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Luke Cage | Season 2 on Netflix | 6/22/18 (Spoiler tagged discussion)

luca

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Episode 12 was real good. It could have ended there kinda. That fight scene with
Bushmaster and Luke Cage fighting together
was the best one in the entire Luke Cage series.

Can't wait to watch the last episode tomorrow.

The big surprise has had to be either
Shades turning on Mariah (but that's not really that surprising) or if the NYPD makes a deal with Bushmaster giving him the Harlem Paradise club or something.
 
cognizant

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Yeah I've got one episode left too, gonna watch tomorrow.

Today I learned that the actor who plays Shades is 43.

(oO)
 
Kickmaster Kim

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I didn't like that last episode.
The pacing is weird, When he met the Italian leader her scene just felt weird. The actor didn't have charisma. I wasn't buying her, Bushmaster's arc wasn't resolved properly, that scene with Mariah and Tilda was awkward as hell, but it payed up later. I thought Luke would call for help, but I understand not. I might have missed something but when the young guy was claiming that Luke was becoming a crime boss I scratched my head because I thought he was just threatening the gangs to back down, but when he took Mariah's club it definitely felt like it and he refused to talk to Claire. Mariah leaving him the club was weird to me and it didn't make sense even with that explanation. Tilda playing that keyboard and singing. Her voice was just okay, but that scene was weird too. Luke taking that club is just not a good look and then with the gang leaders sitting in his club... nah. It's just no. And then Shades saying he actually loved mariah, which was never convincing to me. This episode was just ugh.
 
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I think my favorite scene in the whole show was

During Shades interrogation scene and that one long shot of Misty getting him water. I kept waiting for something to happen, but it didn't. It just follows her to the kitchen and she breaks down, composes herself, and comes back in. It was such an interesting choice at that moment.
 
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Wingfan19 said:
I think my favorite scene in the whole show was

During Shades interrogation scene and that one long shot of Misty getting him water. I kept waiting for something to happen, but it didn't. It just follows her to the kitchen and she breaks down, composes herself, and comes back in. It was such an interesting choice at that moment.
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Yea I really liked that scene. It's so much for her to take in, knowing the exact details of the crimes Mariah and Shades committed, especially concerning Candance.

One thing I really appreciated about this show is that they don't forget about the victims, like with Cockroach's girlfriend. I feel like a good portion of the audience had frankly forgotten all about Candance's death, but not Misty.

So for her to know how exactly she died (as well as the Ep. 10 massacre details), for her to be finally given the info she needs so that she can finally put Mariah away for good, I think while that scene was portraying her as being extremely upset, there was also a tiny bit of relief that she's now in a position to finally solve this case.
 
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Just finished watching all 13 episodes and wow what can I say this season was quiet bad, Luke cage is too much of a baby to do anything, like a grown bullet proof baby who can't really put away Thugs or crime, the episode where Mariah lights up anansi and kills them all Luke cage is there sobbing like a baby saying he should have let her burn rather than save her. Then in episode 12 or 11 he comes face to face with her and tells her how he destroyed the drug warehouse rather than confront her or attack her for what she did, like a little baby who would break something in the house and come tell his mum. I don't know if it's just me but I find Luke cage to be a little bit of a child as a hero, heck he's maybe like this in the comics which I've never read so I can't say, but I hate this version of him, absolute snowflake and the ending when he gets given the club he's a changed man???

Best thing about this season was Bushmaster all the way, hope we get to see more of him.
 
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I'm only on ep5 and aside from digging Bushmaster I'm still having issues getting totally involved in the series. Story beats feel odd, cinematography/lightning seems a step down from S1 as well.

That said, I really enjoyed the scene with Shades and Che in the barbershop in ep5 since it provided something different and added nice character depth.
 
Jam

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How much is Iron Fist in it? Is it quite Heroes for Hire or nah?

I'm assuming based on trailers, Bushmaster comes in and slaps Luke around. Luke realizes as powerful as he is... he needs to learn how to actually fight, enter Danny who teaches him how to fight - one or two fight scenes of them as a duo then Danny is all "my planet needs me, I must go" and vanishes never to be mentioned again.
 
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Jam said:
How much is Iron Fist in it? Is it quite Heroes for Hire or nah?

I'm assuming based on trailers, Bushmaster comes in and slaps Luke around. Luke realizes as powerful as he is... he needs to learn how to actually fight, enter Danny who teaches him how to fight - one or two fight seems of them as a duo then Danny is all "my planet needs me, I must go" and vanishes never to be mentioned again.
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I haven't finished yet but it wouldn't surprise me.

