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APZonerunner

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I think them being short isn't a big deal, honestly - I think there's something imposing about how they're short and stocky, whereas the massive, bulky ones somehow are less imposing, and they'd still feel so even if they weren't in the nasty colours.

I'd quite like to see the 2005 look in some different colours, though. There's some fan builds which are the 2005 blueprint with classic series silver/blue colours and I'm just like - how have they never made one of these?? The gold should be the standard, obviously, but a bit of variety is fine...

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KingWillance

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I don't mind them being short. The more you try to make a Dalek look imposing I feel like you get away from them being scary for what they do and how absolutely not-human they are.
 

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Apparently the 2005 ones were made to match Billie Piper's eyeline so they are quite short. It might be one of the reasons why they had another go in 2010 - Karen Gillen was a lot taller.

Randomness abounds. The 2005 what?

Okay, looks like you mean the 2005 dalek redesign. No, daleks were always rather shorter than male human height.

The 2010 daleks are taller. That's a change. Obviously a taller, more imposing prop can change the acting dynamic. It probably makes more room for electronics, air conditioning, sandwiches and the like, for the benefit of the dalek operator.
 

Joqu

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I like colourful daleks. I like big daleks. I don't think the 2010 ones look great, but there was enough potential there that I feel it's unfortunate they almost completely abandoned them after their introduction episode, negative reception be damned. (I like a good dalek, but let's face it, they do look goofy anyway.) I at least wanted them explore the different positions. Supremes, Eternals, Scientists, Strategists... That could have been good. Could have kept smaller ones as foot soldiers.

(I know that's what they supposedly did, but you can barely tell that's the case. They redesigned them for Asylum of the Daleks and personally I think it works.

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But yeah. Barely did something with them after that.)

I've also grown really really tired of the bronze ones, sorry. It's a fine Dalek colour, but so are plenty of the classic ones. I don't like how they have stayed the same for so long. At least make them black again, or silver or gray. Any excuse to sell some new merch.

Randomness abounds. The 2005 what?

Okay, looks like you mean the 2005 dalek redesign. No, daleks were always rather shorter than male human height.

The 2010 daleks are taller. That's a change. Obviously a taller, more imposing prop can change the acting dynamic. It probably makes more room for electronics, air conditioning, sandwiches and the like, for the benefit of the dalek operator.

I don't know about the 05 ones being designed to match Billie's eyeline (though it would make plenty of sense considering their first episode), but the Victory of the Daleks Confidential definitely mentioned them being bigger because of Karen Gillen's height for what it's worth.
 
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Nikus

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I've decided to finally jump into the Big Finish audio dramas. Since we're in the middle of Tom Baker's run on Twitch I would have liked to start with him (and then Davison, etc., I'll revisit previous Doctors later). Baker seems to have made quite a few in recent years. I don't expect him to sound young or energetic at 80 years old, but were his audio stories good?

Btw, I read this earlier today:
Tom Baker says he was "diminished" by Doctor Who producer who caused him to quit
And this:
Tom Baker says Matt Smith was the only person who welcomed him on Doctor Who's 50th special

I know Moffat was super stressed during that period but that's sad. Still, good guy Matt.
 
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Radiophonic

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I'm way behind on my BF listening, but the Tom Baker stories I've listened to I enjoyed. You can just pick whichever of his companions you prefer and go from there (aside from Sarah Jane, of course). He also did (not long before he started doing BF work) two series of stories for BBC Audio with Mike Yates and a newly created companion that are decent if you really want to dig deep.
 

Nikus

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I'm way behind on my BF listening, but the Tom Baker stories I've listened to I enjoyed. You can just pick whichever of his companions you prefer and go from there (aside from Sarah Jane, of course). He also did (not long before he started doing BF work) two series of stories for BBC Audio with Mike Yates and a newly created companion that are decent if you really want to dig deep.
Ah yes, some Lost Stories right? I'll check them out if I can.
 

Radiophonic

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Ah yes, some Lost Stories right? I'll check them out if I can.
The BBC stories aren't Lost Stories, if those are the ones you mean. Actually, there were three series of the BBC stories (Hornets' Nest, Demon Quest, Serpent Crest). They're available in one big box set under the title The Nest Cottage Chronicles. Each series is its own arc, though they do tie together. As to the Big Finish stuff, there's a lot to choose from. I was just looking to refresh my memory, and I see they did do a couple Lost Stories, and there's the Philip Hinchcliffe Presents series, the Virgin novel adaptations, and then the regular series releases.
 

Naijaboy

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I can't believe the most iconic Doctor got shafted like that. Why was the actor so hated like that?
 

APZonerunner

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Randomness abounds. The 2005 what?

