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Joqu

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She's GOOD. And I can understand her just fine. Haha. You might remember I was worried because I couldn't understand her first words in Twice Upon a Time. (I still can't by the way. How anyone can tell she says "Brilliant" there without subtitles is beyond me.)
 

Platy

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She's GOOD. And I can understand her just fine. Haha. You might remember I was worried because I couldn't understand her first words in Twice Upon a Time. (I still can't by the way. How anyone can tell she says "Brilliant" there without subtitles is beyond me.)

My english hearing is forged by the Dark Souls of accents

 

Paradox

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Jodie is awesome.

The new sonic offends me on some deep, internal level.

Her goggles, however, make up for it. (Also, if the background shot is part of her new TARDIS I love the crystal-y Heaven Sent vibes)
 

EvilChameleon

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You know you've watched a lot of Doctor Who when you say "doctor" exactly like Jodie says it at the end of this leaked clip, despite being American. I've completely dropped the "r". Doctah.
 

Blader

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The Seeds of Doom
For some reason I thought this was going to be an entirely Antarctica-set riff on The Thing, but they ditch that setting pretty early on. Anyway, this is another good one. The villains are fleshed out really nicely; Chase is perfectly creepy and kinda reminds me of Vaughn from The Invasion, and I like how plainly amoral and money-driven Scorby is. I wish the Brigadier and Benton were able to make one last return with UNIT here, though.

I feel like this is Baker's Doctor at his darkest yet, even more so than in Genesis of the Daleks. While he's jovial and outright funny a lot, he also pivots to very serious and angry at the people he's around. This is also the most action-hero-y I've seen the Doctor be: he's punching, kicking, shoving, snapping necks, diving through glass ceilings. Still, Baker makes the tonal switch from serious to comical, and back again, work so well. Each new episode I see of him is just another reminder of why this guy was always considered THE Doctor for decades.

And another great outing for Sarah Jane! Per recommendations earlier in this thread, I'll be skipping her next (and final) two serials, so this is my last classic episode with Sarah Jane for a while. I didn't love her that much when she first joined the show, but once the dynamic became just her and Baker, she really grew into a great character, who could go toe-to-toe with the Doctor in a way that only the best companions do. I'm going to miss the chemistry the two of them had together, and even though this isn't a proper farewell episode for her, that last scene of her and the Doctor feels like a suitable final note to end on for the two of them.

Very Tennant, as predicted. I think the whole era is going to whiff of a modernization of those years... Into it.
It's kind of funny that the RTD/Tennant years are now something to be modernized :lol
 

tuffy

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Fun fact: we're 4,861 days into the revival of Doctor Who. That many days from the start of Classic Who takes us partway through "The Talons of Weng-Chiang".

It really has been going a long time.
 

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You beat me to it! I didn't see anything about him yet on Wikipedia, but this biographical sketch is on imdb:

Segun Akinola is a composer based in London.

His work includes scoring BBC Two's landmark four-part series 'Black and British: A Forgotten History' written and presented by Historian David Olusoga and Shola Amoo's debut feature film 'A Moving Image', which had its world premiere at the 2016 LA Film Festival, won the Special Recognition in Narrative Directing award at BlackStar Film Festival 2016 and had its European premiere at the 60th BFI London Film Festival in 2016. His score for 'Dear Mr Shakespeare' received an Honourable Mention for the 2017 BSO Jerry Goldsmith Award for 'Best Original Score for a Short Film'. Most recently he completed the score for the major three-part series 'The Human Body: Secrets of Your Life Revealed' for BBC Two and PBS.

Other credits include writing original music for the BBC Panorama special 'The VIP Paedophile Ring: What's the Truth?', 'BHS: How Did It Happen?' and the 3D documentary '1 Way Up', produced by Academy Award-winning American producers Shine Global, which aired in the UK and USA. Segun has worked on a number of short films, including scoring Radix Film's 'The Trip' starring Sope Dirisu ('The Huntsman: Winter's War', 'Humans', 'The Mill') and Gillian Saker ('Ripper Street', 'Misfits'). His work has screened at Sundance Film Festival, London Film Festival, LA Film Festival, BlackStar Film Festival and many more.

