who dont need to be convinced to buy a Switch.
 

Firestorm

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I mean it all depends how the data is being framed.

After Summer 2016, it dropped to around 60m MAU. If it went up to 75m MAU, which is still impressive, then the title is still accurate.

PLUS, it's no surprise that May 2018 did better than May 2017. They have gone full hog in the events, to entice people to pay & play, with their own special bundles. Shiny Legendary Pokémon have been a thing which have majorly got people buying Premium Raid Passes. Plus Community Day encourages people to get out and go, with a special item bundle for more.

It's a devious and genius thing Niantic have done. It encourages play and it encourages pay.
The number may have been edited because it was wrong or because they didn't mean to make it public, but before it disappeared it said it's up to 147m MAU now:

 

Maple

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Oct 27, 2017
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There is an incredibly passionate, hardcore community that has been built around Pokemon Go. For many players, including those who have played and will continue to play the core RPGs, Pokemon Go has become the definitive Pokemon experience, supplanting the actual games.

Credit Niantic for the turnaround. They've been on point with the constant stream of updates and content "events" that continue to keep players engaged.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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The hypothetical is from Nintendo's own perspective. The idea from the get go seems to be, per their own messaging, that this title would appeal to consumers who typically don't buy video games, or at least not very often. A large amount of this will be coaxing these users to spend around $400 to play the game they're already playing but with an overworld attached.

Again, they aren't trying to get people to spend $360 for a single game. They have never stated this. Nintendo's entire philosophy is to make games that appeal to the broadest demographics so that, whenever a certain amount of games that appeal to a person's specific tastes are available for purchase, they will buy the console and those games.

This is no different. It's just a different demographic they're after this time with this particular game.
 

Wilsongt

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I'd play it again if I actually lived in a city with a decent amount of Poke Stops. As it stands, the only way for me to catch anything is by dropping money, which... No.
 

Crazyorloco

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The year that Pokémon go was released... I believe it gave Pokémon sun and moon a boost. It could do the same again this year.

They should always have a big update in Pokémon go right when summer begins. I've been way more active nowadays because of Pokémon go.
 

Firestorm

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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that your opinion apparently speaks for everyone else.

Go's gameplay is shit, as far as I'm concerned. I live in a terrible area to play it in, and I'd take actual battles over those shitty gyms any day.
Well now you know!
I'd play it again if I actually lived in a city with a decent amount of Poke Stops. As it stands, the only way for me to catch anything is by dropping money, which... No.
The friend system has been good for that with gifts so I definitely recommend adding some people from the Go thread if you're going to continue playing!
 

Metallix87

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Again, they aren't trying to get people to spend $360 for a single game. They have never stated this. Nintendo's entire philosophy is to make games that appeal to the broadest demographics so that, whenever a certain amount of games that appeal to a person's specific tastes are available for purchase, they will buy the console and those games.

This is no different. It's just a different demographic they're after this time.
I understand what you're saying, but the whole point of a potential system seller is to justify the price upfront, so people will later on buy more content for their Pokemon system or Mario system.
 

Renna Hazel

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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that your opinion apparently speaks for everyone else.

Go's gameplay is shit, as far as I'm concerned. I live in a terrible area to play it in, and I'd take actual battles over those shitty gyms any day.
I think you're safe, they already confirmed a standard Pokemon title for next year which means they've got two different teams to manage the Let's Go games and the standard titles. There is little reason to add the Go mechanics to the traditional titles if they going to have two separate series going forward.

I understand what you're saying, but the whole point of a potential system seller is to justify the price upfront, so people will later on buy more content for their Pokemon system or Mario system.

System sellers still go along with the full lineup. I think Nintendo knows that people wouldn't get the system if Let's Go was the singular release on Switch. Sames goes for any other system seller. They're more like the headliner of the entire package.
 

Andri

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So unless they staff up for another team or the main team starts doing them, then those are essentially dead if LG becomes a homestay

Unless i remember wrong they have indeed staffed up quite a bit.

Irc there was a interview with Eurogamer where they said they now had 300+ people working at GF when they announced Lets Go and Pokemon 2019, which would be double the 140 people they had for the longest time.
 

