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Wkd Box Office - 6•29-7•1•18 - Fallen Kingdom Repeats #1. Sicario beats tracking. Drew is fine too.
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I liked it more than most but to be kind, yes.
Without saying too much the movie is going to inevitably leave you with a sour taste in your mouth.
Oh snap. I keep forgetting that BP and IW both came out this year. I don't think anyone else is close to that, besides maybe Pratt (depending on JW2's final numbers).
If we're comparing receptions to JL, Solo is not getting memed to death.
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The film opens with Muslim terrorists bombing an American grocery store. They suspect that the terrorists were smuggled into the US by the Mexican cartels based off of some prayer mats left at the border, and another dude blowing himself up as border police stop illegal immigrants trying to cross over.
It then transitions to Brolin's character (and team) killing a bunch of Somali pirates, and capturing the leader to figure out how the Muslims got to Mexico. Instead of torturing the leader for the info, Brolin drone strikes his family members one at a time.
Based on all this, the White House wants to justify a war on the Mexican cartels, but they don't want to appear to be the aggressors. So they come up with a plan to kidnap the daughter of a cartel boss, and blame it on a rival, starting a cartel war in Mexico that they can intervene in. Del Toro is called back to aid in this and the cartel war.
Only none of that happens after the kidnapping, because the film makes a series of very odd story choices that make the entire first half pretty pointless. Oh, and they randomly drop that the muslim terrorists were American citizens all along near the end. Maybe that should have been fact checked first.
It then transitions to Brolin's character (and team) killing a bunch of Somali pirates, and capturing the leader to figure out how the Muslims got to Mexico. Instead of torturing the leader for the info, Brolin drone strikes his family members one at a time.
Based on all this, the White House wants to justify a war on the Mexican cartels, but they don't want to appear to be the aggressors. So they come up with a plan to kidnap the daughter of a cartel boss, and blame it on a rival, starting a cartel war in Mexico that they can intervene in. Del Toro is called back to aid in this and the cartel war.
Only none of that happens after the kidnapping, because the film makes a series of very odd story choices that make the entire first half pretty pointless. Oh, and they randomly drop that the muslim terrorists were American citizens all along near the end. Maybe that should have been fact checked first.
Did you see 'Hell or High Water'? It was a pretty damning statement on the misery in red state southern rural rot.
As for Sicario 2, apparently they gutted the story he wanted to tell, so I'll take it with a grain of salt. If the problem is a focus on the violence and darker sides of cartel activities and making life miserable for the people that live under that kind of environment, well, I mean, what do you want from a story that focuses on such a tale? Reality can be really ugly and sad, it doesn't mean that Mexicans are bad people. Hell if anything it means as a country we probably shouldn't be such dicks to immigrants who risk everything to get away from that place.
I'll reserve judgment until I've seen the second film, probably on Blu-ray, but the statement that TS must be right wing based on this film seems a reach to me without evidence.
https://www.propublica.org/article/propublica-audible-making-of-a-massacre-mexico-drug-war-dea
It depends on if you think being completely forgotten by our collective social conscience is better than being memed.
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$1 billion is not the high end for Incredibles 2. I feel like we have to go through this every time Pixar releases a film. The international take is low because the overseas territory releases are staggered. It will hit 1B with ease.
A billion is the absolute floor for the Incredibles, and there's a strong chance that it passes it with ease. Some of the film's strongest markets are weeks away from opening.
Someone who has stated he refuses to see the film probably shouldn't randomly be giving someone else a snarky reply when they say it was good.
That means there's opportunities to revisit a movie like Solo in the future for further discussion instead of the memes being the end all be all of a movie. And I thought JL didn't deserve the memes.
lol there is nothing right wing in the movie. The whole movie is about how the American government over reacts and ruins relationships out of fear.
Everything with Jon Bernthal is intense and great
Guy isn't in enough films
My SO of the time was digging her nails into my arm the entirety of that scene.
She was legit shook.
I got you covered.
I agree with all of this.
I wonder about that. There doesn't appear to be any passion for Solo, one way or the other. In a couple months we'll get "lttp: Solo was fine" threads and the usual crummy YouTube videos about it. But as for ongoing discussion around it? I don't know. The biggest discussions around it are the poor box office and conspiracies about the state of lucasfilm. No one is really talking about the movie itself.
Hey I'm actually curious to know how this turns out lol
Early reviews had said it's extremely brutal
I agree with this observation. Discussion on Solo's qualitative merits came and went without much fanfare.
The fact that you're all glossing over The Meg is really grinding my gears.