After initially learning the piano and drums at a young age, he later turned his attention to composition, graduating from the Royal Birmingham Conservatoire with first-class honours.

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5115202/bio
 

Paradox

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Some of his stuff sounds like a blend between DW and Torchwood which is interesting (and probably explains why Chibnall picked him)

Also he has very nice arms.
 

Not

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I love that volcano score. Been listening to it over and over

I can't believe I have to wait until October for this
 

KingWillance

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Saw the news about Mr. Akinola on Facebook...and I read the comments, which was an unforced error. "I hope it's not rap," "who cares it will be cancelled in a year or they will get a male Doctor like it's supposed to be", etc. It boggles my mind that you can be a fan of this show and have the kind of opinions The Doctor would find completely risible.

(SoundCloud samples sounded great, though I hope he incorporates some electronic tones as a matter of personal preference.)
 

EvilChameleon

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Saw the news about Mr. Akinola on Facebook...and I read the comments, which was an unforced error. "I hope it's not rap," "who cares it will be cancelled in a year or they will get a male Doctor like it's supposed to be", etc. It boggles my mind that you can be a fan of this show and have the kind of opinions The Doctor would find completely risible.

It's not much better on so-called Doctor Who fansites like Gallifrey Base. When the Hardwick news came out, there were tons of people saying "well, I'll wait until this is settled in a court of law not the court of public opinion before making my own mind up on him".
 

KingWillance

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It's not much better on so-called Doctor Who fansites like Gallifrey Base. When the Hardwick news came out, there were tons of people saying "well, I'll wait until this is settled in a court of law not the court of public opinion before making my own mind up on him".

That is absolutely wild. To beat a dead horse, The Doctor hardly leans lawful on the alignment chart

damn, this looked great. sad it didn't get picked up:



Man seeing some of those painted backdrops look so vibrant is wonderful. I do hope we might visit some colorful alien worlds this season
 

Blader

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I started out a bit wary of this one. I know this is a famous episode, largely because of how much Time Lord mythology it created, but that's not really a draw for me. Outside of The War Games, where the Time Lords actually appear to be legit intimidating and live up to the hype, I've found every other appearance of the Time Lords to just be ridiculous and this serial was no exception -- from the goofy costumes to the interminable lessons on Time Lord customs to the bombastic... everything. And while I liked the Manchurian Candidate-esque conspiracy plot at the center of part 1, it was surrounded by not only dumb Time Lord theatrics but also some awkward storytelling choices. For instance, this episode is also famous for being the first time where the Doctor doesn't have a companion -- which isn't quite true, because he does basically pick up two Time Lords companions in the later parts, but it is the case for part 1, which makes for some weird moments where the Doctor is talking out loud to himself in a way that doesn't sound natural, or just standing in the TARDIS watching things happen like he's a viewer.

But things pick up a hell of a lot in parts 2 and 3. The Matrix stuff is genuinely cool and trippy, and reminds me of a cross between The Mind Robber and Heaven Sent. It's a tense, stripped-down cat-and-mouse chase that is done so well. When the action returns to Gallifrey in part 4, it's not as interesting, but is elevated by a really great performance from Peter Pratt as a decomposing Master. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think this is my favorite classic version of The Master - whereas other characterizations (Delgado, Ainley, Roberts) have just felt goofy to me, Pratt's version comes off as believably sinister.