Okay, looks like you mean the 2005 dalek redesign. No, daleks were always rather shorter than male human height.

The 2010 daleks are taller. That's a change. Obviously a taller, more imposing prop can change the acting dynamic. It probably makes more room for electronics, air conditioning, sandwiches and the like, for the benefit of the dalek operator.

If you watch the Doctor Who Confidential from 2010 - 5x03, "War Games" - they specifically say that the 2005 Dalek was built so that its eye stalk would be a match to Billie Piper's eye line, but Karen is the better part of a full foot taller, and next to Karen the old ones when shot in a flat shot do look a bit silly. So, yes, they are a different height than the classic ones. The reason that's cited in 5x03 is of course that's the episode covering the new, taller design. It wasn't the sole reason for the change but given they specifically bring it up it was definitely a factor.
 

Joqu

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I've decided to finally jump into the Big Finish audio dramas. Since we're in the middle of Tom Baker's run on Twitch I would have liked to start with him (and then Davison, etc., I'll revisit previous Doctors later). Baker seems to have made quite a few in recent years. I don't expect him to sound young or energetic at 80 years old, but were his audio stories good?

Btw, I read this earlier today:
Tom Baker says he was "diminished" by Doctor Who producer who caused him to quit
And this:
Tom Baker says Matt Smith was the only person who welcomed him on Doctor Who's 50th special

I know Moffat was super stressed during that period but that's sad. Still, good guy Matt.

Yeah, but then there was this way back in 2014:

I tried to flee but the enthusiasm of the crew meant I was in big demand for pictures and autographs. People were nice but I longed to be away.

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/tom-ba...-did-not-discuss-their-who-50th-scene-filming

I wouldn't take a statement like that too seriously either way, Tom is a bit of a diva. I also feel like it's a bit of a clickbait-y title anyway though, he seems more intent on praising Matt than anything there.

(His scene was filmed with a skeleton crew by the way, something to keep in mind.)
 

Nikus

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The BBC stories aren't Lost Stories, if those are the ones you mean. Actually, there were three series of the BBC stories (Hornets' Nest, Demon Quest, Serpent Crest). They're available in one big box set under the title The Nest Cottage Chronicles. Each series is its own arc, though they do tie together. As to the Big Finish stuff, there's a lot to choose from. I was just looking to refresh my memory, and I see they did do a couple Lost Stories, and there's the Philip Hinchcliffe Presents series, the Virgin novel adaptations, and then the regular series releases.
Thank you for the info. Getting into the audio dramas is a bit overwhelming, there's so much stuff.

Yeah, but then there was this way back in 2014:

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/tom-ba...-did-not-discuss-their-who-50th-scene-filming

I wouldn't take a statement like that too seriously either way, Tom is a bit of a diva. I also feel like it's a bit of a clickbait-y title anyway though, he seems more intent on praising Matt than anything there.

(His scene was filmed with a skeleton crew by the way, something to keep in mind.)
Oh right, now I remember reading that at the time. Yeah Baker said a few times in interviews that he had always wanted to be a god and worshipped and he's not completely joking, though he manages to say this in an endearing way.
 

Paradox

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Eh, I think I'm increasingly of the stand point that Daleks should keep quiet unless they're a fancy red Supreme or something, and even then they should barely say anything of importance other than a few vaguely portentous things. When you start 'humanising' Daleks you immediately take the scary factor out of them. Was it in the Magician's Apprentice where they were described as rabid dogs? That's what I want. Killing machines that you don't even bother talking to. Leave the dialogue to Davros.

(Rusty was a fine one-off concept)
 

mclem

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Thank you for the info. Getting into the audio dramas is a bit overwhelming, there's so much stuff.

The easy way in is to catch when they roll around on BBC Radio 4Extra, that happens for the older dramas quite frequently (indeed, it's how I caught the classic early McGann ones)

As luck would have it, Tom's Demon Quest series has been broadcast recently enough that it's still on iPlayer, and - because it's radio - ought to be available outside the UK. Here's the first episode, with ten days left on the clock for that one. It may be smart to look into get_iplayer so you don't have to listen to it all within the time remaining.
 

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Just finished The Girl Who Waited (S6 E10). Good lord the Doctor is one freaking bastard.

He outright murders future Amy.
 
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LL_Decitrig

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I love that episode so, so much. I was not huge on the Smith years, but that's one of my favorite Who episodes, period.

Yeah. After watching it, I always have to get it into my head that old and young Amy are both played by the same actress. The part is written so well, and Karen Gillan carries it off so perfectly, that old Amy is a striking character and I'd love to have seen more of her. Apparently the original plan was to have her played by a different actor, but I can't imagine how that would have worked. Old Amy isn't really that old, so the absence of a resemblance to young Amy would be distracting unless played by an exceptionally talented actor. I think Karen showed that she is that actor.
 
