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FatPuppy

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We wouldn't have a Mueller investigation with Hillary. We'd have a House Republican investigation into her emails and Uranium One.

And in this theoretical world, there is no way in hell they'd ever let her appoint a Supreme Court Justice as long as she was "under investigation for illegal activity" (which would be always).

Somehow, that excuse doesn't stop the president in our reality.
 

FreezePeach

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Oct 25, 2017
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Could be something could be nothing, but seems like they want Flynn sentencing to be quick once they say they are ready to sentence after they just delayed that because they are still using him.

 

Autodidact

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Fun story: Tom Cole (OK-04) visited my school earlier this year to speak with the Teach for America teachers. (Let's not get started on that topic.) As he left, two 8th grade girls got into a fistfight in the cafeteria and emitted bloodcurdling screams.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fun story: Tom Cole (OK-04) visited my school earlier this year to speak with the Teach for America teachers. (Let's not get started on that topic.) As he left, two 8th grade girls got into a fistfight in the cafeteria and emitted bloodcurdling screams.
Now I'm curious on your thoughts about TFA. It's your fault for saying not to get started.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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Trump: Trade wars are good and easy to win.
Also Trump: But we're not in a trade war.
Also Trump again: This trade war will work itself out for the best.
Also Trump still: And if it doesn't, that will also be good for us.

*pinches bridge of nose*
 

Jupiter IV

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Jan 6, 2018
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Which governor seats are we expected to take in the midterms this year? MI, and what else?

Almost no one likes Ducey in AZ, at least (this is like a week old)
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...uceys-campaign-gets-bad-news-polls/736611002/

said:
A poll released Tuesday by NBC News/Marist showed that 59 percent of registered voters surveyed in Arizona thought a person other than Ducey should be governor.

It found just 26 percent thought he deserved re-election.

Another poll released Monday from Emerson College, taken half by automated phone calls and half by an online survey, showed Ducey's approval ratings relative to Trump:
Ducey approval rating: 31 percent
Trump approval rating: 43 percent

Trump, however, had more voters disapprove of him than Ducey.
Ducey disapproval rating: 39 percent
Trump disapproval rating: 49 percent
Apparently Garcia is the frontrunner for the dem primary, but 48 percent undecided there so...
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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One of my MA profs, a guy who taught my first real graduate seminar, went for his citizenship in early 2017. Granted, he'd been here since the 80s and was coming from Britain as a highly-educated, successful, white man but he read the tea leaves and decided this might be his last chance.

One day when we were walking from the class I was TAing with him he mentioned in no uncertain terms (he is a beautifully blunt man) that he found it "fucked up" that as he was sitting in a Cleveland immigration office the televisions in the background were set to CNN broadcasting a Trump speech. He said it was chilling to have to see people who didn't have his privileges subjected to that shit in a place they should feel safe and welcomed.


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I'm similarly white and educated and damn lucky - a fact that was never more obvious than when I first lived here on a H1 visa, there was a typo on my computerized records that meant younger less experienced customs agents weren't familiar with the flag or how to clear it, so sometimes I'd be sent to the crying room for secondary screening. The rooms were invariably filled with crying older women of Latin and East Asian origin- often waiting for a relative to come save them.

The agents would take one look at me and stick my passport at the front of the queue because they assumed my paperwork was going to be quicker and easier to resolve.

But even on the fifteenth or sixteenth occasion, I'd be terrified and helpless feeling - I can only imagine what those (usually) women were going through.

This was back in the day too, when things were less intense.

Immigration to the USA is difficult and stressful and expensive. And even then,I never resented illegal immigrants because anyone with eyes can see that they're an essential part of our service and agricultural industries. I couldn't walk a mile in their shoes.

You want a ten dollar avocado or a thousand dollar motel room, then keep building that wall.
 

Autodidact

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Now I'm curious on your thoughts about TFA. It's your fault for saying not to get started.
Many of the people they recruit and send have no classroom or teaching experience, and they undermine teachers' unions by bypassing certified teachers for these amateurs. Some of them become good teachers in spite of all of this, but I'd rather they actually pursued education degrees/certificates and got traditionally certified rather than taking a slapdash summer course.

In short, I think they trivialize the profession. Not everyone can teach, and the discipline itself requires extensive education and preparation to be effective. You cannot go from non-teacher to teacher in five weeks, and even though teachers should grow and improve on the job, you shouldn't be learning the basics (e.g., how to write a lesson plan) on the job. Again, many TFA teachers nail it and become valuable members of the school community. The program itself just gives me pause.
 