So I started off skeptical, but after a dodgy part 1, this serial ended up being one of my favorites of Baker's.
 

mclem

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To mark the passing of Harlan Ellison in this thread, it's worth recalling that he wrote the foreword to the novelisations of Doctor Who in the US, back in 1979; some use of words that aren't acceptable today aside, it's a thing of beauty:

Harlan Ellison said:
They could not have been more offended, confused, enraged and startled... There was a moment of stunned silence... and then an eruption of angry voices from all over the fifteen-hundred-person audience. The kids in their Luke Skywalker pajamas (cobbled up from older brother's castoff karate gi) and the retarded adults spot-welded into their Darth Vader freight-masks howled with fury. But I stood my ground, there on the lecture platform at the World Science Fiction Convention, and I repeated the heretical words that had sent them into animal hysterics:

"Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains into puree of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who! And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or all in a bunch to back it up!"

Auditorium monitors moved in, truncheons ready to club down anyone foolish enough to try jumping the lecture platform, and finally there was relative silence. And I head scattered voices screaming from the back of the room,"Who?" And I said, "Yes. Who!"

(It was like that old Abbott and Costello routine: Who's on first? No, Who's on third; What's on first.)

After a while we got it all sorted out and they understood that when I said Who I didn't mean whom, I meant Who... Doctor Who... the most famous science fiction character on British television. The renegade Time Lord, the far traveler through Time and Space, the sword of justice from the planet Gallifrey, the scourge of villains and monsters the galaxy over. The one and only, the incomparable, the bemusing and bewildering Doctor Who, the humanistic defender of Good and Truth, whose exploits put to shame those of Kimball Kinnison, Captain Future and pantywaist nerds like Han Solo and Luke Skywalker.

My hero! Doctor Who!

For the American reading (and television-viewing) audience (and in this sole, isolated case I hope they're one and the same) Doctor Who is a new factor in the equation of fantastic literature. Since 1963 the Doctor and his exploits have been a consistent element of British culture. But we're only now being treated to the wonderful universes of Who here in the States. For those of us who were exposed to both the TV series on BBC and the long series of Doctor Who novels published in Great Britian, the time of solitary proselytizing is at an end. All we need to do now is thrust a Who novel into the hands of the unknowlegable, or drag the unwary to a TV set and turn it on as the good Doctor goes through his paces. That's all it takes. Try this book and you'll understand.

I envy you your first exposure to this amazing conceit. And I wish you the same delight I felt when Michael Moorcock, the finest fantasist in the English-speaking world, sat me down in front of his set in London, turned on the telly, and said, "Now be quiet and just watch."

That was in 1975. And I've been hooked on Doctor Who ever since. Understand: I despise television (having written it for sixteen years) and I spend much of my time urging people to bash in their picture tubes with Louisville Sluggers, to free themselves of the monster of coaxial cable. And so, you must perceive that I speak of something utterly extraordinary and marvelous when I suggest you watch the "Doctor Who" series in whatever syndicated slot your local station has scheduled it. You must recognize that I risk all credibility for future exhortations by telling you this TV viewing will not harm you... it will, in fact, delight and uplift you, stretch your imagination, tickle your risibilities, flense your intellect of all lesser visual SF affectations, improve your disposition and clean up your zits. What I'm saying here, in case you're a yotzwho needs things codified simply and directly, is that Doctor Who is the apex, the pinnacle, the tops, the Louvre Museum, the tops, the Coliseum, and other et cetera.

Now to give you a few basic facts about the Doctor, to brighten your path through this nifty series of lunatic novels.

He is a Time Lord: one of that immensely wise and powerful super-race of alien beings who, for centuries unnumbered, have watched and studied all of Time and Space with intellects (as H.G. Wells put it) vast and cool and unsympathetic. Their philosophy was never to interfere in the affairs of alien races, merely to watch and wait.

But one of their number, known only as the Doctor, found such inaction anathema. As he studied the interplay of great forces in the cosmos, the endless wars and invasions, the entropic conflict between Good and Evil, the rights and lives of a thousand alien life-forms debased and brutalized, the wrongs left unrighted... he was overcome by the compulsion to act! He was a renegade, a misfit in the name of justice.

And so he stole a TARDIS and fled.

