'Transracial' man born white feels like he is Filipino

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
These days? So you're backtracking.

Backtracking? from what?

You're the one that said people don't discriminate based on DNA, you didn't clarify a time period

I can't backtrack from a time period that I never even claimed

People 100% can discriminate based on skin color, and skin color is 100% determined by DNA, people discriminate based on DNA, whether they realize it or not

wisdom0wl · Nov 15, 2017

Mr. Pointy said:
Does he own a PBA Jersey?

Probs a Ginebra bandwagon fan.

litebrite · Nov 15, 2017

Mona said:
Backtracking? from what?

You're the one that said people don't discriminate based on DNA, you didn't clarify a time period

LOL That's the whole point why Race is a social construct. If the time period can change what "race' you are, and not your actual "race".

zoltek · Nov 15, 2017

wandering said:
I was under the impression that many geneticists had concluded that race has no genetic basis. Let google for a bit and see if I kind find some scientific articles.

As litebrite appropriately pointed out, it depends on how you are defining "race". If one equates it with nationality or region of descent, then I would argue it's all based on genes.

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
LOL That's the whole point why Race is a social construct. If the time period can change what "race' you are, and not your actual "race".

I'm not talking about race...

I'm talking about people discriminating based on DNA, you said they don't, they absolutely do and they do it all the time without realizing it...

People can discriminate 100% based on skin color, skin color is 100% determined by DNA, people discriminate based on DNA even if they don't realize thats what they're doing

Somebody for fuck sake explain to either them or me where we're going wrong here

Chojin · Nov 15, 2017

Okay last one, for emphasis:

This guy is not transracial. Filipinos are a nationality. They are not a race. He's Transnational. There's a fix for that, it's called emigrating to the Philippines.

Lurker · Nov 15, 2017

zoltek · Nov 15, 2017

Flo_Evans said:
I guess the question is:

1- is it possible to have a different haplotype by random mutation

2 - how much does haplotype influence culture

1 - I have no idea, I think this is possible but maybe it's more like % of Neanderthal dna?

2 - I think little to none, I think culture informs how we think/act more than biology. Still you see a large variation of personality types within a certain culture, this get to the old nature/nurture argument that I don't think is fully solved.

1. Yes, it is possible, but haplotypes are typically a set of conserved genes (not just one gene). They tend to be grouped together, inherited together over time, and "resist" significant mutations in the sense that a base pair change here or there doesn't appear to affect the haplotype as a whole.

2. I completely agree with you. I don't believe your genetic make-up influences your culture in any significant way, shape, or form. It may affect how you react and respond to certain aspects of culture, but, for example, a genetically Scandinavian white male can grow up in the middle of Compton and identify with that culture regardless of his or her haplotype/DNA. I also think culture is different from race.

shinra-bansho · Nov 15, 2017

I am really struggling to fathom how people are incapable of understanding gender identity is not externally constructed, and whether it's just a genuine inability and ignorance or if it's just disingenuousness.

Also transgender is an adjective, not a verb. There are transgender people, not transgendered people.

litebrite · Nov 15, 2017

Mona said:
I'm not talking about race...

I'm talking about people discriminating based on DNA, you said they don't, they absolutely do and they do it all the time without realizing it...

People can discriminate 100% based on skin color, skin color is 100% determined by DNA, people discriminate based on DNA even if they don't realize thats what they're doing

Somebody for fuck sake explain to either them or me where we're going wrong here

I get what you're saying, but they're discriminating off of Skin Color. The reason there's a difference because people have been discriminated based off of their DNA and it had nothing to do with their skin color but a genetic type.

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
I get what you're saying, but they're discriminating off of Skin Color. The reason there's a difference because people have been discriminated based off of their DNA.

So people have been discriminated against based on their DNA specifically, which is what you were sorta trying to say?

but when they discriminate based on skin color, whether they're consciously making the connection or not, they're discriminating against that persons DNA

which I think is more than a fare statement, even if people can still specifically target peoples DNA to discriminate, the skin thing isn't as direct obviously, but I feel its essentially the same thing but with a skin buffer in between

Nabs · Nov 15, 2017

I'm glad Atlanta is filming again.

litebrite said:

lol

litebrite · Nov 15, 2017

Mona said:
So people have been discriminated against based on their DNA?

https://www.genome.gov/10002328/genetic-discrimination-fact-sheet/

CeramicDragon · Nov 15, 2017

You ain't real filipino if yo can't eat balut. Guy prob eats seeet spaghetti and thinks that's Filipino food.

Valhalla_Nights · Nov 15, 2017

thepotatoman said:
It probably is. And I would agree that it's fine as long as it doesn't cause harm, but it does.

She's taking advantage of any affirmative action that was created for people who can't just choose to be white and avoid discrimination, and she's perpetuating the view that race is more than a way to discriminate, and the subcultures that are formed because of that discrimination.

affirmative action is targeted and beneficial towards white women most of all

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
https://www.genome.gov/10002328/genetic-discrimination-fact-sheet/

Yea I knew what you meant sorry, I was still trying to finish my thought up there

Frozenprince · Nov 15, 2017

Oh god another "Transracial" thread.