Beats the typical fight sequence pattern:
"I don't believe you're invulnerable. I have a big gun!"
"Sweet Christmas"
Ohhh ohhhh oh ohhhhhhhhhh *music theme*
*block, bullets don't work or metal pipe bends*
"Oh shit"
*punch across room, walk away strutting with hoodie with bullet holes*
 
J_Viper

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Didn't have time to finish the first episode, but what I watched did not grab me at all.

Mike Colter remains the perfect choice for the character, and most of the supporting characters are played well enough (new kid at the barber shop is TERRIBLE), but the script and direction are both complete amateur hour

There's a scene with Colter and the excellent Reg E. Cathey that could have been powerful if it wasn't staged like a high school drama final exam performance.

Whatever the hell they're trying to do with Mariah is not working either, she just comes across as lame. Alfre Woodard is of course an incredible actress, but even she can't make this script work.

I'm scared for Punisher S2 because it seems like no one at the Marvel division of Netflix gives a fuck about quality any more.
 

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Finished the series. I gotta say I really enjoyed it. I'm not sure if I enjoyed it as much as Season 1, it was defiantly more consistently good than Season 1, but that series great moments were much better than this series great moments.

I think Bushmaster was one of the best villains in the series
and I'm glad they kept him alive
. My four favs are Fisk, Cottonmouth, Bushmaster & Killgrave.

The ending is a good setup, but I'm struggling with some of it. The whole series is about how Luke deals with having constantly new crap to deal with and that he feels inadequate dealing with Harlems problems. It makes sense this would be end as it does, but another setup that would have made more sense was the Heros for Hire. Make a team. Protect the city. Easy.
 
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I did not get the ending:

why did Luke become the crime boss? It just seemed weird and totally out of character. I think I missed something?
 
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Finished the series. I gotta say I really enjoyed it. I'm not sure if I enjoyed it as much as Season 1, it was defiantly more consistently good than Season 1, but that series great moments were much better than this series great moments.

I think Bushmaster was one of the best villains in the series and I'm glad they kept him alive. My four favs are Fisk, Cottonmouth, Bushmaster & Killgrave.

The ending is a good setup, but I'm struggling with some of it. The whole series is about how Luke deals with having constantly new crap to deal with and that he feels inadequate dealing with Harlems problems. It makes sense this would be end as it does, but another setup that would have made more sense was the Heros for Hire. Make a team. Protect the city. Easy.
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Luke's still gotta learn he can't fill a power vacuum by himself.
 
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KarneeKarnay said:
I think Bushmaster was one of the best villains in the series and I'm glad they kept him alive. My four favs are Fisk, Cottonmouth, Bushmaster & Killgrave.
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Why did you not spoiler-tag this? I got one episode left and wouldn't want to know the fate of this character beforehand.
 
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I did not get the ending:

why did Luke become the crime boss? It just seemed weird and totally out of character. I think I missed something?
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with Mariah dead, there was a power vacancy in Harlem. Luke felt it would be best for him to takeover Harlem's Paradise so he can keep an eye on things but this could end up being the main theme of next season to see if he becomes corrupted by this new position.
 
Yukari

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i don't know this consider spoiler or not

But after watch final episode i didn't know that Luke Cage Father Actor died when series still shooting.
Will Character get recast next season ?
 
luca

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Finished the season. I'm okay with the ending. And looking forward to next season.

That song Tilda was singing was real good. The end song was good too. All of the music was awesome this season. So I take it Luke is slowly losing it, kind of changing a bit. And maybe Misty will have to keep an eye out for him. And Tilda will want the throne next season. Glad Bushmaster survived and just went home. Tilda killing Mariah that way was alright in my book. I'm mostly glad Shades still alive and in prison. I'm thinking they'll have to cast a lot of new characters since there's not many left.

I think I liked this season better than The Punisher S1 but I'm not sure yet.
 
Lotus

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Pachimari said:
Finished the season. I'm okay with the ending. And looking forward to next season.

That song Tilda was singing was real good. The end song was good too. All of the music was awesome this season. So I take it Luke is slowly losing it, kind of changing a bit. And maybe Misty will have to keep an eye out for him. And Tilda will want the throne next season. Glad Bushmaster survived and just went home. Tilda killing Mariah that way was alright in my book. I'm mostly glad Shades still alive and in prison. I'm thinking they'll have to cast a lot of new characters since there's not many left.

I think I liked this season better than The Punisher S1 but I'm not sure yet.
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I still don't know how exactly Tilda is supposed to pose a legitimate threat, especially since it seems like they're not trying to lean too hard into what she can apparently do in the comics. Doesn't have any gang-related resources like her mother either.
 