Ah, yes. The TARDIS. That most marvelous device for spanning the Time-lines and traversing all of known/unknown Space. The name is an acronym for Time And Relative Dimension In Space. Marvelous! An amazing machine that can change shape to fit in with any locale in which it materializes. But the TARDIS stolen from his fellow Time Lords by the Doctor was in for repairs. And so it was frozen in the shape of its first appearance: a British police call box. Those of you who have been to England may have seen such call boxes. (There are very few of them currently, because the London "bobbies" now have two-way radio in their patrol cars; but before the advent of that communications system the tall, dark blue street call box--something like our old fashioned wooden phone booth--was a familiar sight in the streets of London. If a police officer needed assistance he could call in directly from such a box, and if the station house wanted to get in touch with a copper they could turn on the big blue light atop the box and its flashing would attract a "bobby.")

Further wonder: the outward size of the TARDIS does not reveal its relative size inside. The size of a phone booth outwardly, it is enormous within, holding many sections filled with the Doctor's super-scientific equipment.

Unfortunately, the stolen TARDIS needed more repairs than just the fixing of its shape-changing capabilities. Its steering mechanism was also wonky, and so the Doctor could never be certain that the coordinates he set for time and place of materializing would be correct. He might set a course for the planet Karn... and wind up in Victorian London. He might wish to relax at an intergalactic pleasure resort... and pop into existence in Antarctica. He might lay a course for the deadly gold mines of Voga... and appear in Renaissance Italy.

It makes for a chancy existence, but the Doctor takes it all unflinchingly. As do his attractive female traveling companions, whose liaisons with the Doctor are never sufficiently explicated for those of us with a nasty, suspicious turn of mind.

The Doctor looks human and, apart from his quirky way of thinking, even acts human most of the time. But he is a Time Lord, not a mere mortal. He has two hearts, a stable body temperature of 60°, and—not to stun you too much—he's approximately 750 years old. Or at least he was that age when the first of the 43 Doctor Who novels was written. God (or Time Lords) only know how old he is now!

Only slightly less popular than the good Doctor himself are his arch-foes and the distressing alien monsters he battles through the pages of these wild books and in phosphor-dot reality on your TV screens. They seem endless in their variety: the Vardans, the Oracle, Fendahl, the virus swarm of the Purpose, The Master, the Tong of the Black Scorpion, the evil brain of Morbius, the mysterious energy force known as the Mandragora Helix, the android clone Kraals, the Zygons, the Cybermen, the Ice Warriors, the Autons, the spore beast called the Krynoid and--most deadly and menacing of them all--the robot threat of the Daleks.

Created by mad Davros, the great Kaled scientist, the pepper-pot-shaped Daleks made such an impression in England when they were first introduced into the series that they became a cultural artifact almost immediately. Movies have been made about them, toys have been manufactured of Daleks, coloring books, Dalek candies, soaps, slippers, Easter eggs and even special Dalek fireworks. They rival the Doctor for the attention of a fascinated audience and they have been brought back again and again during the fourteen years the series has perpetuated itself on BBC television; and their shiveringly pleasurable manifestations have not been confined just to England and America. Doctor Who and the Daleks have millions of rabid fans in over thirty countries around the world.

Like the three fictional characters every nation knows—Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan and Superman—Doctor Who seems to have a universal appeal.

Let me conclude this paean of praise with these thoughts: hating Star Wars and Star Trek is not a difficult chore for me. I recoil from that sophomoric species of creation that excuses its simplistic cliche structure and homage to the transitory (as does does Star Wars) as violently as I do from that which sententiously purports to be deep and intellectual when it is, in fact, superficial self-conscious twaddle (as does Star Trek). This not to say that I am an ivory tower intellect whose doubledome can only support Proust or Descartes. When I was a little kid, and was reading everything I could lay hands on, I read the classics with joy, but enjoyed equally those works I've come to think of as "elegant trash": the Edgar Rice Burroughs novels, The Shadow, Doc Savage, Conan, comic books and Uncle Wiggly. They taught me a great deal of what I know about courage and truth and ethic in the world.

