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AmFreak

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Oct 26, 2017
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Okay, if Europeans want the United States to rescind its protection of the continent then it should pay back the Marshall Plan money. That's around $110 billion.
No problem, we will we will deliver you tobacco and overpriced cotton that you will have to take and subsidize in order for your economy to take it, but we also expect pro german propaganda as "compensation".
 
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May 12, 2018
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I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.

Its okay let them think their the good guys.

The insecurity is real.

It's okay guys, the USA might be as heinous as the totality of European history one day.

Just believe!
 
Nov 2, 2017
1,881
Den Haag, Netherlands
I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.
Yeah you guys are fucking ANGELS.



Why are you making this a pissing contest?
 

JustinP

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,343
Putin would stop him. There are a million reasons to not invade someone, and the American bases in Germany don't rate particularly high on them. The biggest one is that an invasion doesn't serve any of Russia's strategic interests.
The baltic states are in Russia's way in securing Kalingrad/access to baltic sea

The US isn't the only nuclear power in NATO
Russia has more nukes than EU and EU probably doesn't want to start a nuclear war over the baltics anyway.
 
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Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
16,237
Los Angeles
I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.

Not sure why you assume we're all Europeans. Kinda xenophobic to think that only non-Americans would dare shit on America.

I'm Hispanic-American and I can say that yes, America is a piece of shit nation.
 

Lunar Wolf

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Nov 6, 2017
16,237
Los Angeles
Never fucking talk about foreign policy again. You clearly have no clue of the nuances involved and instead want to peddle black and white stances, and somehow think you can scale up individual human morals up on the national scale and international scale (which has been a thing academics in the goddamn 70s understood you couldn't do)

I can only judge them from my own individual morals just like everyone else. I mean I can cite America's warcrimes if you'd like.

Also, I can talk about anything I want. Don't try to police me, bro. Just because your country is the world police doesn't mean you are.
 

poklane

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Oct 25, 2017
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the Netherlands
I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.
Yup, the current generations are totally responsible for all of that.
 

y2dvd

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Nov 14, 2017
2,481
Umm, shouldn't we be withdrawaling from our 800+ bases around the world anyways?
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
20,459
This is fucked. And it's not even Trump's fault at this point. The GOP is handling a new world order to Putin.
 

Deleted member 5028

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I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.
Because Americans weren't responsible for wars in Iraq, Afghanistan (and the creation of ISIS) and the forced concentration camps for immigrants.

But yeah let's talk shit about the previous generations and apply their crimes to the people of today. Just like we do with all US folks who wiped out the native population of the Americas.
 

4Tran

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Nov 4, 2017
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The baltic states are in Russia's way in securing Kalingrad/access to baltic sea
Neither of these are a particularly large problem for Russia. They realistically have full military access to Kaliningrad and can base whatever troops they want to there. Also, there is no way to militarily defend the Baltic States against Russia, and they would be fully overrun within a few days with or without American bases in Germany. The reason Russia has not done so is a combination of not wanting to do so, and it being more troublesome than it's worth.

Umm, shouldn't we be withdrawaling from our 800+ bases around the world anyways?
These bases are one of the prime reasons why the US is still at the top of the world. Lose them and you risk ceding that position to China.
 

Sloane

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Oct 25, 2017
1,244
I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.
I mean... isn't the distinction between Europeans and the US a little weird in the first place? The US only exists because we Europeans went over there and slaughtered basically all the natives; most of the guys in the US in charge today are decendants of people from Europe... singling anyone out seems dumb, everyone in the West has been commiting atrocities for centuries.
 

JustinP

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Oct 25, 2017
6,343
Neither of these are a particularly large problem for Russia. They realistically have full military access to Kaliningrad and can base whatever troops they want to there. Also, there is no way to militarily defend the Baltic States against Russia, and they would be fully overrun within a few days with or without American bases in Germany. The reason Russia has not done so is a combination of not wanting to do so, and it being more troublesome than it's worth.
So you went from "Putin will stop Putin from invading a NATO ally" to "there's nothing NATO can do to stop Putin from invading a NATO ally"
 

4Tran

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Nov 4, 2017
1,531
So you went from "Putin will stop Putin from invading a NATO ally" to "there's nothing NATO can do to stop Putin from invading a NATO ally"
My point is that there is no such thing as a military solution. Russia has overwhelming military advantages in the Baltic State area and NATO is at their weakest there. But not everything requires a military solution, and saying that "nothing military" is not the same thing as "nothing". And it's these non-military reasons that keep Putin from invading (aside from not wanting to in the first place).
 

entremet

You wouldn't toast a NES cartridge
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Oct 26, 2017
60,218
Why are you guys, fighting. silly bastards lol. USA and Germany and most of Europe are dear allies. Stop being silly, guys. Yes, Trump is a demagogue outlier in Putin's pocket, but this won't last.
 

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Trump, if you have any soldiers on Norwegian soil (which I think you do), remove them please, I don't want them here.
 

behOemoth

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Oct 27, 2017
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Ramstein in Germany is the Hub for the US drones in the middle east and many other machinery. Trump would do me a very big favour if he would remove that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Ocean Bones

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Oct 29, 2017
4,725
The US is not to be relied on. The EU needs to make moves quickly to protect themselves and neighbor countries from Russia.
 

behOemoth

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Oct 27, 2017
5,630
The US base in germany has almost no importance to be any deterrence for any invasion. Ramstein became the mainhub for the US Force to have direct communication via glass fibre to drones and satellites over Africa and the middle east, so they can continue their "war on terrorism". It's basically the sole interest of the US to maintain that base and that's the main reason why the biggest US base outside the homeland is here in germany.
There were many reports a while back ago: http://www.spiegel.de/international...y-a-key-center-in-us-drone-war-a-1029279.html
 

Deleted member 9838

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Nonsense.