The height of white privilege.

excelsiorlef · Nov 15, 2017

Chojin said:
Also, last time I checked Filipinos aren't a race. They're a nationality. So please can someone tell me why we are talking about race?

Because Rachel Dolezal opened Pandora's Box....

litebrite · Nov 15, 2017

Mona said:
Yea I knew what you meant sorry, I was still trying to finish my thought up there

I mean it's just a really reductive statement that blurs everything together. I mean you could technically say people discriminate against women is discrimination against their DNA.

However I don't get how any of that helps in a specific conversation about 'Race" and discrimination.

Also DNA has much more information than what gender or physical features somebody has, which can actually be discriminated against as well.

excelsiorlef said:
Because Rachel Dolezal opened Pandora's Box....

Honesty it was inevitable.

excelsiorlef · Nov 15, 2017

This btw

This is a problem....

There's no such thing as brain race....

And this is from this kid's "trans-racial" support group...

Fiction · Nov 15, 2017

Another hot take since my first post was pretty much ignored. Being transgender means that your brain and your body do not align. Your brain believes from birth that you are not the gender that your genitals correspond with. Transracial does not exist in my opinion because it is a choice it's not something your brain forces upon you. Just liking another culture does not make it so that you are able to be part of that culture while having grown up with the privilege of being white.

If that's something that people can't understand. Or something that hurts people's feelings. I'm really sorry. But the science just does not exist to prove that transracialism is actually a thing, and not just people with a deep admiration of a culture they do not belong to..

Also as an edit if I explained being transgender wrong please let me know I am still learning as we all are and trying to be an ally as best I can

MBeanie · Nov 15, 2017

Frozenprince said:
Oh god another "Transracial" thread.

The height of white privilege.

Seriously.

No matter how badly I could shout to the heavens I identify as a white man, I will be laughed at but a white guy says he identifys with another ethnicity... Hold the phones, lets takes this one seriously!

This is cultural appropriation taken to the nth degree.

The mental gymnastics you even have to attempt to compare it to gender identity.

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
I mean it's just a really reductive statement that blurs everything together. I mean you could technically say people discriminate against women is discrimination against their DNA.

However I don't get how any of that helps in a specific conversation about 'Race" and discrimination.

Also DNA has much more information than what gender or physical features somebody has, which can actually be discriminated against as well.

I guess its cheating since DNA encompasses so much, but its a blueprint for who you are as a physical creature, so if they're discriminating against you for something that isn't a learned behavior, then they're telling you in at least some capacity that your blueprint stinks

TickleMeElbow · Nov 15, 2017

That dude is clearly kinda off lol.

Frozenprince · Nov 15, 2017

MBeanie said:
Seriously.

No matter how badly I could shout to the heavens I identify as a white man, I will be laughed at but a white guy says he identifys with another ethnicity... Hold the phones, lets takes this one seriously!

This is cultural appropriation taken to the nth degree.

The mental gymnastics you even have to attempt to compare it to gender identity.

It's like if some Han Chinese kid identified as black because he bumps with A Tribe Called Quest.

Zoe · Nov 15, 2017

Chojin said:
Also, last time I checked Filipinos aren't a race. They're a nationality. So please can someone tell me why we are talking about race?

The US government considers Filipino to be a race.

incogneato · Nov 15, 2017

Fiction said:
Another hot take since my first post was pretty much ignored. Being transgender means that your brain and your body do not align. Your brain believes from birth that you are not the gender that your genitals correspond with. Transracial does not exist in my opinion because it is a choice it's not something your brain forces upon you. Just liking another culture does not make it so that you are able to be part of that culture while having grown up with the privilege of being white.

If that's something that people can't understand. Or something that hurts people's feelings. I'm really sorry. But the science just does not exist to prove that transracialism is actually a thing, and not just people with a deep admiration of a culture they do not belong to..

Also as an edit if I explained being transgender wrong please let me know I am still learning as we all are and trying to be an ally as best I can

This is a decent list....

https://www.glaad.org/transgender/allies

This is given as supplementary material...

http://www.straightforequality.org/trans

Ugly website aside, it has good information.

litebrite · Nov 15, 2017

Mona said:
I guess its cheating since DNA encompasses so much, but its a blueprint for who you are as a physical creature, so if they're discriminating against you for something that isn't a learned behavior, then they're telling you that your blueprint stinks

It's just I can imagine a future or an advanced society where everybody is wearing a badge with their own DNA sequences and treated differently depending upon a genetic marker.

jromz03 · Nov 15, 2017

Umm... OK. Eat balut then. :D

pigeon · Nov 15, 2017

What do the Filipino people he knows think?

incogneato · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
It's just I can imagine a future or an advanced society where everybody is wearing a badge with their own DNA sequences and treated differently depending upon a genetic marker.

Once most of the Earth is mixed race, this is definitely a possibility. Race is extremely limited as a category marker.

excelsiorlef · Nov 15, 2017

pigeon said:
What do the Filipino people he knows think?