To that list I add Doctor Who. His adventures are sunk to the hips in humanism, decency, solid adventures and simple good reading. They are not classics, make no mistake. They can never touch the illuminative level of Dickens or Mark Twain or Kafka. But they are solid entertainment based on an understanding of Good and Evil in the world. They say to us, "You, too, can be Doctor Who. You, like the Doctor, can stand up for that which is bright and bold and true. You can shape the world, if you'll only go and try."

And they do it in the form of all great literature... the cracking good, well-plotted adventure yarn. They are direct lineal heirs to the adventures of Rider Haggard and Talbot Mundy, of H.G. Wells and Jules Verne, of Mary Shelley and Ray Bradbury. They are worth your time.

And if you give yourself up to the Doctor's winsome ways, he will take substance and reality in your imagination. For that reason, for the inestimable goodness and delight in every Doctor Who adventure, for the benefits he proffers, I lend my name and my urging to read and watch him.

I don't think you'll do less than thank me for shoving you down with this book in your hands and telling you...here's Who. Meet the Doctor.

The pleasure is all mine. And all yours, kiddo.

Harlan Ellison

Los Angeles
 

LL_Decitrig

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To mark the passing of Harlan Ellison in this thread, it's worth recalling that he wrote the foreword to the novelisations of Doctor Who in the US, back in 1979; some use of words that aren't acceptable today aside, it's a thing of beauty:

The style is everything I love about Ellison, with a liberal dose of what I dislike. He's lumping Mary Shelley with Rider Haggard. I'm not sure whether that's audacious or just gratuitously insulting. Nevertheless his task here was too convince sceptical readers and viewers to give this Doctor Who fellow a chance, and on that he acquitted himself admirably.

The series 11 Amazon-exclusive Steelbook is already up for pre-order!

I wish it had at least a minimal specification of contents. How many episodes, and is a Christmas episode included? I suspect the answer to the latter question is that there will be no Doctor Who this Christmas unless the BBC commissions one separately.
 

APZonerunner

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I wish it had at least a minimal specification of contents. How many episodes, and is a Christmas episode included? I suspect the answer to the latter question is that there will be no Doctor Who this Christmas unless the BBC commissions one separately.

I mean, you only need to look at ten-plus years of history for an answer to this anyway - Christmas episodes always bundle with the following series, and are always produced as part of the following series' block. So The Christmas Invasion was produced as part of Series 2 and shipped as part of that DVD, The Snowmen was part of Series 6 production, etc etc. The only exceptions have been when a Doctor/team has been departing - both The End of Time and Twice Upon a Time were tacked on to the previous series' production cycle, so... surely the same deal here. If Chibnall's crew do a Christmas Episode (which I'd honestly expect - Moffat said part of the reason he stayed for one more episode was to keep the continuity of a Who Xmas episode, because once the show misses that slot once it'll be easier for the BBC to not reinstate it), it'll be attached to Series 12 production-wise, it'll be the first episode of that next production block and have DVD placement to match.

And if there's no Christmas episode there'll be ten episodes on these discs, as that's how many are in Series 11. So we're losing two episodes this year, though each episode will be 5 minutes (ish) longer to clock in at 50 minutes each. American/international viewers may or may not get those extra minutes, as they might be cut for ads - previously Doctor Who was often cut from 45 to 40 for US broadcast by trimming gaps and removing a scene or two - not sure how they'll marry that to the extended length.
 

EvilRedEye

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Isn't this a bit of a weird one though in that the Christmas special will be out a couple of weeks after the finale and thus be tagged onto the end of production? It's likely the set will be released after it's aired which I think would make the S11 set the first to not include all the episodes broadcast up to that point, IIRC.
 

APZonerunner

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Isn't this a bit of a weird one though in that the Christmas special will be out a couple of weeks after the finale and thus be tagged onto the end of production? It's likely the set will be released after it's aired which I think would make the S11 set the first to not include all the episodes broadcast up to that point, IIRC.