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They still haven't gotten a dime out of me from Pokémon Go and never will.

Not surprised. I started playing it again after the Let's Go games got announced. Mainly to circumvent whatever version-specific Pokemon are in each game, and to get a Mew without forking out for the Pokeball Plus, but yeah.

You can't transfer Mew from Go, if you want Mew you are going to have to buy the Pokéball Plus item.

I'm okay with both "series" coexisting, but I can't lie, I'm sad we probably won't see a traditional remake of Sinnoh

As someone who had pre-plan his Sinnoh team since the start of gen 7, I am kinda annoyed if that ends up happening.
 

Cokie Bear

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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that your opinion apparently speaks for everyone else.

Go's gameplay is shit, as far as I'm concerned. I live in a terrible area to play it in, and I'd take actual battles over those shitty gyms any day.

When did he say his opinion speaks for everyone. Jesus Christ dude you really need to pull the Go stick out of your ass.
 

Skittzo

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I understand what you're saying, but the whole point of a potential system seller is to justify the price upfront, so people will later on buy more content for their Pokemon system or Mario system.

Sure, I'll agree with that, but that's why they never rely on a single system seller. Pokemon Let's Go might not justify $360 to someone but Pokemon Let's Go, Mario Kart 8 DX and BotW might justify $480 to that same person.

I don't think Nintendo is banking on any significant amount of people buying a Switch solely for Pokemon Let's Go and not having any interest in any of the other games on the console. Sure there will be some, but to most this is an additional incentive to buy, not the sole reason.
 

Metallix87

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Unless i remember wrong they have indeed staffed up quite a bit.

Irc there was a interview with Eurogamer where they said they now had 300+ people working at GF when they announced Lets Go and Pokemon 2019, which would be double the 140 people they had for the longest time.
Well yeah, but that can be attributed to the bigger workload for Switch game development.
 

Titik

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The question, from my perspective, is can Nintendo convince Go players to buy a Switch, a copy of the game, and the Pokeball controller. We're talking converting free to play players into consumers who drop around $400 upfront.
Most of the whales in this game have spent more than $400 so far, trust me on this.
 

ghostcrew

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Any numbers of users or just revenue? I remember that thread about 'is Fortnite bigger than Pokemon Go' or whatever it was. We know the Fortnite numbers (125 million players). I guess everyone thought Fortnite was bigger than PUBG and that was proved wrong. Interested to see where Pokemon Go lies.
 

Xaszatm

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I've never seen a post suggest that the game will "bomb hard".

There's a lot of people convinced that the game will bomb because Go players won't fork over money for the game.

OT: Good for GO. Only concern I have for Let's Go is the fact that only the 150 originals are in it and I'm afraid GF will take its massive success as the idea that only the original 150 matter.
 

Z-Beat

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With Let's Go coming out, the addition of dailies to help you get legendaries, community says, and friends lists/trading just being implemented they've done a decent job in maintaining it since the drop.

Though it was never really dead, just not front page anymore
 

RecRoulette

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A lot of my friends got back into it and it has me interested but I feel like I'm way too far behind to catch up.
 

Andri

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Any numbers of users or just revenue? I remember that thread about 'is Fortnite bigger than Pokemon Go' or whatever it was. We know the Fortnite numbers (125 million players). I guess everyone thought Fortnite was bigger than PUBG and that was proved wrong. Interested to see where Pokemon Go lies.

Last year MAU were around 60m, so since this is higher than summer 2 years ago, its definitely above 60m, and according to this tweet its at 145m MAU, with would be more montjly active users than Fortnite has total players.
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Firemind

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Funnily enough, I think my problem with this is that unlike the mainline Pokemon games, the battling is the weakest part of Pokemon Go. I get the impression most of the community sorta views things that way too, at least my local one. For example when we do raids, its more of a time to chat than get involved in an intense battle or anything. I hope if they continue to go deeper into the socalization stuff, that they make 1v1 battling more interesting than the current tap the screen fest.
There are people who try to finish raids with the least amount of people, with and without weather support. The incentive is there since it awards the most balls. Most people just don't care about catch probabilities.