Does he even know any? Sounds like they're all on the History channel.

Deleted member 197 · Nov 15, 2017

incogneato said:
Once most of the Earth is mixed race, this is definitely a possibility. Race is extremely limited as a category marker.

I mean that place exists and is called "the majority of latin america", we just judge people based on how white we look.

incogneato · Nov 15, 2017

maluma baby! said:
I mean that place exists and is called "the majority of latin america", we just judge people based on how white we look.

Of course. I understand all of the various terms that latinx people use to categorize based on looks: creole, mulatto, etc. I'm just wondering if other places in the world will start adopting similar terms and do away with black, white, asian, and other as categorical terms.

Twilight Sparkle · Nov 15, 2017

If you see a certain race, which means a certain culture, and you like it. To a point in which you yourself believe you should actually be part of it, then yea I can get the idea of transrace.

It's only fair when transgender is also a fact.

DoubleTake · Nov 15, 2017

Chicken Adobo is no joke

mac · Nov 15, 2017

pigeon said:
What do the Filipino people he knows think?

I doubt any Filipino cares. It's only white people writing this article for other white people to repost it that this gets any mention.

duckroll · Nov 15, 2017

"I'd watch the history channel sometimes for hours you know whenever it came to that and you know nothing else intrigued me more but things about Filipino culture."

Uh huh...

Riley · Nov 15, 2017

Transracial ≠ Transgender

wandering · Nov 15, 2017

mac said:
I doubt any Filipino cares. It's only white people writing this article for other white people to repost it that this gets any mention.

"I'm gonna call out people on speaking for Filipinos by speaking for Filipinos"

excelsiorlef · Nov 15, 2017

Twilight Sparkle said:
If you see a certain race, which means a certain culture, and you like it. To a point in which you yourself believe you should actually be part of it, then yea I can get the idea of transrace.

It's only fair when transgender is also a fact.

No.

ishan · Nov 15, 2017

Being a certain skin colour doesn't stop you from being fully accepted I have some white friends who are Indian as fuck don't think of them as non Indian due to skin colour (and yes India has a very variant skin tone but one is almost albino other is half French I believe so both are paler than almost all Indians) . This is coming from a culture which uses the word Firangi (foreigner/ traditionally almost exclusively used for Europeans etc ) without any sense of concept and complains we get discriminated ...

Dude your skin colour doesn't matter how you behave is what decides your culture more or less . I'm not considered Indian enough by some Indians even thought I spent 21 of first 24 years there just cause I speak English better like western norms etc .

It's a cultural thing plus this sort of thing is much more I assume an America thing where everyone contextualizes everything within race in Asia Europe it's not that way ... Like I can culturally country wise not like you there are terms for those xenophobia etc

In America everything is somehow seen within the race lens. I'm dark brown and I thought more about my skin colour in India than I do here lol

Jom · Nov 15, 2017

Twilight Sparkle said:
If you see a certain race, which means a certain culture, and you like it. To a point in which you yourself believe you should actually be part of it, then yea I can get the idea of transrace.

It's only fair when transgender is also a fact.

Is this sarcasm? I hope it is.

Transgender don't just "see a certain gender, and like it" and decide ok guess I'm trans!

Like if you're serious this comparison is just ridiculous.

mac · Nov 15, 2017

wandering said:
"I'm gonna call out people on speaking for Filipinos by speaking for Filipinos"

Yeah, and? If you are as simple as your argument is then +1 and -1 equals zero. Anecdote vs. Anecdote.

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

excelsiorlef can smell someone equating transgender to something else from a mile away

Nowhere is safe from her ever-watchful eye

litebrite · Nov 15, 2017

Jom said:
Is this sarcasm? I hope it is.

Transgender don't just "see a certain gender, and like it" and decide ok guess I'm trans!

Like if you're serious this comparison is just ridiculous.

Y'mean they don't somehow catch the Women's Lib movement on the History Channel and watch for hours, and finally decide right then and there? LOL

excelsiorlef · Nov 15, 2017

Mona said:
excelsiorlef can smell someone equating transgender to something else from a mile away

Nowhere is safe from her ever-watchful eye

Just for the record... you are complimenting me with this yes?

Jom · Nov 15, 2017

litebrite said:
Y'mean they don't somehow catch the Women's Lib movement on the History Channel and watch for hours, and finally decide right then and there? LOL

Yeah I know right? WTF kind of comparison was that?!?!

Trans people go through their entire life feeling like they're in the wrong body, this dude probably didn't even know what a Filipino was until what? 20?

wandering · Nov 15, 2017

mac said:
Yeah, and? If you are as simple as your argument is then +1 and -1 equals zero. Anecdote vs. Anecdote.

What argument? You're the only one making claims here, with no discernible value.

Mona · Nov 15, 2017

excelsiorlef said:
Just for the record... you are complimenting me with this yes?

Well its not an insult or anything, its just that when I follow these trans threads, think theres been maybe 2, Im sure you don't want to count this one, you'll talk for a little bit, then you'll be gone for like 20 mins or so, and then the second someone says something off color, wham you're instantly there, as if by magic

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