That's true, though I honestly don't expect them to change the formatting. It's all a bit weird, mind. It's the least certain any of this has been since the split series in series 6, ey.
 

EvilRedEye

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I have a conspiracy theory that someone at BBC Worldwide has had an agenda to detach the Christmas specials from the season box sets since Series 7. That was the first time they tried to release a set with one of the specials missing and they only included it after complaints. Since then they've ramped up the idea of Christmas specials as standalone releases, with Time of the Doctor's standard release including the rest of Matt Smith's Christmas specials and that complete Christmas specials set they did a while back with the exclusive special feature. And now Twice Upon a Time has literally never been packaged in a set, a first for the new series. Someone at the Beeb has a dark and sinister Christmas special agenda, I tell ya!
 

M.Bluth

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Which is so dumb considering that unless it's a regeneration Christmas special, it's probably safe to skip since they're mostly bleh >.>
 

Tizoc

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I am getting so antsy for the trailer for the new series.
We're into July soon and the 3 month wait is annoying XP
 

ClivePwned

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Comic-con's only a few weeks away. Unless the Beeb is banking on a later England match to drop a teaser. After that leaked footage, I am ready!

I watched the two 60's Dalek movies over the last few nights. I have seen them both before a few times but it's been more than a decade since I watched both in full. They've better production values than the TV versions (The first Dalek story and Dalek Invasion of Earth) but they've had so many of the darker story edges sawn off (all of one Thal dies in the first one). The fire extinguisher guns look a bit naff too since most of the effects in the first film are in-camera, though the second movie manages a few optical mattes and one laser effect when the dalek saucer obliterates a van carrying 10-year old Susan. Peter Cushing makes an interesting doddery old buffer style, totally un-grumpy Doctor compared to Hartnell. Of course, Bernard Cribbins (Wilf) is one of the companions in the second one and Ian is much younger and goodier and Barbara's boyfriend in the first film. I used to dislike these movies as a kid since they weren't proper Doctor Who (even though the character even introduces himself as Dr Who) but you couldn't see Hartnell stories outside of a convention.

The specially made Dalek props are nice. They are bigger in most dimensions than the original TV ones, plus they're much taller with a taller skirt at the base, the big head lamps and of course the claws. Despite seeing this so many times, I never noticed things like some of the Daleks do still have plungers for arms and some have lamps in the eye stalk. Also, there are more of them than you ever saw on TV where they only had a few props and occasionally you can see masses of daleks are either badly-proportioned toys or photographic standees.
Here, they look so much more imposing and its a pity that they weren't used on the TV show (well one is in Planet of the Daleks- the really shitty supreme dalek is the only time a movie prop was used in the TV show).

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Paradox

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I know it sounds weird to say but it feels forever since I've seen a Dalek.

The last proper Dalek story was, what, Magician's Apprentice, nearly three years ago at this point (I hate time).

As much as I grew bored of them during the RTD era, I could totally go for a new Dalek invasion story in S11. I miss those metal freaks
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was a clip or a teaser around the World Cup final. Capalfi got similar treatment around the last World Cup.
 

JonathanEx

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I've heard second-hand that there's not a Dalek story this run, for what it's worth.

(What it's worth = not much). Ooh, it's playing the fun game of trying to suggest who I heard this from who heard it without giving it away. I'm not very good at this.
 

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I've heard second-hand that there's not a Dalek story this run, for what it's worth.

(What it's worth = not much). Ooh, it's playing the fun game of trying to suggest who I heard this from who heard it without giving it away. I'm not very good at this.

I wonder what's going on with that old they have to appear every year clause with the Nation estate. We've been getting them at least once a year still even if not with bonafide episodes, so it seems like that clause in the contract still exists. It'd be really surprising to see them completely unused, though... I feel like a Doctor isn't really the Doctor until they've faced them. Maybe it'll be a surprise turning up in the very last episode, as with Tennant's first year, hmm.
 

