Bush. Sr at least seemed able to put country before party at some cases and approved some acts that were pretty alright, so I dont think he deserves the same blame as the monstrous Reagan.
How anyone can still call themselves a Republican and still feel okay with that is beyond me. If you're a Republican, you support Trump in all his forms. End of story.
I don't care if you hate his policies. But please do not use a KANYE quote to smear GW, or imply that he is racist.
Terrible response to Katrina by the administration, even daft to be honest. But he actually is a very nice person.
1956If I bring this up around certain friends, they just point to Abraham Lincoln as a Republican and say I'm wrong.
While this thread is here, I've been in a protracted argument with a "friend" on Facebook about when the 'switch' occured and the republicans adopted the more racist tones of the South and the Democrats became more humanitarian and supportive of equal rights for minorities. Does anyone have a good informative link here describing this?
I've always thought the turn happened around the Civil Rights movement under JFK, with Bobby Kennedy as AG (and even afterwards as a senator) meeting and talking with Ceaser Chavez, MLK, and others. And the turn was almost cemented into place when Nixon tried making it even harder for African Anericans to participate in elections.
Is that right?
There's no such thing as a good conservative.
They're all monsters that want minorities, women and pretty much everyone but themselves to die.
Sure they can, self-destructive ideation is also common among conservatives.
How anyone can still call themselves a Republican and still feel okay with that is beyond me. If you're a Republican, you support Trump in all his forms. End of story.
Also self hatred.Sure they can, self-destructive ideation is also common among conservatives.
No one is forcing people to be Republican.This is a weird thing to say. There's nothing wrong with being a Republican and not voting for/liking Trump. It's bizzaire to make such a stark accusation like people can only think one way, which is Republicans = Trump.
Republicans are spineless and suck, but it doesn't make it okay to just make a blanket accusation that "if YOUR a republican then you for sure 100% support trump". It's possible they don't and it's not fair/right to just assume they do
As I stated, I don't agree with his policies. But nothing that you said supports what OP stated.Uh - what? Are you saying W is a nice person? As in :"grab a beer with him?"
He started an illegal war that killed hundreds of thousands of people and guaranteed murder and instability in the Middle East for the foreseeable future and he ignored the country he was well aware actually carried out 911, because his family had been personally enriched by the Saudis, including Osama Bin Laden's family business.
Your sentence is constructed oddly, so maybe I am misunderstanding.
And as you noted, Katrina, but let's not forget a highly predictable and avoidable economic collapse.
NICE PERSON
It's better to say "American conservatives/conservativism" so you don't have disingenuous idiots trying to muddy the conversation on some "Republicans freed the slav0rz!!" shit, and the like
This is a weird thing to say. There's nothing wrong with being a Republican and not voting for/liking Trump. It's bizzaire to make such a stark accusation like people can only think one way, which is Republicans = Trump.
Republicans are spineless and suck, but it doesn't make it okay to just make a blanket accusation that "if YOUR a republican then you for sure 100% support trump". It's possible they don't and it's not fair/right to just assume they do
How anyone can still call themselves a Republican and still feel okay with that is beyond me. If you're a Republican, you support Trump in all his forms. End of story.
A polite monster is still a monster none the less.The racists were there but the fascists flocked to Trump during the primaries.
People like Miller and Bannon are very different from the typical Republican we had to deal with.
Even your examples illustrate how different they are.
Then why isn't Trump and his clearly corrupt administration not under bipartisan pressure? Because the GOP approves of it, tacitly or openly. So yes, you were taken over. You're accountable for it.
But then you have those outside the US and moderates whining about how Conservatism isn't what the Republicans are all about, blah blah, it's those religious Christian conservatives that hijacked things. And then you have the Christians coming in and screaming no no no not all Christians it's those crazy evangelicals.
It's always someone else ruining Reupublucans and conservatives good name.
As a conservative I resent this. I didn't vote for Trump, I wasn't even in the country to vote. I sent in an absentee ballot. We aren't all the same. Being a Republican doesn't mean always supporting the decisions of the party or always voting for the republican candidate. Right now they can fuck off until they gain perspective again. I'm about tired of being lumped in with trump supporters simply because of what my voter registration form says.
As a conservative I resent this. I didn't vote for Trump, I wasn't even in the country to vote. I sent in an absentee ballot. We aren't all the same. Being a Republican doesn't mean always supporting the decisions of the party or always voting for the republican candidate. Right now they can fuck off until they gain perspective again. I'm about tired of being lumped in with trump supporters simply because of what my voter registration form says.
Sorry, but that's just not how it works. You can be a supporter of ANY party and not for the line on every single stance or every single issue.