The Stath is the true box office gold.
The Stath is the true box office gold.
Got any proof to back up that hot take? I watched it twice and it was pretty obviously anti-US intervention.
Derrickson is also someone who compared Transformers fans to Trump voters, thinks he makes 'cinema' and not movies, and lashed out at film critics for criticizing superhero movies.
Being such a cornball might have been justified if he was even a halfway good director, instead he's most known for making fucking Doctor Strange lol
All his flicks have been damning of the US government and thier failures.
Doctor Strange is brilliant, and so is most of his other films. Derrickson praises, I listen, and most often then not I agree. See his take on Watchmen - which I begrudgingly agree.
This and this.
I really want another Batfleck movie. Was the only good part about BvS.Well, he'd know, working for Marvel and all
I'm struggling to think of any real memorable images from the movie. His second point gives the awful story far more credit than it deserves. You've got to really reach to find anything resembling a remotely interesting plot point in this movie.
God, I hope Marvel Doesn't bring this guy back for the Doctor Strange sequel.
I honestly think he's coming back and they would be really stupid if they did not. DCEU fanboys were going crazy for him to taking over Batman before Matt Reeves came up in the picture. Scott Derrickson and Massawyrm are a match made in heaven for Doctor Strange. No one in the industry gets this character and world as much as they do.
What exactly is 'brilliant' in Doctor Strange? I'll agree that it's nice to look at, but so is Batman v. Superman. It has nothing of substance going on with either its character or thematic work. The plot unfolds in about as generic a manner as you can expect from an origin story. There's no scene in it that compares to, say, even Loki's outburst against Odin in the first Thor. Tricking Dormammu was sort of neat at best.
Yeah, if there's one metric you can rely on when evaluating potential talent, it's the reception from DCEU fanboys.
The Russos and Waititi did Strange way better than Derrickson and they had like five minutes each to do him right, not an entire film lol. So literally everyone who's done Strange on-screen has done it better than him.
Why do you always have to hyperbolize everything? No one in the industry gets the character and world like Derrickson does? Really? Doctor Strange was more compelling in Ragnarok and IW than his own movie.
Yeah, Derrickson's movie was solid with nice visuals and a good third act, but there are better directors out there who could do that and more. Of the Phase 3 directors, Derrickson is the weakest.
Emily Blunt was a fantastic metaphor for the disaffected American voter who isn't personally invested in the drug war, wants to believe our government doesn't play dirty about it, and refuses to accept any responsibility for their part in the devastation it has caused in so many parts of our country and South America. I really re-evaluated my initial feelings of the movie ("man that was kinda boring") after I watched a few critical reviews of Sicario, and enjoyed it much more on a second watch last night before Soldado today.
I enjoyed Soldado but it was much more an action movie than the first one, and it feels a bit more shallow. But a fun watch. My theater was packed as well on a sunday afternoon, I think a few production companies made a big mistake not putting anything big out the week before July 4th. JW2, Uncle Drew, Soldado, and Incredibles 2 had the theaters. Shoulda released Alpha this week.
I'm sorry if in my opinion Doctor Strange is brilliant. I just have the critical and public acclaim to back me up but I guess that's FAKE NEWS, amirite. You can disagree with me, stop telling me what to think tho. Also, if you haven't checked out, the fandom for Scott Derrickson's Doctor Strange film is HUGE in mainstream circles and Derrickson plays a big part on that. Doctor Strange isn't good is as bullshit as people claiming that The Last Jedi is hated and everything that is wrong with Star Wars.
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I'd say that it more than looks good. Derrickson and Massarwyrm have Doctor Strange's essence nailed and I'm hooked with it, and I'm not alone on that.
It's ironic coming from the dude that it's falling for the DCEU rhetoric that Doctor Strange was an awful boring film and that critics were totally bought to praise that film.
I agree that Russos and Waititi did an excellent job with a more experienced Strange. What you are missing here is that Derrickson and Massarwyrm REPORTEDLY worked very closely with the Russos and Taika, just like James Gunn did for Guardians. :)
Can you explain what makes it good besides the visuals?
I don't think DS is awful. It's just boring as hell. High critical reception or not, the most praise I can afford it is it's better than the bottom-barrel MCU shit like Age of Ultron, IM2, Thor 2, and Incredible Hulk.
It's probably the only movie in the franchise that I'd consider genuinely overrated. Thor Ragnarok too, actually.
Which is exactly why I don't want Derrickson back for the sequel? He can't do much on his own, clearly.
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