Thanks. Others were implying that it was a dumb decision to do for some reason.
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Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]
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Thanks. Others were implying that it was a dumb decision to do for some reason.
Console wars are serious ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I own all the consoles and always have. People will say it's dumb but whatever man. Buy the console you want for whatever reason you want. They're all good.
No. both are worse when they're on top. if they did it'll be smart. or you know what will be better? if all of them cut the bullshit and the kids games and acted maturely in the industry because the reputation is worse enough.
This is my point brodie. Outlets did mention they were upset they had to start over on destiny 2 for PC, but there was no precedent so the criticism was taking in context. I just find it funny how fornite, a game that release BR before destiny 2, progression is locked at launch like games on consoles like games have always done. 8 months later 2 platforms decide to share and the fire and brimstone preachers are out for Sony blood for its "Draconian" business tactics....
my whole point is....as in the only reason I am so fervently going against the grain on his topic is because humans act in their self interest. You can make all the justifications they want but you are all being disingenuous. You want Cross progression and cross play because YOU WANT IT. It benefits you....it may or may not benefit the platform..but it sure as shit benefits the multi console/ multi-platform community members and that is that. If people kept it a buck and said, look Sony May have my reasons but I have mine. I would concede that stance and agree to disagree. Then the condescending rhetoric towards anyone who doesn't share the same fervor on the situation....I don't know...it comes off as a bit vague to me, bros. I don't think Sony will budge...you guys put the fire to their asses, but ima spend that energy on the "please work on BC" campaign, because even though the metrics show it barely gets used it is something that I want selfishly. Thing is I can admit that and don't go on a tirade of how Sony is the platform "not playing nice" when it comes to old purchases, because I'm able to admit it is in my self interest that they make those investments and not theirs. Saying "Sony has nothing to lose and everything to gain!" Is very disingenuous . Then some here pretending the take this stance claiming it is purely fueled by the desire to propel the advancement of gaming is a bold face lie.
Video game consoles aren't a charity. They're a luxury item people buy to play and enjoy games, not for someone else's enjoyment but their own (unless of course you're buying one as a gift). If people didn't stop buying consoles when they were being charged money just to play online, you think they're going to for this?
Because console fans are not a thing? I mean what did you really expect, and again let's stop wishing for this threads death. Now that E3 is over and people are returning home, more and more podcasts are talking about this, how Sony's E3 got ruined by this. It's a big ugly stain no matter how much you try to clean it.
That's competition in practice for you: consumers buy what they find satisfies their desires best. I'm not going to buy a Switch (or even less Xbox One) just so that I couldn't play Fortnite on those with the same account I use on PS4.
And again, if none of the other platforms supported cross progression in Fortnite then nobody would be pissed at Sony. But they do. Hell, even the PS4 supports cross progression/crossplay. Just with select platforms. It arbitrarily locks out Switch and Xbox from that selection and, to make matters worse, permanently locks down your account if you've so much as logged into Fortnite on your PS4 once so you can never use it on another console even if all of your purchases were made on PC or iOS. I just don't see how there's a defence force for that. We can see, on this game and on this platform, how cross progression works and how players benefit from it. We've got players in this thread dumping their PS4 accounts and all of their purchases to start new accounts so they can play on their Switch and also at home on PC/Xbox. Its affecting PS4 players. Maybe not all of them (of course - that doesn't need saying) but it *is* affecting some. It's a crap policy.
As has been said before, if you're a PS4-only player than of course this doesn't hinder you and you probably don't see the problem. But a lot of people here aren't tied to one box. We're enthusiasts, we like to own and play on lots of platforms. One of those platforms has made a decision that has made that platforms version of Fortnite a lesser experience.
I'm not a PS4 only player tho. I have a XOS( strictly for BC), a pc, and just gave away my switch. I feel you. People should be able to log into there epic account across console. I'm just disagreeing on the "pissed" part because "others let us do it" is a very selfish stance at its core. Do you see where I'm coming from? You should be able to log into your epic account anywhere. I'm here for that. But don't saying no to a console practice that had its precedent set....a week ago....is not outside the realm of reason for Sony....people are mad at Sony for not jumping on a week old, selfish at best, bad business at its worse, practice. They don't want Sony to research and perform due diligence. There's s whole #fucksony #blamesony movement. Pissed because of a vague sense of entitlement that only affects a tiny amount players of one game(yes it is tiny. Only 2 million copies of fortnight on switch so probably only >million people affected)....Folks want people to hit the switch on cross progression/ cross play right now this second under the bs guise of "its only to advance the medium". I feel like Sony will cave in cross progression....it'll take em a month or two...but I don't feel like they will cave on crossplay this gen. The only benefit they gain is a by if goodwill until a few months later gamers pick another bone to puck with them.