Russia is gonna get destroyed in open conflict with France, Germany, UK and Italy.

They have no way to keep up occupation of 500 million people. They can't even defeat Ukraine or Syrian rebels.
Russia isn't ever going to go to war with Western Europe. People on this forum speak like old men who fought in Vietnam.

It's obvious why Russia won't ever engage in conflict except little proxy excursions. The country is poor and has a weak military.

What they can do is though is take advantage of and get emotional reactions out of the west. It's not even a problems caused by them. All they have to do is attach their name and cause a little confusion and then benefit from the crazy reactions in the West. It's pathetic how unaware most people are. It's like with terrorism. Terrorists don't even have enough strength to kill .00001% of the population but they can do little attacks to get people overworked and thus appear stronger than they are.
 

Occam

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Oct 25, 2017
2,510
Reminder that the American Echelon surveillance system which is spying on all of Europe is based in Germany, too. Germany should just kick these people out.
 

leder

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Oct 25, 2017
7,111
Sad how this thread just devolves into a shitfight between the US and our allies. Even if the troops remain, Putin is already getting his way by breaking up the strong alliances of the liberal democratic world order.
 

famikon

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Oct 25, 2017
4,604
ベラルーシ
Not long now. Putin want his legacy to be the restoration of the Sovjet union. I guess I'll have to give him props for thinking outside the box regarding his methods. Weaponizing reality television is a fairly revolutionary way of waging warfare. He couldn't have done it without the american media.
more like Russian Empire than USSR.
USSR = internationalism, modern Russia = nationalism
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,660
Does he have a notebook with orders from Russia? He's doing everything a traitor leader would do to cede power to the Russians.
 

Bitch Pudding

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Oct 25, 2017
4,202
Sad how this thread just devolves into a shitfight between the US and our allies. Even if the troops remain, Putin is already getting his way by breaking up the strong alliances of the liberal democratic world order.

Americans are to blame for the collapse of the West, not Putin. They chose to vote for a giant bigot, brainless nazi turd to lead them out of free will. No one forced them to. Says more about them than the turd, now does it.
 

leder

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Oct 25, 2017
7,111
Americans are to blame for the collapse of the West, not Putin. They chose to vote for a giant bigot, brainless nazi turd to lead them out of free will. No one forced them to. Says more about them than the turd, now does it.
Where did I say American's aren't to blame? I'm just saying this serves Putin, not the west.
 
Feb 16, 2018
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the military presence was a symbolic safeguard against nazi ideology after world war 2

but now that white supremacy is the ideology of the US executive branch...
 

famikon

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Oct 25, 2017
4,604
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It's pretty amazing how you can go through the Foundations of Geopolitics and see how they align with current world events and russian activities.

On the US:

On Europe:
At the same time:
China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet–Xinjiang–Mongolia–Manchuria as a security belt. Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction – Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensation.
China won't agree on that. So his ideas is already useless.
Please there's no mention about India. It's very important country in that region.
 

nasirum

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Oct 25, 2017
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Somewhere
Guys to be clear Justice Kennedy decided to resign a week after confirming new hires for his office.

Trump has loans from Justice Kennedy's son's bank (Deutcsche Bank (sic))

This is 100% treason happening under our noses.
 

Deleted member 40133

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Remember how the last Democratic president had to fix the economy? Well, the next Democratic president is going to have to fix the broken relationships with our allies.

I don't think its that simple, and rightfully so. Everyone would just say "and how do we know you won't elect another fuck nut? It's clear your checks and balances do absolutely zero". People are underestimating the damage done, things will never be the same
 

game-biz

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Oct 25, 2017
4,724
This would be terrible if Trump actually goes through with this. Putin must really be enjoying all this.
 

Deleted member 10612

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He will never do this. US bases around the world are a key factor tor the imperial doings of the US. Would hurt them much more then Germany.

Man, the support the US has lost in my circle of friends is reaching critical mass. My gf has a tank top wich has a big American flag on it. A fashion item. She wore it couple of days ago and friends asked her "why are you wearing something with the American flag on it?" In a rather disgusting and condescending tone. This is not going to go away any time soon.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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You'd think the Joint Chiefs would be big enough Cold Warriors that they'd rather launch a military coup against Trump than give up the world stage to the Russians.
 

Prophaniti

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Oct 28, 2017
2,028
I love all these Europeans taking the chance to shit on America. Let's see the pain and suffering caused by European nations:

- Slavery
- Imperialism / Colonialism
- World War 1: Death count: 18 million
- World War 2: Death count: 60 million

Africa is still recovering from being raped by the French / Dutch / Belgians.

The last 50 years have been the most peaceful time in human history.
None of that matter cause Trump though. Ugh.

You're completely delusional if your believe that for a second.
Are you so far gone now youre denying history?
 

Rigby

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Oct 25, 2017
693
Ask yourself, if there wasnt US bases all around the globe the world would be much different today than if the US was to follow trumps america first policy back in the 1950s after WWII.
The reality is the US has been backing coups and dictators around the world for decades. That's a fact.
 

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The reality is the US has been backing coups and dictators around the world for decades. That's a fact.
Its also a fact that the United States has been providing massive amounts of humanitarian aid around the world for decades. It also rebuilt Europe from the ground up, but hey only the bad things matter.