Please give me just something to hold on even 1% of hope that this country isn't going to be a nightmare for the next 50 years because of Kennedy.
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US PoliERA 2018 |OT6| An Unmitigated Disaster
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So what do we need to do to pack the court? Gain the presidency, the Senate, and the house and then what?
If they do, it's war. Straight up. They will create thousands of terrorists overnight
My hopes of any Supreme Court decision favoring trans rights are doused for the foreseeable future. This fucking blows. :(
Can't wait until tomorrow when the dust from the shock settles a bit and people can begin discussing the situation without immediately throwing their hands up and admitting defeat.
If you don't want to be retaliated against, then the best thing to do is always to say nothing.
So, basically move to blue states ASAP if you want any part of what we call America today. The future is fucking bleak and very "christian".
Yea, I think people are misinterpreting what would happen here.
In 2016, the GOP wasn't in power (at least as president), and everyone thought Hillary would win, so the GOP had incentive to come out and vote to "protect" "their" court.
In 2018, the Democrats are the ones on the offensive. They have everything to lose, and no reason not to fight. While the GOP has everything, so abortion and stuff has no threat of expanding no matter what the court looks like.
Just pass a law expanding the court to 11 seats. It's simple.
I'm surprised they haven't already
Seriously, that we've gone this long without a violent, bloody riot is surprising me. I predicted one within the first year after Trump won.
People commenting and saying they wish sanders would come back. Or join the Dem party.
I agree with this. And the Supreme Court is fully politicized at this point, so time to start protesting the Justices directly.
Pretty much. I don't expect it to happen because Dems are much more in favor of decorum, but it's certainly more realistic than impeaching a Supreme Court judge.
Blue states are going to be little islands of peace in a sea of blight
We were already on the way towards that, but today's events accelerated it.
The risk in that is it makes the court 100% partisan rather than the <100% partisan level it is at now or will be.
The court is already 100% partisan.
You'll hear some rumblings from the GOP to do it after, but it'll happen before.
Trump isn't going to want to wait that long
While delaying confirmation for Kennedy's successor until after the midterms would definitely juice GOP turnout, I don't know McConnell wants to bank on that. The environment is still plainly D-friendly, and the whole reason he killed the August recess in the first place was to give Republicans time to confirm more judicial appointments in case they lose the Senate.
Though now that I think of it, he could just delay confirmation until after the midterms and, if they end up losing the Senate, confirm the appointment during the lame duck. Which seems like exactly the kind of evil thing McConnell would do.
Though now that I think of it, he could just delay confirmation until after the midterms and, if they end up losing the Senate, confirm the appointment during the lame duck. Which seems like exactly the kind of evil thing McConnell would do.
Probably after. It's a good tool to mobilize the bigot voters.
As token "symbolic" votes, I don't really agree that the optics of voting for Pelosi as chief Democratic boogeywooman and confirming a Supreme Court justice who will be a far-right Gorsuch clone are identical. Also I'd argue that the Lamb election was completely a nationalized election (thanks to Pelosi, Trump, et al) and presages a +15 Democratic wave but now I can't even remember what our original disagreement was about to begin with.
I also don't agree with the usual consultant class conclusion that voters are stupid and look to pointless symbolic votes to decide which way they vote, but, again, that's another completely different tangent.
I'm super nervous about how the press is gonna flip out, and bend over backwards to the Republicans.
A women was murdered during a protest. What do you mean we haven't had a violent incident?
Does this make a practical difference if the right wins every single case they want to?
Sanders' marginalizing language has bothered me for quite a while now.
If they try this, there's a good chance afterwards that Trump sinks his own candidate multiple times via tweets, because, you know, that's what he does. And he'll be under soooo much more stress then than he is now, as tariffs kick in and the Mueller investigation "wraps up".
Yes.
These justices are nominated by a partisan leader and confirmed by a partisan legislative body. Part of our problem is that we've been acting cute and pretending that judges aren't political actors for 35+ years, and especially since the Religious Right mobilized itself.
It'll be before. Trump and the vast majority of Republicans will not want to wait. Especially since doing so brings its own risks.
This more likely motivates Dems more than in does Republicans. So that's the bright side for you.
I meant like a full scale, honest to god, molotovs flying riot.
There's really no consensus on Bernie around here. Some folks love him, some really don't. I'm grateful for him pulling the Dem platform to the left a bit, but I think he's extremely out of touch on social issues and guns. You're not wrong that he should stay in the Senate, tbh.
How will states be beacons? If a court finds abortion unconstitutional no state will offer it except in alleyways like before. Same with other issues.
You might get that after the trade war settles in and whenever we slam right into a recession. The majority of Americans still have something to lose.
No way New York, Washington, Oregon and California ban abortions.
just another hostage.
children, parents, siblings, a seat onthe supreme court. all hostages in this war on amaerica's hope, and optimism, and hopefully optimistic world view that dear putin hates so much
I'm preparing for a 1968 Detroit riot part 2 .
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A simple statute passed by Congress and signed by the president.
I'm usually one of the first people to look at shit positively and urge calm but it's hard to feel that way about Kennedy retiring.
Mitch McConnell honestly has to rank as one of the all time worst villains in American history. Just a horrible fucking human being. He's almost singlehandedly responsible for a large majority of what has gone wrong in the past decade in American politics. Trump is basically just a bumbling idiot pawn by comparison.
Mitch McConnell honestly has to rank as one of the all time worst villains in American history. Just a horrible fucking human being. He's almost singlehandedly responsible for a large majority of what has gone wrong in the past decade in American politics. Trump is basically just a bumbling idiot pawn by comparison.
House/Senate pass a law, President signs it, President appoints justices and they go through confirmation procedures.
Assuming a Dem trifecta, the only roadblock is the fillibuster.
Your viewpoint is flies in the face of everything we know about local elections. Yes, they're more nationalized than they used to be, but that doesn't mean that individual candidates and electorates don't matter. People whined and whined about Northam running a milquetoast campaign.... and he overperformed local House races by 2-3%! Tailoring your message to persuadables matters, tailoring your message to your local voters matters.
And we better hope it matters, because if races nationalize permanently, WE :LOSE ALL THOSE RED SEATS FOREVER.
At least Dems will have the House in six months
When the Dems win their next trifecta, their top priority should be dissolving the Senate.
I know. I'm very pessimistic about the Senate.
The Senate was a mistake.
When the Dems win their next trifecta, their top priority should be dissolving the Senate.
I know. I'm very pessimistic about the Senate.
The Senate was a mistake.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, the markets all took another dive today. So, hey, Trump may be getting a new SC Justice, but the economy seems to be on track to collapse. I wonder if we'll be in full on recession mode come November. That might actually hurt GOP turnout.
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