I think telling us that you have an XB1S and then explicitly letting us know "strictly for BC" (that really is unnecessary information if it isn't a factor) tells us an awful lot about why you're vehemently making your arguments about why consumers asking for this to be unlocked are the ones in the wrong.
Really? Pray tell...
My point was because BC is a selling point for me. That this is what matters to me as a gamer although not to others. That I can admit that honestly without Shit post about "anti-consumerism. I said so in the post right before it...you know? The one you didn't read?
Well that's you, but the people on PS4 who want to play with people on a switch or Xbox will. 80 million players don't mean jack if you don't know them and the people you want to play with are not on there.
I guess, by that logic the fact that this is all you and him could glean from all that text says just the same about you both,I guess.
Sony has responded a second time opening up hopes: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ent-it-will-deliver-a-ps4-cross-play-solution
Maybe fans of sony. Because it's clearly a good reason to chose one over the other.
The way sony tries to make everyon think "playstation is THE gamer console" is just ridiculous seeing how it closes itself from everything like a mad otaku.
If you had a PS4 and played fornite on it (which is the only way your account would be locked) it would be highly unlikely that you don't have anyone names on your friends list and don't know anyone who play PS4 fornite. Even if you logged into a friends PS4 that's a person you know who plays PS4. The amount of people who logged in and spent money but know no one who play on PSN must be a very insignificant amount of people. Sony probably won't make a decision that affects the entire PS4 fortnite Pool over a tiny fraction of players having a bad time.
Hey let's not resort to slander lol. What are the benefits for Sony to do what you ask?
Fantastic! Let's get that in the OP. Even if it's not a solid answer yet it's good to see people pressure Sony (in person) and to get Sony talking about it again. Promising.
Most likely saving it up for the PS5 reveal. BC as well.
They have little to gain from it this gen, next-gen is an other thing entirely.
Haha. When your perceived hot take is actually wrong.
Good for SO-KNEE
Good to highlight that Layden response as a counter to all the 'might as well lock the thread, everyone's forgotten about this, Sony won't budge' nonsense. PS4 players have spoken and it looks like maybe Sony will respond.
I've said time and time again that Sony surely want to give their players the best version of the game as far as they can influence it. They've fucked up with Fortnite - hopefully they'll want to change that.
I've said time and time again that Sony surely want to give their players the best version of the game as far as they can influence it. They've fucked up with Fortnite - hopefully they'll want to change that.
"Supporting our business"
So switch cross play only then. lol i kid I kid, but ending the statement with that phrase doesn't bode well. If anything it's a good sign for cross progression.
This makes the most sense. MS wanna share player pool? Cool we will play ball when neither of us has players yet. It would be a selling point for PS5.
Crossplay would have little financial impact at this point, the generation's set and this selective policy of Sony's is generating more negative press, consumer frustration and developer ill-will than it is hardware sales. I can see them reversing course on this, particularly since they're about to start userbase again from zero with PS5 in the next couple years and won't want to cede such a clear competitive advantage to Xbox Scarlet.
The bigger issue though is crossprogression or (3rd party) account migration, which actually does impact digital storefronts directly. I'm not sure I see Sony budging here ever, although maybe they'll make a special case for Fortnite like allowing a one time account unlock or something, if only to make this story go away.
The bigger issue though is crossprogression or (3rd party) account migration, which actually does impact digital storefronts directly. I'm not sure I see Sony budging here ever, although maybe they'll make a special case for Fortnite like allowing a one time account unlock or something, if only to make this story go away.
Yeah but end of the day those are not people I grew up with? Hence why I made the multiplayer switch to Xbox, because that's where people I know prefer to play and guess what happened when I went to Xbox? $245 down the drain from all the money I spent in Save the World. So fuck Sony
Solving the 'locking account to the PS4' thing and adding crossplay ONLY for the Switch sounds good to me and makes sense 'business-wise'. So yeah, good.
Both the teaching continues. This a two week old issue at best with the switch release. You could be right but this could be damage control. Nothing in that response assures cross progression. I was a statement on cross play. "Support our business" part of the statement leads me to believe that whatever they do it will put the best interest of the company first not the apparently growing " i want Fortnite crossplay!".