Linkura

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Many of the people they recruit and send have no classroom or teaching experience, and they undermine teachers' unions by bypassing certified teachers for these amateurs. Some of them become good teachers in spite of all of this, but I'd rather they actually pursued education degrees/certificates and got traditionally certified rather than taking a slapdash summer course.

In short, I think they trivialize the profession. Not everyone can teach, and the discipline itself requires extensive education and preparation to be effective. You cannot go from non-teacher to teacher in five weeks, and even though teachers should grow and improve on the job, you shouldn't be learning the basics (e.g., how to write a lesson plan) on the job. Again, many TFA teachers nail it and become valuable members of the school community. The program itself just gives me pause.
Fair points. Of course, the whole point of the program is to send in mainly people with no classroom or teaching experience to fill in gaps, which, yeah... isn't going to work out too well in many occasions.

I used to work for a charter school and yeah, we hired 1 or 2 TFAs per year. Obviously wasn't my decision or anything.
 

Autodidact

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Fair points. Of course, the whole point of the program is to send in mainly people with no classroom or teaching experience to fill in gaps, which, yeah... isn't going to work out too well in many occasions.
You nailed another part of it. We've made teaching such a stressful, underfunded, disrespected profession that we have all these gaps. If we improved the conditions of teachers and educations in general, I doubt we'd need programs like TFA.
 

studyguy

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Oct 26, 2017
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I too love Amicus and Dhalia has been on like 10 different shows in the past week alone just discussing SCOTUS with various people.






One thing though, Ezra Klein telling Vox listeners that midterms matter is like a god damn water polo coach telling his athletes they'll probably have to learn how to swim to succeed. Like if you're listening to Vox podcasts of all things, you were already going to vote, Ezra. Come on.

Also,

Hell of a wording choice here. Denmark wtf
 
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Double 0

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Many of the people they recruit and send have no classroom or teaching experience, and they undermine teachers' unions by bypassing certified teachers for these amateurs. Some of them become good teachers in spite of all of this, but I'd rather they actually pursued education degrees/certificates and got traditionally certified rather than taking a slapdash summer course.

In short, I think they trivialize the profession. Not everyone can teach, and the discipline itself requires extensive education and preparation to be effective. You cannot go from non-teacher to teacher in five weeks, and even though teachers should grow and improve on the job, you shouldn't be learning the basics (e.g., how to write a lesson plan) on the job. Again, many TFA teachers nail it and become valuable members of the school community. The program itself just gives me pause.

Having worked with them in the past (main office, not a corp member), that was always the part that annoyed me about it. And the part teachers yelled at me about when I brought up my job (I'm in IT so I was away from the internal politics, but got to hear a lot about it).

And I saw the negative results of that slapdash program, how it scared people away from the profession, left bad impressions on students, pissed off teachers, unions, parents... Real nasty fallouts. I remember Chicago being a huge battleground area.

The positives can be great though.
 
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Autodidact

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I too love Amicus and Dhalia has been on like 10 different shows in the past week alone just discussing SCOTUS with various people.






One thing though, Ezra Klein telling Vox listeners that midterms matter is like a god damn water polo coach telling his athletes they'll probably have to learn how to swim to succeed. Like if you're listening to Vox podcasts of all things, you were already going to vote, Ezra. Come on.

Also,

Hell of a wording choice here. Denmark wtf

Absolutely shameful. As is the AfD in Germany. As was the entire Brexit "taking back our sovereignty" (i.e., keep out the Mulsims) debacle.

The ~~~Enlightened Europeans~~~ will continue to tell us the Democrats would be center-right in any other country/America doesn't have a real left wing/America is backward, but look what happened to their welfare states and supposed "values" the moment they got an influx of brown people.
 

Suiko

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Absolutely shameful. As is the AfD in Germany. As was the entire Brexit "taking back our sovereignty" (i.e., keep out the Mulsims) debacle.

The ~~~Enlightened Europeans~~~ will continue to tell us the Democrats would be center-right in any other country/America doesn't have a real left wing/America is backward, but look what happened to their welfare states and supposed "values" the moment they got an influx of brown people.