There's no guideline that says otherwise and you trying to portray all folks that are registered Republican in such a manner is completely ignorant.
This is a weird thing to say. There's nothing wrong with being a Republican and not voting for/liking Trump. It's bizzaire to make such a stark accusation like people can only think one way, which is Republicans = Trump.
Republicans are spineless and suck, but it doesn't make it okay to just make a blanket accusation that "if YOUR a republican then you for sure 100% support trump". It's possible they don't and it's not fair/right to just assume they do
But people problem with the republiRep party start long before Trump my friend. How do you respond to the years of legal discrimination against other people?As a conservative I resent this. I didn't vote for Trump, I wasn't even in the country to vote. I sent in an absentee ballot. We aren't all the same. Being a Republican doesn't mean always supporting the decisions of the party or always voting for the republican candidate. Right now they can fuck off until they gain perspective again. I'm about tired of being lumped in with trump supporters simply because of what my voter registration form says.
This. The current party is the result of courting tolerable versions of their bigoted ideals for decades. It was subtle; added in teaspoons so people who had no interest in actually looking beyond their rhetoric would swallow it down. And year after year, they added to it more and more and only now is it becoming overwhelming.
Right? Gerrymandering and voter restrictions done by the GOP haven't simply happened these past 5 or so years. It's been something they've been perfecting before I was even born.But people problem with the republiRep party start long before Trump my friend. How do you respond to the years of legal discrimination against other people?
As I stated, I don't agree with his policies. But nothing that you said supports what OP stated.
Also blaming Bush for the recession. Lol.
On-topic, there has been signs how right the Republican party was heading. Long before Trump. But pointing to moderate Republicans isn't really helping that.
Sorry, but that's just not how it works. You can be a supporter of ANY party and not for the line on every single stance or every single issue.
There's no guideline that says otherwise and you trying to portray all folks that are registered Republican in such a manner is completely ignorant.
You're signing up to play on the team.
Like the OP straight up late it out.
Even if you denounce Clown, he doesn't shame you enough to disassociate with the name.
And more likely than not, you probably worship God King Reagan and all his policies that ravaged the black community.
Republicans are racist. If that bothers you, then don't vote Republican. But clearly something is likable for people to overlook all the fuck shit if it isn't the fuck shit itself.
Here's the deal: the time for winning over has passed. If open bigotry, fascism, sexism, and racism and policies informed by those backwards ideals hasn't been enough to convince someone to join the cause: then there are issues that no amount of logic, reason or plesantries can solve. If someone's attitude on an internet forum is enough to get someone to either continue sitting on the fence or throw their hat in with bigots, "winning them over" was impossible to start with.You're unreasonable, illogical and straight up hyper-aggressive. If you want people to join your cause, you'll not win a single one over with this kind of approach.
Sorry, but that's just not how it works. You can be a supporter of ANY party and not for the line on every single stance or every single issue.
You're unreasonable, illogical and straight up hyper-aggressive. If you want people to join your cause, you'll not win a single one over with this kind of approach.
Remember: Every time a republican has talked about cutting welfare programs and getting "tough on crime", they've said it with a wink and a nod that it'll fuck over the latinos blacks most.
You're unreasonable, illogical and straight up hyper-aggressive. If you want people to join your cause, you'll not win a single one over with this kind of approach.
Pretty much. They don't hate the policy, actions or prejudice. If they're upset now, it's because Trump doesn't cloak his intentions and it's prompted their supporters to do the same.Here's a tip, they've not been taken over they've let the true form reveal itself.
Still crazy to me that the man who said that Bush doesn't care about black people is chummy with the man whose ignoring of an island nation in its time of greatest need led to thousands of deaths.
Even if you're not actively racist, you're just as complicit if you empower racists. Fiscal conservatives are the epitome of "fuck you, got mine".
The wealthy intellectuals you'd hope would drive for moderation have instead embraced the reality that left to its own devices, the GOP was doomed to demographic failure, but they see that it can be extended, perhaps indefinitely, through nationalism, racism and extreme court-driven gerrymandering.
But that's a nonsense for the average voter. If only those who genuinely, meaningfully benefitted from republican tax policy voted, they'd lose in the greatest landslide and lop-sided vote in legit political history. The numbers would look like the North Korean election.
But mah taxes. We're good people.How anyone can still call themselves a Republican and still feel okay with that is beyond me. If you're a Republican, you support Trump in all his forms. End of story.
I dealt with this yesterday at the protest debating with someone. Apparently an average of 2,000 extra dollars should be enough to think trump is great and to say fuck everybody else's problems. Yes there's a lot of people hurting but an extra 77 dollars a pay is worth it.