That would be a terrible time to announce it, for a few reasons.
One of which being "Sony too" as a selling point looks bad.
Would they have said anything if not put on the spot.
Speak to us, silence on the issue ntil someone puts a mic in your face is a bad look.
Sorry to here that. It sucks. Quick question Is cross progression locked on PC as well? I'm not sure...does this affect anyone trying to play Fortnite anywhere else?
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I see you are back to your console warring bullshit you were spewing before your 1 week ban. Maybe you need more than 1 week to really think of the things you are saying. You are doing yourself and the crossplay cause no favor given your posting history which is full of Sony hate and Nintendo ass kissing, and if you want to deny that I'm happy to give examplaes from your posting past.
It's a good start....there are Xbox transfers this affects too. Sony has gone on record saying they think PS4 and switch are great in tandem. So this will definitely be the path of least resistance. Then they announce full cross play for PS5 and nextbox
I'm not asking anything. Maybe did I not make myself clear enough.
Just saying Sony is secluding itself like a cliché otaku.
Cross play or not they could at least not hold the accounts hostage. Doesn't seem like a horrible thing to ask.
Can you log onto your epic account on PC if you've logged into a PS4? Or does it only affect consoles?
Yes you can. PS4/PC/iOS. Accounts associated with PS4 just lock out other consoles (Switch and Xbox)
But how would not holding it hostage benefit Sony? Apart from good will? They get a cut when you spend money on PSN....they stand to lose some of that money if they allow you to spend it elsewhere. No?
Removing one more reason to buy a competitors console is an excellent selling point.
They already you to spend money on PC/iOS and bring it over to PS4. Locking out Switch and Xbox is totally arbitrary.
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...-gang-up-on-playstation-in-cross-platform-row
"The problem is, contrary to the angry Twitter commentators, cross-play isn't really that big of a deal. The genuine demand for it is limited. It only really involves games that are proactively seeking cross-play, primarily Rocket League, Fortnite and Minecraft, and these are games that perform strongly on PC and mobile - platforms that are cross-compatible with PS4. So it's only an issue for players of certain games on certain platforms - a subset of a subset.
And more to the point, most gamers simply don't care. We asked GameTrack - a consumer research project run by Ipsos Connect that is used by many major publishers - to ask its panel of European users how it felt about cross-play, and the responses were indifferent. 58% of respondents said they didn't care much about it. When asked if cross-play was a reason to buy a console, 54% disagreed with the statement (in fact, 38% strongly disagreed), while only 13% said it might be a consideration in which console or service they would buy."
An interesting take from GamesIndustry.biz. It does seem to be an issue that is being blown out of proportion IMO. Let's see if Sony change their stance.
"The problem is, contrary to the angry Twitter commentators, cross-play isn't really that big of a deal. The genuine demand for it is limited. It only really involves games that are proactively seeking cross-play, primarily Rocket League, Fortnite and Minecraft, and these are games that perform strongly on PC and mobile - platforms that are cross-compatible with PS4. So it's only an issue for players of certain games on certain platforms - a subset of a subset.
And more to the point, most gamers simply don't care. We asked GameTrack - a consumer research project run by Ipsos Connect that is used by many major publishers - to ask its panel of European users how it felt about cross-play, and the responses were indifferent. 58% of respondents said they didn't care much about it. When asked if cross-play was a reason to buy a console, 54% disagreed with the statement (in fact, 38% strongly disagreed), while only 13% said it might be a consideration in which console or service they would buy."
An interesting take from GamesIndustry.biz. It does seem to be an issue that is being blown out of proportion IMO. Let's see if Sony change their stance.
Well then it seems my buddy who is pissed about buying an Xbox might want to look into a PC as a solution. The worse position to me here are people trying to play on switch. Sony might cave...but logging into PC with your PS4 locked account seems to be the only way to alleviate this blow. Sucks tho.
Ok see that's where I lost you. This entire time I thought it was a complete walled garden
My bad
40% of PS4 owners own a switch so you can see why people are pissed. How about telling your uses they are being locked out before they spend the money in the game they cant use on other conoles. It's terrible business
Why are you disingenuously pretending that this is a moral or ethical issue? This is laughable.
Videogames a purely entertainment products. Consumers buy and use them purely for their own personal enjoyment. To expect any one gamer to care about anyone else's enjoyment beyond their own is extremely misguided at best and at worst entirely missing the point.
You're acting as if cross-play and cross-progression is a basic human right. There's a word for that... and it rhymes with "un-trifled"