They still won't get why such policies are difficult to implement here.
Still.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Absolutely shameful. As is the AfD in Germany. As was the entire Brexit "taking back our sovereignty" (i.e., keep out the Mulsims) debacle.

The ~~~Enlightened Europeans~~~ will continue to tell us the Democrats would be center-right in any other country/America doesn't have a real left wing/America is backward, but look what happened to their welfare states and supposed "values" the moment they got an influx of brown people.

Nailed it. I keep thinking of that poll from Pew that showed that Americans are more open to immigration and the idea that it makes the country better than numerous European countries. Half of the United States population would actually make up a country worthy of being a leader on the world stage.

The other half is basically goddam Kansas.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
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You nailed another part of it. We've made teaching such a stressful, underfunded, disrespected profession that we have all these gaps. If we improved the conditions of teachers and educations in general, I doubt we'd need programs like TFA.

Yup. If we treated teachers with respect and gave them wages in line with the incredible service they do for society, we wouldn't need TFA or any other programs like that (there are a lot of them out there smattered throughout the country).

Teachers are paid and treated reasonably well in some parts of the country, and so there's a lot of demand in those places. Problem is it's extremely unbalanced throughout the country. Perhaps there should be some baseline national regulations in terms of teacher rights and minimum wages that are based on COL and experience so teachers don't get fucked if they decide to teach in certain areas.
 

Abstrusity

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yup. If we treated teachers with respect and gave them wages in line with the incredible service they do for society, we wouldn't need TFA or any other programs like that (there are a lot of them out there smattered throughout the country).
woah, woah, giving teachers respect and wages? We're not made of dollars, cents, or sense!

What if instead we gave tax breaks to millionaires and built another sportsball track?
 

Paches

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Oct 25, 2017
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You nailed another part of it. We've made teaching such a stressful, underfunded, disrespected profession that we have all these gaps. If we improved the conditions of teachers and educations in general, I doubt we'd need programs like TFA.
When my brother and his girlfriend moved up from Arizona to back here in Washington, the stories she had about teaching down there and the level of pay/benefits were astonishing compared to what she gets here. She recently brought up the fact that in their contract they have to substitute teach after they retire in order to receive their retirement benefits in full.
 

androvsky

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Oct 27, 2017
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Interesting that Cohen or Trump's lawyers would leak this to Buzzfeed.

Highly doubt it's from the SC and definitely not from SDNY.
It's probably that there wasn't anything particularly damaging in that dump; there was always a danger there wasn't anything interesting in the shredded documents and it was just what happened to be in the bins when he got raided. The interesting stuff is with the other...

"Dinner Reception Welcoming the Delegation from Qatar"

Well, maybe it's worth looking at. Could be a selective dump still.
 

Aaron

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Which governor seats are we expected to take in the midterms this year? MI, and what else?
Just going off of Sabato's ratings:

Lean D: Illinois, New Mexico

Tossup: Florida, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio

Lean R: Iowa, Kansas, Marlyand, New Hampshire, Wisconsin

Likely R: Arizona (I think our chances are severely underrated here), Georgia, Kansas, Oklahoma, South Dakota

But he also ranks Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, and Minnesota as Tossups which are D-held (Alaska's governor is Independent, but he's basically a Democrat - there's a three-way race going on with the incumbent, an actual Democrat former Sen. Begich, and an R).
 

Hazzuh

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Absolutely shameful. As is the AfD in Germany. As was the entire Brexit "taking back our sovereignty" (i.e., keep out the Mulsims) debacle.

The ~~~Enlightened Europeans~~~ will continue to tell us the Democrats would be center-right in any other country/America doesn't have a real left wing/America is backward, but look what happened to their welfare states and supposed "values" the moment they got an influx of brown people.
Brexit is about keeping out Poles and Romanians.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Nov 14, 2017
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So what was the final situation re. Prague? Two passports? No passport stamp because he drove from Germany England.? Or was it literally true that he never went near the place?

Buzzfeed actually looked at his passport. He flew into and out of the Schengen area (which includes Czech Republic) during the time stipulated in the dossier, but since you don't need a passport to travel between nations once in Schengen, it only has stamps for the entrance and departure nations.

Results: inconclusive.
 

Human

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican won the governorship in Connecticut: Malloy is a fuck up. I also expect Sununu to win re-election here in NH because, with one exception, governors here their first re-election campaign.
 