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Joqu

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Hmm. Well that's good! Thanks.

But I'm not sure why it's not working then. Chrome should give me a prompt to enable Flash but it's not doing it for that page. It normally does it. I checked using Edge but it's the same thing there. I never use Edge though, so maybe I'm missing something.

I uninstalled Internet Explorer but maybe that would work.

edit: Yuuup, IE did the trick. Yuck? I guess I'll need to sort some flash issues out then, but that's another topic.
 
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Nikus

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RIP leaker I guess
I don't like leaks usually, but I'm glad I could see a snippet of 13, even if it was in potato quality. She's gonna be great.
 

Proteus

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The leaker we were linking to here said he only put his stuff up after someone else had already leaked it. I wonder if he will get zapped in all of this as well.
 

StallionDan

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Netflix UK got Class so I watched it.

Who was this for? It's a such a mix of things that don't go together. Spin off of a kids show, but starring young adults, with more adult themes.

Sarah Jane adventures was all kids, from themes to stars. Torchwood was all adult.

Class just a mess though.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Class just a mess though.

It was fairly incoherent, but it did have its highlights. I would like to see more about Miss Quill. Some of the dialogue was pretty surreal, with unimaginably alien creatures arguing with one another like sulky adolescents. I had some hopes for the quirky writing and the great cast to grow with the series.

The BBC stuffed it on the online-only channel BBC Three in a sort of cargo cult manoeuvre intended to conjure up a teen audience without actually devoting real resources to capturing that audience. Exposure on BBC One might just have done the job, but would have required them to take teen drama viewers seriously enough to give this show as much prominence as any of a dozen vile "reality" ritual humiliation shows.

It was Doctor Who's off-year, so you can bet I watched every single episode repeatedly until the series was aged out of the BBC Three circulation on iPlayer.
 
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Class was bizarre. It felt like it kept switching between The Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood in terms of tone. One scene you have "family friendly" deaths, the next you have overly gratuitous gorey ones.

Also found it really bland and ended up dropping it a few episodes in.
 

Joqu

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I watched some episodes and actually liked a few of them quite a bit, but not enough to really get invested. Never finished it.

I still might, someday. But I heard it ended on a huge cliffhanger so that's a bit of a turnoff. Could at least finish it as a regular Doctor Who episode...
 

Nikus

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I think I liked only two episodes of Class. I didn't care for the characters at all.
 

Joqu

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By the way, I don't know if anyone else here purchased the new Tom Baker blu-ray set (season 12 of classic Who), but mine arrived today and I'm really pleased with the upgrade. The audio sounds greater than ever and while the picture is still upscaled SD I think it looks like a noticeable upgrade. The amount of new extras is pretty incredible too. And damn is the UK packaging beautiful. <3

I gotta mention that there are some new issues with two of the stories though. They'll be fixed for later reprints (apparently it has been selling quite well) and the BBC's DVD Support confirmed to me that they will be issuing replacement discs. So that's a bit annoying, but they're fixing it so it's not that big of a deal. I'm pleased if anything, it seems like I'll be getting perfection. (That's all for the UK release by the way, I don't know if they'll be doing anything for the US one.)

Anyway, I definitely recommend it, especially with the fixes in mind. And it seems like future sets are practically guaranteed for now so I'll be purchasing them all. My classic Doctor Who collection is pretty small so these releases are rather convenient for me. I really hope they'll manage to cover the entire series by the end, this one truly feels like a labour of love.
 

Nikus

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By the way, I don't know if anyone else here purchased the new Tom Baker blu-ray set (season 12 of classic Who), but mine arrived today and I'm really pleased with the upgrade. The audio sounds greater than ever and while the picture is still upscaled SD I think it looks like a noticeable upgrade. The amount of new extras is pretty incredible too. And damn is the UK packaging beautiful. <3

I gotta mention that there are some new issues with two of the stories though. They'll be fixed for later reprints (apparently it has been selling quite well) and the BBC's DVD Support confirmed to me that they will be issuing replacement discs. So that's a bit annoying, but they're fixing it so it's not that big of a deal. I'm pleased if anything, it seems like I'll be getting perfection. (That's all for the UK release by the way, I don't know if they'll be doing anything for the US one.)

Anyway, I definitely recommend it, especially with the fixes in mind. And it seems like future sets are practically guaranteed for now so I'll be purchasing them all. My classic Doctor Who collection is pretty small so these releases are rather convenient for me. I really hope they'll manage to cover the entire series by the end, this one truly feels like a labour of love.
That sounds great. I don't own classic episodes myself, I've borrowed some DVD sets from my father-in-law but I'd love to have everything on bluray. I hope they continue.
 

