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Digital Foundry: Wolfenstein II on Switch
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Honestly I don't feel that Switch was made to play this kind of games, it's a device that is better suited in making original games for it which can be amazing, Ubisoft has been doing those and it has worked well.
Still this is a great achievement, Doom and Wolfenstein running on Switch is great.
Portable footage looks like "the future". Docked is bad mostly because of the low res but it was expected.
I'm not complaining about the comparison lol. I'm talking about the hot takes being made due to that comparison, including your own with that gif.
Once again demonstrating why it's unreasonable to expect ALL third party titles to be ported over. idTech is tech wizardry and if even that requires these kinds of measures to be taken... Yeah that doesn't bode well for Kingdom Come Deliverance/Red Dead Redemption 2/Cyberpunk 2077 and all these games people honestly expect to come their way.
Nobody is expecting Cyberpunk, right? That would be madness. That's one that I would say is basically impossible. Ha ha.
That last gen version of Crysis is a great comparison point actually.
I'm not sure many were expecting those specific games to come to the Switch...
Last gen could run Crysis at potato settings, so Switch could theoretically run it better than that - sweet potato settings.
Apparently, Wolf 2 Switch's gameplay got rebalanced to be less frustrating in spots so I might check it out when the price goes down further. It's not a full priced game out here, but it's not a budget game either ($69AU). It's a tenner more than Crash for Switch.
I've just watched framerate comparison and holy hell, didn't remember it was that bad lol. Still platinum'ed it though :P
There are other criteria than resolution to choose the system for a multiplatform game.
If it has gyro controls like Doom it is automatically better than the other console versions.
Some people will choose the Switch version above the other versions just because of this, blurry or not.
If it has gyro controls like Doom it is automatically better than the other console versions.
Some people will choose the Switch version above the other versions just because of this, blurry or not.
I would argue that 60FPS in fast paced FPS games is more important but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
When DOOM was patched with gyro I gave it a second playthrough and it elevated the game even higher to me. Playing Wolfenstein from scratch with gyro was just brilliant.
This...looks pretty good? It's amazing that this can be played on a handheld.Switch docked
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They should have ported some other game instead. Wolfenstein TNC is a game that is very cinematic and doesn't lend itself to arcade on the go gameplay so the game looking worse and running at half the framerate isn't the best way to play it. Though the reason for this particular game being ported could be since it runs on the ID6 engine which is already on Switch and is very flexible.
They should have ported Wolfenstein 2009 instead which is much more fun and better than this one in everything but the story. That game was long and would have worked much better for a handheld.
Impressive work nonetheless.
They should have ported Wolfenstein 2009 instead which is much more fun and better than this one in everything but the story. That game was long and would have worked much better for a handheld.
Impressive work nonetheless.
There's a difference saying that any current gen game could run on the Switch (which is obviously technically correct with enough cutbacks) and expecting Cyberpunk 2077 to come over when is most likely a cross-gen game at best anyway. Multiplats that have the Switch as the baseline when they are being developed will look and perform better than Wolf 2 as it's harder to downgrade to hardware that is lower than what you expected for your game to run on.
I think one should play Wolf 2 in portable mode and then play Hyrule Warriors DE's supersampled 1080p in portable mode as an eyeball cleanser.
Also just to point out it wasn't just RE2 on N64 that adjusted resolution based on the RAM Pak (which I'm sure you know). There were several titles that done that if I remember correctly.
Maybe something you can touch on in a future DF Retro is the N64 RAM Pak and the various ways Devs used it.
I would argue that The New Colossus lends itself very well to a portable. Most levels are quite bite sized, probably more so than DOOM. Many are less than 20 minute segments which lend themselves very well to travel.
Fantastic technical achievement given the hardware involved.
An amazing time in gaming when this sort of experience is now available on a handheld gaming console.
Of course, the resolution and framerate will never match a full home console version, but it's not a bad price to pay for the experience we've ended up getting and for another high end FPS coming to the Switch.
You'll never please those that always want blood. They'll be in the Switch threads saying the Switch has no games, it has no third party games, and when those games finally come, they then say they don't look as good as they do on more powerful hardware, and act like they should never have been released.
An amazing time in gaming when this sort of experience is now available on a handheld gaming console.
Of course, the resolution and framerate will never match a full home console version, but it's not a bad price to pay for the experience we've ended up getting and for another high end FPS coming to the Switch.
You'll never please those that always want blood. They'll be in the Switch threads saying the Switch has no games, it has no third party games, and when those games finally come, they then say they don't look as good as they do on more powerful hardware, and act like they should never have been released.
I can play OG Doom on a literal toaster, doesn't mean I would want to.
I would prefer that developers make specific games for Switch so they can use hardware the best they can do from the start. But many people are expecting 3rd party developers to port games on Switch because Doom and Wolf 2 can run on it. And then sometimes call devs lazy and some of them call out publishers because there are no ports.
Bizarre but also fascinating... really. Despite those lower resolutions, it seems to hold onto a surprising amount of detail...or something resembling detail when it comes to a lot of those complex scenes.
Doesn't change the fact that it looks like dog shit. Yes, it's impressive to get it running on switch, doesn't mean its a good version of the game. That low res will affect gameplay negatively (and you already make a sacrifice in control department if you play in portable mode) add the fact it's a 30 fps shooter port that is designed to play at 60 and you have a very poor representation of the original. Impressive feat but you make several major sacrifices to play this version but some people are fine with that or have no choice so it's great they get to play this.
I see your point. It did have plenty of those "kill commanders using stealth or full Rambo" encounters so I can see that a great fit for the portable gameplay.
The reason I feel the game isn't as good for portability is the amount of cutscenes because they very hard to go through if you want to play for 5 minutes at the time and have never played the game before. I can see it working out on a replay.