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When my brother and his girlfriend moved up from Arizona to back here in Washington, the stories she had about teaching down there and the level of pay/benefits were astonishing compared to what she gets here. She recently brought up the fact that in their contract they have to substitute teach after they retire in order to receive their retirement benefits in full.

Yeah, AZ has a pretty bad public teacher gap, which is what the conservatives down there want because they all pop boners for charter schools.

Also, you have to remember that AZ is a state with whole cities that don't allow young people to live within the city limits so old folks can dodge paying taxes for education, so in general, the culture of that state is a mess (and I lived there for a decade, so I do have quite a lot of experience with it).
 

Autodidact

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Sinema says she won't vote for Schumer as Majority Leader... even though he recruited her to run in this cycle.

Hollering. But she probably has the guile to pull it off.

Should I be cruel and post this article in OT? It has so much bait for people there.

It has Manchin:
Schumer declined to comment on Sinema's plan to vote against him. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), among the senators Sinema lists as a role model in the chamber, said he's eager to have another moderate join the caucus' half-dozen or so centrist members. But the Senate's most conservative Democrat said she's misreading Schumer.

"Basically, he gives his position, I give him my position, we go about our own votes and we go back and work on something different tomorrow. That's the beauty of Chuck," Manchin said.
It has Pelosi:
But Sinema is continuing her campaign against national Democrats, which started with her opposing Nancy Pelosi as the House Democratic leader.

"The Democratic leadership has failed Democrats across the country," Sinema said. "I am unafraid to say what I believe about what I think our party needs to do and I think our party needs to grow and change."
It has passages that would let people characterize Democrats as ~~~milquetoast centrists~~~:
Sinema gushes praise for Trump when it comes to veterans issues. Both of Sinema's brothers are veterans, and that's been a primary focus of her congressional career.

"President Trump has signed every single piece of veterans legislation we've sent him, including some bills that we couldn't get to President Obama," she said.
 

patientzero

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Corruption by dem governors. Thats the risk of having an all powerful dem state machine running the blue state politics.

There's certainly a lot of merit to that and no one should discount it, along with cyclical party swings, but I remember in the mid-2000s it being floated that a lot of states opt for Republican leadership out of a conflation we often make with leadership akin to Autodidact's big daddy theory. Republicans running for Governor can often tout "business principles" and other such folly to constituents.

9/11 happened when I happened to go to Catholic school for one year, my freshman year of high school. We heard about it and they had it on the TVs at lunch but that was it. They just had us go about the day as usual. Our asshat bio teacher was even like, "One of my relatives works at the Pentagon but we need to go about our day as usual and continue class."

Would have learned a lot more if we were able to hunker down and follow the news.

I'll always agree with the way my high school, regardless of its failings otherwise, committed to being open with us. We turned the TVs on just prior to the second plane hitting, so we all saw that shit, and the entire day every classroom was tuned in. The following day was then all about every classroom having in-depth and lengthy conversations about the circumstances, the state of the country, etc. It was a really remarkable and healthy way to approach the situation. To again contrast my previous high school, my best friend from those days and since said that they were left completely in the dark. Everyone knew something bad had happened but no one in the school administration was sharing details and the day was expected to be a normal school day. I still find that reprehensible.

In short, I think they trivialize the profession. Not everyone can teach, and the discipline itself requires extensive education and preparation to be effective. You cannot go from non-teacher to teacher in five weeks, and even though teachers should grow and improve on the job, you shouldn't be learning the basics (e.g., how to write a lesson plan) on the job. Again, many TFA teachers nail it and become valuable members of the school community. The program itself just gives me pause.

Oh god, learning to teach while teaching.

During my first semester in my MA one of my three courses was essentially pedagogy. Mind you, those of us in that course were tasked with teaching college comp that same semester. A lucky few of us had previous tutoring or teaching experience but that whole situation was a clusterfuck. In fact, we weren't even given the textbooks we were to teach from or any other materials until our orientation week, just one week prior to entering the classroom, and they were updating lesson plans and schedules up to the last minute. You'd form a rudimentary syllabus or lesson plan and five minutes later they'd change the whole thing on you. That's not to mention the deeply unorthodox way my department handled comp courses, which is more complicated than I think anyone wants to delve into.

I basically winged my entire course that semester, which was oddly healthy for me in some ways but was a real baptism by fire that I saw hurt and dissuade a lot of promising young instructors that needed more structure and time.