EvilRedEye

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I was kinda meaning to mention the Season 12 set but didn't get round to it. Disappointed to hear there are issues. It's worth mentioning that it isn't a massive space saver - it is three DVD cases wide as opposed to five for the original DVDs. Given that booklets are increasingly rare these days, it's kinda gratifying to see that there not only is one but there is also a needlessly elaborate compartment that solely exists to house it.

The tarting up of the menus and packaging really do a good job of making it feel refreshed - the DVDs are positively stuffy in comparison.

Part of me thinks I would have preferred a Steelbook for space and matching with other releases though.
 

Joqu

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That sounds great. I don't own classic episodes myself, I've borrowed some DVD sets from my father-in-law but I'd love to have everything on bluray. I hope they continue.

Seems like they're definitely continuing for now, I'm just crossing my fingers it can last and curious what'll happen if we get to the less popular stuff, and whether they'll be covering the first two Doctors with all their missing episodes. If they keep doing animations for those (and with the ever-present slim chance of new ones being found) I imagine they'll want to save that stuff for last.

It sounds like they won't be doing them in chronological order, so I imagine the second set will cover another fan favourite next to keep any momentum going. Most likely another Doctor, surely they'll want to save some Tom Baker releases for later?

I was kinda meaning to mention the Season 12 set but didn't get round to it. Disappointed to hear there are issues. It's worth mentioning that it isn't a massive space saver - it is three DVD cases wide as opposed to five for the original DVDs. Given that booklets are increasingly rare these days, it's kinda gratifying to see that there not only is one but there is also a needlessly elaborate compartment that solely exists to house it.

The tarting up of the menus and packaging really do a good job of making it feel refreshed - the DVDs are positively stuffy in comparison.

Part of me thinks I would have preferred a Steelbook for space and matching with other releases though.

Yeah, since I'm not replacing a big DVD collection space saving isn't on my mind, but I can tell this stuff will take up some serious shelf space if they're all this size. But I love it, nice boxes are kind of the whole point of owning physical media to me! And yes, the menus are lovely.

I believe the US doesn't get the fancy box, which might be a downer for folks like me but I think they do save a lot of space that way.


Regarding the issues, I guess I should share them here for easy access. Again, it has been confirmed they will be issuing two replacement discs in the UK, I don't really know about the US. I read somewhere that they will be getting replaced there too, but don't quote me on that.

Disc 3 (The Sontaran Experiment)

The audio of Part 1 is messed up. It's a rather unfortunate mistake. The rest of the serial is fine. I think it sounds really bad, but apparently it depends on your audio setup. Some people have said they don't notice it.

Disc 5 (Revenge of the Cybermen)

A bunch of smaller issues. They add up in my opinion, but I have to admit I'm surprised they're bothering to replace that one.

Part 1: Michael Wisher's name is misspelled in the credits
Part 3: Ian Marter's credit is overlapped with the subsequent one
Part 4 (Revenge's big issue IMO): a single-frame visual glitch at the end of the episode, when Harry and Sarah walk to the TARDIS.

The (optional!) new CGI for Revenge is also applied kind of inconsistently, and I'm not sure whether that happened by accident or due to constraints. Also, I'm not sure what the BBC will be fixing when it comes to Revenge, hopefully everything but it could be just the visual oddity as far as I know. All I know is that they're replacing the disc, so that's a good sign.

You can contact them at [email protected] if you want a replacement. I think that's a UK contact address, but I imagine they'll forward it for any of you US folks.


That also remind me that Series 9 of New Who had some bad issue too, and I know they never fixed that one. Different audiences I suppose, but I think it's a shame. Too late now.
 

EvilRedEye

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I read a rumour they're prepping the first two Fifth Doctor seasons but I've also heard similar about Season 10.

It will be interesting to see how they will approach the series as a whole given parts of the black and white era are missing, most of the early Pertwee era survives from low-quality source material and the Sixth and Seventh Doctor seasons aren't that popular. Maybe they could do double-season box sets with limited print numbers for the completists - that would allow them to do complete Sixth and Seventh Doctor sets (maybe a more appealing buy?) and a crap early Pertwee set. Would help them get the whole series out before the depreciation of Blu-ray too.
 

mclem

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I watched some episodes and actually liked a few of them quite a bit, but not enough to really get invested. Never finished it.

I still might, someday. But I heard it ended on a huge cliffhanger so that's a bit of a turnoff. Could at least finish it as a regular Doctor Who episode...

It's getting the Big Finish treatment, so maybe it'll get a conclusion there.

I... quite liked it, but I'm not exactly the most critical of people. Miss Quill was utterly delightful throughout, though, if there's one thing that absolutely deserves to be salvaged from it, it's her.