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Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait a minute, Ben Garrison is a racist, but this does seem a bit much for him. Wonder if it's a shop.



Ron Paul's primary claim to fame is publishing a racist newsletter - and having it defended and denied by delusional teenage libertarians who were often themselves racist.

Ron Paul is and has been tremendously racist. And he's a gold bug. And a vaxxer. And a creationist.
 
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Ron Paul's primary claim to fame is publishing a racist newsletter - and having it defended and denied by delusional teenage libertarians who were often themselves racist.

Ron Paul is and has been tremendously racist. And he's a gold bug. And a vaxxer. And a creationist.
He was also worshiped by Glenn Greenwald and HA GoodMan
 

PantherLotus

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Ayn Rand scholarship for high school essayists thing reminds me of something Yglesias was saying on The Weeds about the next SCOTUS pick, and that's that The Federalist Society has been soo fucking good at recruiting, teaching, training, grooming, and advancing conservative judges over the past couple decades that 1. the courts in general are remarkably conservative and 2. there's no real mystery how a SCOTUS pick will act once selected like there used to be. (outside of fringe cases that approach popular movements, obv.)

Anyway, I'm thinking liberals n' socialists should start something similar.

[ ] scholarships for Marxist essays
[ ] something to replace unions, fuck man i don't know
[ ] a judge development program

ok when i started this post it sounded a lot better in my head, but you get my idea. lefties need to do a better job of developing talent and developing minds is what i'm saying.
 

h8bit

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Oct 26, 2017
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Brooklyn, NY
It's going to be too hot anyway.

My family usually goes gambling, but we might push it off until it's not 95 degrees with a chance for thunderstorms.

"Temperate climate" my ass
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You see that purple part of NY in the west? I live there. It's not supposed to be 95 degrees!

From Western NY myself and while I loved growing up there, there are like.. so many red counties lol
 

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
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Oct 25, 2017
14,708
I found this interesting. Not quite sure what to make of it yet.

 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems like 1.3 mil docs finally released to the government today. Explains Cohen's sudden PR appearences.



Also, seems like maybe investigators didnt actually have the evidence yet. Today might be the first day for that...


Be hilarious if Nunes demands accidentally revealed new or previously unknown avenues of investigation to Mueller.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Last night I thought about this Congress and its lack of productivity. When Truman ran in 1948, he bemoaned the "do-nothing" Republican Congress that had assumed power after the 1946 Republican landslide. Ironically, that Congress actually passed a hefty amount of legislation, both positive (the Marshall Plan) and negative (Taft-Hartley). Devious they may have been, but not lazy.

This Congress, meanwhile, more than merits the title, under a Republican president, no less.
 

futurevoid

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm so freaking glad I became a citizen when I did.
I don't understand how cases are prioritized with USCIS. Both of my parents became citizens last year. My father put in his application in November of 2016. He didn't take the oath until July 2017.

My mother put in her application in May 2017 and took the oath in August of 2017.

I would imagine that they do these things in order but I remember being stunned at how fast everything went through for my mother.
 

Ithil

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Oct 25, 2017
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So is the reason Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, and Nunes so far up the DoJ's ass to have these documents is that they want to know how much dirt Mueller has on them? Or are they just True Believers (tm) of the One Trump Way, like Gaetz?
Their main goal is to manufacture a fake scandal where they keep demanding documents they don't even read much of so they can claim Rosenstein is stonewalling them, in contempt, blah blah. Every time they get documents, they instantly move the goalposts and go "We didn't get everything we asked for!". They're trying to create an excuse to get rid of Rosenstein so they can stop Mueller.
 

TerminusFox

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Oct 27, 2017
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One thing I'm looking forward too in the wave is getting rid of all these Republican Governors in blue states.

How we let that happen is beyond me.
 

DTC

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Oct 25, 2017
2,582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGa5qQsYY-g


Damn this candidate seems awesome. Endorsed by Emily's List, which has a pretty good track record in primaries.

She's running for KS-03, which is a Romney-Clinton district that is represented by Republican Yoder. I think she'll definitely win if she wins the primary.
 

patientzero

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Oct 25, 2017
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Luckily, my school experience was pretty non-ideological. Perhaps the closest we got was the AP History courses using a couple chapters from Zinn's People's History of the United States

The high school my asshole stepdad forced me to transfer to my sophomore year was in the lily-white suburbs (specifically, Jackson Township near Canton, OH). We literally had a handful of black students in a school of nearly 1,200 with a smattering of Indian students and other demos. For reference, my previous high school neared 2,000 students with about 40% being white. I was at Jackson from Fall 2001 to Spring 2004, and by the end my classmates were literally reading and quoting George Will.