I'm similarly white and educated and damn lucky - a fact that was never more obvious than when I first lived here on a H1 visa, there was a typo on my computerized records that meant younger less experienced customs agents weren't familiar with the flag or how to clear it, so sometimes I'd be sent to the crying room for secondary screening. The rooms were invariably filled with crying older women of Latin and East Asian origin- often waiting for a relative to come save them.

The agents would take one look at me and stick my passport at the front of the queue because they assumed my paperwork was going to be quicker and easier to resolve.

But even on the fifteenth or sixteenth occasion, I'd be terrified and helpless feeling - I can only imagine what those (usually) women were going through.

This was back in the day too, when things were less intense.

Immigration to the USA is difficult and stressful and expensive. And even then,I never resented illegal immigrants because anyone with eyes can see that they're an essential part of our service and agricultural industries. I couldn't walk a mile in their shoes.

You want a ten dollar avocado or a thousand dollar motel room, then keep building that wall.

Oof, "the crying room" is just such an evocatively depressing phrase. Is that a general slang or your own creation?

The one bright point to the shit my professor saw was that we could integrate a lot of it into our lessons since we were teaching American Lit. 1865-1945, with a heavy emphasis on marginalized communities during that time period. Made for quite a week the time his citizenship oath coincided with our discussions, with primary documents, on the Chinese Exclusion Act.

The ~~~Enlightened Europeans~~~ will continue to tell us the Democrats would be center-right in any other country/America doesn't have a real left wing/America is backward, but look what happened to their welfare states and supposed "values" the moment they got an influx of brown people.

At the old place it was always very eye-opening when Roma topics inevitably crashed and burned. The worst part of those was seeing such rote, stereotypical racist language and tropes bandied about as verifiable truths by people who would turn around and enter topics about American racism to pillory the US. And when called out for their racist words and actions the replies always read, "Well, it's different here." No, it isn't.
 

Autodidact

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Brexit is about keeping out Poles and Romanians.
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So many Poles and Romanians.
 

TheHunter

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One thing I'm looking forward too in the wave is getting rid of all these Republican Governors in blue states.

How we let that happen is beyond me.
Illinois is easily explainable, a mix of Blogovich, Suburban moderates and whites thinking "How bad could a Union busting billionaire be?"
 

patientzero

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Brexit is about keeping out Poles and Romanians.

Shared it a few times before, but a paragraph that always stays with me from my (still) on-going thesis on zombies, xenophobia, and disease -

Wasik and Murphy report on a particular moment that equated globalization with the spread of disease, at least in psychological terms. As the Channel Tunnel opened in May 1994, thereby opening lanes of transit directly from France to England, many in the British countryside were stoked by fears of disease, none more prevalent than rabies (170). Though eradicated in the island nation in 1902, a poll of British citizens cited nearly 40% of respondents carried a fear of rabies transmission because of the colloquially named "Chunnel's" opening (171). So great was the fear that "some 88 percent of respondents" in Kent "believed the Chunnel would renders rabies "virtually unstoppable"" (171). As they wrote, "Rabies came to stand in for all manner of foreign ills; "the blessing of insularity," one member of Parliament remarked in 1990, "has long protected us against rabid dogs and dictators alike"" (171). Numerous novels and television adaptations of them featured rabid dogs brought from France, one of which featured a commercial so shocking, in which a couple's infected dogs "pounce on them, slavering", that the commercial was pulled from airwaves within hours (172-173). Amid this turmoil, importation of rabies into England since the Chunnel's opening rested in a single animal that "came not from France, but from Sri Lanka, by air, and it was diagnosed while still in quarantine" (175).
 

Autodidact

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At the old place it was always very eye-opening when Roma topics inevitably crashed and burned. The worst part of those was seeing such rote, stereotypical racist language and tropes bandied about as verifiable truths by people who would turn around and enter topics about American racism to pillory the US. And when called out for their racist words and actions the replies always read, "Well, it's different here." No, it isn't.
I hated those as much as I hated the blackface threads where we'd also be told, "No, it has a different association here."
 

patientzero

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I hated those as much as I hated the blackface threads where we'd also be told, "No, it has a different association here."

Oh jesus, yes! Although, if nothing else, it gave me tons of images of Zwarte Piet that I could integrate into classroom discussions of cultural bias and racism. My students certainly did not expect that shit.
 
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