I still feel Bethesda should remaster and port Wolf 2009 to current gen consoles and the Switch because it was a really good game for those asking for pure classic old Wolfenstein gameplay.
That was both educative and fascinating
It reminded me to a mix of both SNES and GBA versions of Doom. All the textures, some tweaks on geometry here and there, lower resolution and lots of tricks
Whatever you think about this version, it's outstanding on a motherfucking tablet
It reminded me to a mix of both SNES and GBA versions of Doom. All the textures, some tweaks on geometry here and there, lower resolution and lots of tricks
Whatever you think about this version, it's outstanding on a motherfucking tablet
is already about it.
its the natural course all Switch Ports threads will take
Most people are expecting 3rd party games such as CoD and others that have been on the Wii and Wii U beforehand. Obviously games that focus on more bleeding edge graphics would not make much sense I agree but Doom and Wolf 2 do show that the Switch can run AAA 3rd party games if the engine is scalable and if the people playing it are ok with the compromises that have had to be made.
What's the purpose of this comment? The switch is what it is and so is this version. There is no punching above weight, nothing that is really a surprise.
In context of the best looking fps handheld game, it also has the lowest resolution this whole gen, by quite a bit.
You can always try to give things context to make something look better than it might be but the hard facts are there: dynamic resolution down to 360p, 30fps limit but by no means a lock.
Impressive port. I'm sure this is not how *I* want to experience this game, but it's impressive for what it is and many people will enjoy it despite its flaws
drop a few millions on a better SoC that dont make battery 1 hours long and we have a deal.
Yeah, when Switch owners say "I want more 3rd party games on Switch" they mean those that could feasibly run on it, stuff like Black Ops 4 (possibly without the BR mode), Resident Evil 7 and Spyro. I don't see anything in those three games that would make a port to Switch 100% not worth the time and resources, whereas games like AC: Odyssey and Battlefield V you'd be foolish for expecting them to come to Switch.
Frankly the "not everything can come to the Switch" is one of the most frustrating strawmen arguments I've seen surrounding the console. You even have otherwise nuanced folk like ZHugeEx (see his posts in the recent "Are 3rd parties missing out" thread) misconstruing the desire for more third party support as a desire for "all" third party support when that's never really been the case.
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and so on most "concern people" decides to focus on "its half empty".
we could sit and talk about the marvels it is for this type of games to run on portable and what a nice stepping stone Switch is for a power handheld based line future for nintendo.
but who need that, instead lets just nag about how the port does not look as good as their stationary hardware counterparts. that should be more production. certainly
They are offering the full package, all effects all the "atmosphere" and there is always the "wow is it that low res OMG I can't stand that low res!" people here and on youtube. Let me tell you one thing my PC's up to this point was never the top of the line variety so usually the first thing I did when I started playing a game was lowering shadows and maybe disabling them sometimes. I rarely played a game in full hd -other than recent years ,because the consoles and pc's using samish hardware somewhat stalled the graphical advancement of games and I had a rx480 fairly early- or all the effects maxed. I never minded fps even after knowing and clearly seeing the difference between 24-30-60-120 fps etc. For example the most played game on my PC right now is BF1 and I know for a fact that it doesn't hold a constant 60fps all the time. What should I do at this situation ? Buy new hardware ? Stop playing the game ? No, because IT IS ENJOYABLE to play games not to now the precise numbers and try to achieve them or bust.
Switch port really seems impressive. These guys really seems to know ins and outs of the hardware. Reminds me of the early days of gaming, those days devs had limited resources and they had to squeeze every bit of hardware power to get what they want to achieve. They had to use many different tricks too. That way there were innovations in gaming everytime someone tried something new. These days you don't see this innovating so often.
Would buy the game if I can get it a bit lower because of money problems atm. Also thanks to John and DF. They really give great insight to these digital "wonders" of our generation.
Switch port really seems impressive. These guys really seems to know ins and outs of the hardware. Reminds me of the early days of gaming, those days devs had limited resources and they had to squeeze every bit of hardware power to get what they want to achieve. They had to use many different tricks too. That way there were innovations in gaming everytime someone tried something new. These days you don't see this innovating so often.
Would buy the game if I can get it a bit lower because of money problems atm. Also thanks to John and DF. They really give great insight to these digital "wonders" of our generation.
Single console owner this gen and I love gaming on the Switch.
I'll get this and play it mostly in docked mode but having to option to take it with me is awesome.
Fantastic analysis. It apparently requires a lot of research work for platform comparsion.
I am fascinated by the porting job done by Panic Button. While resolution is a huge downside, by the video, it looks really good on Switch. I am surprised by the stable framerate, geometry and particle effect. It probably looks very nice on that screen in handheld mode.
BTW, I am playing Doom on PC right now. My rig can easily achieve 100+ fps in max setting, and I am considering to buy its switch port. Even though it cannot provide the best experience, I want to play it when my family is occupying the TV, while also supporting those wizards at Panic Button and Bethesda for putting their trigger on these ports.
I am fascinated by the porting job done by Panic Button. While resolution is a huge downside, by the video, it looks really good on Switch. I am surprised by the stable framerate, geometry and particle effect. It probably looks very nice on that screen in handheld mode.
BTW, I am playing Doom on PC right now. My rig can easily achieve 100+ fps in max setting, and I am considering to buy its switch port. Even though it cannot provide the best experience, I want to play it when my family is occupying the TV, while also supporting those wizards at Panic Button and Bethesda for putting their trigger on these ports.
if Switch makes its 20M mark, im sure the guy will have their work schedule full from now on till the end of the generation. bring in the money baby
I would gladly buy a pro version if it means most games run at native resolution in handheld mode