And then there's the moment that I tell very few people about. On 9/11 the school had us watch everything that was unfolding, a decision I agree with, but as the day went on and people were discussing who was behind the attacks some of us who were a bit politically astute concluded it was bin Laden. Now, I don't remember how fast that info was officially reported, but as I was going through the halls toward the end of the school day a guy I knew from study hall yelled out loud, "Kill the Muslims, drink their blood." I knew that dude thought he was joking, the sort of stupid shit someone with no worries and no connections to the globe says to get a rise. But even if meant as a joke, that was the moment I knew that that day would only end up in global tragedy rather than reflection and growth.

I'm so freaking glad I became a citizen when I did.

One of my MA profs, a guy who taught my first real graduate seminar, went for his citizenship in early 2017. Granted, he'd been here since the 80s and was coming from Britain as a highly-educated, successful, white man but he read the tea leaves and decided this might be his last chance.

One day when we were walking from the class I was TAing with him he mentioned in no uncertain terms (he is a beautifully blunt man) that he found it "fucked up" that as he was sitting in a Cleveland immigration office the televisions in the background were set to CNN broadcasting a Trump speech. He said it was chilling to have to see people who didn't have his privileges subjected to that shit in a place they should feel safe and welcomed.

I found this interesting. Not quite sure what to make of it yet.



When similar reporting came out last week, and assuming I'm interpreting that correctly, I do have a hypothesis that young, mobile whites probably have leeway to support a more "radical" candidate. If you're black or impoverished or otherwise marginalized it may be better to stick with the devil you know, to use a poor phrase. Just a hypothesis, but one I'd love to see some research on.

Last night I thought about this Congress and its lack of productivity. When Truman ran in 1948, he bemoaned the "do-nothing" Republican Congress that had assumed power after the 1946 Republican landslide. Ironically, that Congress actually passed a hefty amount of legislation, both positive (the Marshall Plan) and negative (Taft-Hartley). Devious they may have been, but not lazy.

This Congress, meanwhile, more than merits the title, under a Republican president, no less.

Is there any fairly legible resourced demonstrating the productivity of various Congresses? I'm willing to bet that beyond this particular session being stagnant, the obstruction of 2010-2016 might make this the least productive decade for Congress since inception.
 

DTC

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Oct 25, 2017
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One thing I'm looking forward too in the wave is getting rid of all these Republican Governors in blue states.

How we let that happen is beyond me.

The republican governors in Vermont, Maryland, and Massachusetts are heavily favored for reelection because they are generally very moderate and respected, and it turns out that people are actually very willing to vote for genuine moderates. The Republican party doesn't seem to understand this though given how they keep losing easily winnable Senate seats.
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
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We figured Obama would stop everything they did.

It wasn't just the assumption that Obama could stop them. 2010 was active anger against Obama for not getting every pie in the sky ideal done in 2 years. A lot of excited but insanely naive people voted in 2008 and then didn't realize he's not an emperor and then they didn't understand when he couldn't get single payer healthcare, close Guantanamo, etc. all asap.
 

TerminusFox

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Oct 27, 2017
3,851
The republican governors in Vermont, Maryland, and Massachusetts are heavily favored for reelection because they are generally very moderate and respected, and it turns out that people are actually very willing to vote for genuine moderates. The Republican party doesn't seem to understand this though given how they keep losing easily winnable Senate seats.
Even still, I'd rather the moderates be in actual red states, tbh.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
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These people are fucked. And to think that they could still be doing this shit had they not thrown their support behind Trump and got him elected.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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One thing I'm looking forward too in the wave is getting rid of all these Republican Governors in blue states.

How we let that happen is beyond me.
Corruption by dem governors. Thats the risk of having an all powerful dem state machine running the blue state politics.
 

JustinP

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Oct 25, 2017
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And back in the real world, two of my favorite podcasts collide to discuss the supreme court:

 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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The high school my asshole stepdad forced me to transfer to my sophomore year was in the lily-white suburbs (specifically, Jackson Township near Canton, OH). We literally had a handful of black students in a school of nearly 1,200 with a smattering of Indian students and other demos. For reference, my previous high school neared 2,000 students with about 40% being white. I was at Jackson from Fall 2001 to Spring 2004, and by the end my classmates were literally reading and quoting George Will.

And then there's the moment that I tell very few people about. On 9/11 the school had us watch everything that was unfolding, a decision I agree with, but as the day went on and people were discussing who was behind the attacks some of us who were a bit politically astute concluded it was bin Laden. Now, I don't remember how fast that info was officially reported, but as I was going through the halls toward the end of the school day a guy I knew from study hall yelled out loud, "Kill the Muslims, drink their blood." I knew that dude thought he was joking, the sort of stupid shit someone with no worries and no connections to the globe says to get a rise. But even if meant as a joke, that was the moment I knew that that day would only end up in global tragedy rather than reflection and growth.

9/11 happened when I happened to go to Catholic school for one year, my freshman year of high school. We heard about it and they had it on the TVs at lunch but that was it. They just had us go about the day as usual. Our asshat bio teacher was even like, "One of my relatives works at the Pentagon but we need to go about our day as usual and continue class."

Would have learned a lot more if we were able to hunker down and follow the news.
 
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