JonathanEx

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I should say - I don't know if they won't appear at all, or maybe Christmas (depending on definition of year...) so it's very much possible that that supposed clause still is in place.
 

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I should say - I don't know if they won't appear at all, or maybe Christmas (depending on definition of year...) so it's very much possible that that supposed clause still is in place.

While the BBC has never commented on it, we've had a few clues over the years that it is true, like RTD saying he had to "work a Dalek in" to the specials year (which ultimately manifested as the brief, one-scene Dalek cameo in The Waters of Mars). The fact that every year Moffat has squeezed one in somewhere (the decapitated one during The Wedding of River Song during Series 6 and the brief Kaled/Dalek war scenes in The Pilot in series 10, for instance) suggests it's probably a real thing. After all, if they're off air for too long, the seemingly quite greedy Nation estate probably sees a drop off in their toy revenue, ha.
 

EvilRedEye

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Unless they're resigned to keeping the design from 2005 I'd be surprised if they'd want to casually drop in the Daleks without fully reintroducing them.
 
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I've always fallen more on the side of them featuring the Daleks every year because they're the Daleks, rather than a clause with the Nation Estate, myself.

Why would you not include them all the time? They're the Daleks!
 

M.Bluth

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I've always fallen more on the side of them featuring the Daleks every year because they're the Daleks, rather than a clause with the Nation Estate, myself.

Why would you not include them all the time? They're the Daleks!
Because if you wanna do something bold and or special with them, the impact is lessened by having them getting curbstomped by the Doctor once again 9 months later
 

KingWillance

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Still amazes me how completely they ran away from the Series 5 redesign after building them up. The 2005 design is still pretty unassailable, mind. (And no, absolutely the candy colored Daleks we're a swing and a miss.)
 

Paradox

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Unless they're resigned to keeping the design from 2005 I'd be surprised if they'd want to casually drop in the Daleks without fully reintroducing them.

I think we have to be getting an updated colour scheme, bare minimum. The 2005 design is great and all but it is nearing a decade and a half old and entering an era that seems to be sweeping the board clean.

Give me a nice black and red one at least.
 

KingWillance

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I think we have to be getting an updated colour scheme, bare minimum. The 2005 design is great and all but it is nearing a decade and a half old and entering an era that seems to be sweeping the board clean.

Give me a nice black and red one at least.

I agree they're probably due a refresh in terms of color at the very least, but am curious about whether they will explain it in fiction or just ignore it. With how often colors were used to reflect factions and I kinda of reflexively worry about more internecine Dalek conflict plots...
 

M.Bluth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still amazes me how completely they ran away from the Series 5 redesign after building them up. The 2005 design is still pretty unassailable, mind. (And no, absolutely the candy colored Daleks we're a swing and a miss.)
Outside of the paintjob, I really don't hate the S5 redesign. I think they reused the white and maybe the red one in sparse numbers since, and those were the least offensive ones.

Give em a less plasticy looking paintjob and with some slight adjustments, I'm on board with their return.
Though it's not necessary. Like you said, the 2005 look is pretty damn perfect.
 

JonathanEx

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Oct 25, 2017
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It is interesting how well the 2005 design has impacted on people's minds that generally (some fandom levels excepted) it is what a Dalek looks like. That exact look. It's no longer smaller, bit less imposing, blue and grey and a bit shonky, it's redefined the 'regular' Dalek that deviation from it's going to be difficult.

Funny how we got to that from the 'bling Dalek' newspaper headlines mocking it being gold.

I do like the idea of doing some tweaks off it though, new colour combos, paint, but the shape is great. Maybe just scale it up if they need to be more imposing 'height' wise.
 

EvilRedEye

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Oct 29, 2017
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Apparently the 2005 ones were made to match Billie Piper's eyeline so they are quite short. It might be one of the reasons why they had another go in 2010 - Karen Gillen was a lot taller.