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Yukari said:
i don't know this consider spoiler or not

But after watch final episode i didn't know that Luke Cage Father Actor died when series still shooting.
Will Character get recast next season ?
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they probably won't need to bring him back due to closing the loop on that story.
Been thinking a lot about CAGE these past couple days. I still enjoyed it, but the bad parts were VERY BAD. I think that the series has more hits than misses, but when things don't track like
Che's betrayal
, there's a huge hole that doesn't vibe with the better character beats that the writers spent so much time building. I'm excited by the direction this team is taking CAGE. While Coulter was never my pick for a take on the character (I always saw Ving Rhames from Baby Boy), Coulter's more Bendis-era version is becoming more interesting as Coulter gets a handle on the character. It doesn't hurt that CAGE is truly an ensemble cast, too. Some great actors are doing some heavy lifting.

And yep, the music was overdone. But i sure want that soundtrack and score.
 
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He didn't. He's making sure nobody else can by occupying that space.
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HeartlessNobody2134 said:
with Mariah dead, there was a power vacancy in Harlem. Luke felt it would be best for him to takeover Harlem's Paradise so he can keep an eye on things but this could end up being the main theme of next season to see if he becomes corrupted by this new position.
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Ah I see. That makes more sense.

I really liked this season, although as usual for marvel shows, it seemed a bit padded.

Great villains, good acting and the music is excellent.
 
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Which half of the season is better? First or second?

Just finished episode 7.
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I'm on Episode 10 and feel it's stronger now. There was no big drop off in plot or pacing. They could shorten it as always, but it doesn't feel like it's a 6 episode season put to 13 so far, there's been enough twists and turns to keep it going.
It's also impressive how Bushmaster is introduced as a ruthless brute, but frankly by now Mariah has long since surpassed him in being a truly awful, awful person.

Danny came off well in his guest appearance, too. Actually makes me a little interested in his second season and how they might address the many issues of his inaugural.
 
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I'll never understand why people seem so confident when they're shooting at Luke Cage.

"I know you survived literally everything else but I've got TWO handguns!"
 
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I'll never understand why people seem so confident when they're shooting at Luke Cage.

"I know you survived literally everything else but I've got TWO handguns!"
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Equally stupid but more boring would be everyone putting their guns down and running away every time. At least if they stand their ground we get to see people thrown around. It's a TV show.
 
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I'll never understand why people seem so confident when they're shooting at Luke Cage.

"I know you survived literally everything else but I've got TWO handguns!"
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Maybe they think they'll get lucky and shoot his eyes.

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Equally stupid but more boring would be everyone putting their guns down and running away every time. At least if they stand their ground we get to see people thrown around. It's a TV show.
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It would make for a funny running gag at least to have one or two people do that. Could've even made it the same person every time lol
 
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Yeah, it would be funny once in a while. Now that they've established his weakness to poison they need to start switching things up more and looking for other angles of attack.
 
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Honestly, this season was just all over the place, and not in a good way. I get that characters need complexity, but around episode 5, I was having a real hard time getting a read on character motivations. I don't think the performances were bad, or the writing in any singular episode, but that the episodes didn't really mesh well together.

This is mostly related to the supporting characters, whom will start acting one way, then immediately change for no logical reason.

Luke's Dad goes back and forth between wanting to mend the relationship to being a complete asshole.

Luke's hype man doesn't seem to give a single fuck about anything more than making money off Luke then gets all self righteous at then very end. That isn't a bad way to portray him, but there's no real growth, it just happens right at the end.

The ending was completely strange and made no sense at all. I mean the end result made sense, but getting there was just odd. Not sure what they were trying to do with all that, but it was weird.

This entire season was just a by-the-book hero's journey, which is totally fine, simple often works better. But so much of it was just a mess.

I mean, it wasn't awful, but it seemed like there was too much going on and not enough time to adequately piece it all together.
 
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It's all but 100% confirmed now that the O'Reilly cop on Cloak and Dagger is the same one mentioned in Luke Cage. In tonight's episode she says "Drug busts. In Harlem it was a good way to work up the food chain".
 
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I hope that I get to the end and
people just start fading away
 

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That Danny Rand crossover was amazing. Loving the Defenders references as well. Now I am excited for Iron Fist S2 and -- hopefully -- Heroes for Hire!
 
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Pretty sure that was established in season 1.
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Is it Shadow Obama though?
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Jesus, that scene in Episode 9 with Mariah was a hell of an acting tour de force. I usually think she's kind of a terrible actress but goddamn, that scene was tragic.

This scene overall is pretty great. Better than Jessica Jones Season 2 which I couldn't even finish
 
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