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Thoughts?

  • I'm not watching the NBA

    Votes: 293 32.1%
  • He's coming off an Achilles injury stop overreacting

    Votes: 177 19.4%
  • David Stern & the league are lame for stopping the Chris Paul trade in 2010

    Votes: 192 21.1%
  • JMON

    Votes: 182 20.0%
  • LaMelo where art thou?

    Votes: 68 7.5%

  • Total voters
    912

legend166

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,113
If the NBA really want to increase competitive balance, all they have to do is get rid of the max contract. The problem is it will be really hard to convince the Players Association because you'll end up with situations where your superstar gets $80 mil a year and the rest of the team have to share $25 mil.
 

ViewtifulJC

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,020
im tired of Fjordson "oh gee im worried about the warriors :(" act. Nobody's buying this from a team that's bout to walk to the most noncompetitive three-peat in modern NBA history.
 

Rmagnus

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,923
that doesn't change his conclusion, does it? whether it's the fault of the league or the players, he's dissatisfied with the product and might not watch going forward.

I am sure there others will take his place. Always thought the objective is to win the game and teams should give themselves the best chance to win. Blame your own teams for not being good enough, not the other team for being too good.
 

Soul Skater

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,201
Even coming off of a major injury this is insane

Someone would have given him way more money even on a short term 1+1 or something

I remember the blazers giving Greg Oden a 1 year 10m deal a few years after it was pretty clear to literally everyone he was completely done just to see on the slim chance that he wasn't
 

Uno Venova

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,858
Damn, the league gets even more bitch made.

All this is going to do is devalue the worth of getting a ring, tbh. Dirk's one is probably going to mean more than KD getting 10 on this broken team.
 

Complicated

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,350
I've read a lot of comments that people tlwill stop watching the NBA. It's amusing to me because one, they know damn well they won't and two, what are you going to watch? Baseball? Lmao.
I watched one game this past season. My team just signed the best player in the league, and right now I probably am not going to beat that record this coming season. If we can also sign the most intrinsically expensive and most talented team in history at the same time as Golden State then I might start watching. Or if multiple Warriors starters are literally taken out for the rest of the season by a crazy fan or during a game I might start watching.

Edit: Literally wishing for wrestling storylines in the hopes of making the league more watchable.
 
Oct 28, 2017
27,633
California
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UltraMagnus

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
15,670
So Cousins could in theory be ready for opening night, but they're gonna let him rehab slow and come back around New Years time?
 

ryseing

Bought courtside tickets just to read a book.
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,546
For lovers
Not having Stugotz this week really stings now. I need to hear his takes about Boogie and the personal record book.

If the NBA really want to increase competitive balance, all they have to do is get rid of the max contract. The problem is it will be really hard to convince the Players Association because you'll end up with situations where your superstar gets $80 mil a year and the rest of the team have to share $25 mil.

Or institute a hard cap. Either way though the middle class player gets hurt which means the NBAPA will never approve it.

im tired of Fjordson "oh gee im worried about the warriors :(" act. Nobody's buying this from a team that's bout to walk to the most noncompetitive three-peat in modern NBA history.

He's a UK fan as well. I have no sympathy.
 

Jimrpg

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,280
Like I said in previous threads. If Lebron really wanted a ring, he'd take a pay cut. And its not about 'lining' the pockets of billionaires. It's about salary tax rules. At some point, its not worth paying 4x, 5x the salary. He should be surrounding himself with stars and making it fit into the salary cap.

This is what I'm talking about.

 

Mr X

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,241
Virginia / US
Lol - Cousins might not be the same player after the torn ACL, but this is still silly. Look forward to the box scores, probably won't be watching much.
 

Deleted member 11626

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,199
The Warriors play high-level basketball.

NFL rules prevent anyone from playing high-level football. NFL product is trash.

Last February's Superbowl between Philly and New England was far more entertaining than any NBA playoff game in the past couple of decades. Both were at a high level the entire season.

And maybe address the soft contact whistles and the flopping epidemic before we go calling the NFL trash because of rules.

Anyway the Warriors are about to threepeat and really this upcoming season should be their chase for a fifth ring...were it not for the nut shot™️. Kinda ridiculous just to think about it.
 

Violence Jack

Drive-in Mutant
Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,962
This really makes me miss the days where every team had at least one superstar player. Now you're going to have the best PG, 2nd best player in the world, top 5 SG, and the best center in the league albeit coming off a major injury which will bench him for at least until 2019 on one team.

But the Dubs are winning the next 3 titles barring any major injuries. I'm not going to say that I'll stop watching (I don't watch until the playoffs anyway) but it's going to be another predictable finals and that's a little disappointing.
 

Piston

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,182
This will just make it a bigger story when the Celtics win the championship next year.
 

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,261
There should now be a policy saying an all-star cannot sign for a mid-level exception. Unbelievable...

There's really no point now. The warriors are literally starting an all-star team...

The league is made up of the owners, and there is a less than zero chance that the owners are going to pass a rule saying "You have to take more of our money, you are not allowed to take less of our money"

These things are outliers. The odds that another championship team with 3 all stars is somehow going to find themselves with the cap space to sign a 4th all star (it's not like KD took significantly less money) is unlikely to ever happen. The Warriors formed their super team largely out of fortune and good front office moves (getting Steph on a cheap deal due to his ankles, and finding Dray in the 2nd round), not because KD was hell bent on forming a super team.
 

Dre3001

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,853
At least with this past season, you saw some cracks to the Warriors. Houston managed to take them to 7 games. In the East, Boston emerged as a threat and made people realize how deadly they could be if healthy. Philly has outstanding young talent and is just maybe one key piece away from becoming a contender.

Then with FA just starting Lebron signed with the Lakers and there have been steady talks of them acquiring Kawhi to build another super team. It felt like there were now signs of optimism or hope.

All of that is now gone. If Boogie can rehab himself back into 70% by June they will blow every team out by 20 points minimum in the playoffs.

Credit to the Warriors because the front office has built a monster but what the fuck is going on with the other players?

Where is the competitive balance?
 

cdyhybrid

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,422
Last February's Superbowl between Philly and New England was far more entertaining than any NBA playoff game in the past couple of decades. Both were at a high level the entire season.
Entertaining != quality.

The Super Bowl was bad. Non-existent defense.

And maybe address the soft contact whistles and the flopping epidemic before we go calling the NFL trash because of rules.
But soft whistles and flopping going unpunished *is* rules :thinking:

NFL needs to stop calling PI/holding on every pass and they need to stop digging the hole on the catch rule.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,297
I get being salty because as much as I defended KD for doing what he did, this is just insanity now, but how is this cheating the system???? Lmfao.

The entire purpose of the Salary cap system is to insure that no one team can have all the stars on it. Thats why max deals and the cap system exist in the first place. The best players make a shitload of money and that money goes against the cap making sure that no team can have nothing but stars. And if they go over the cap they are heavily penalized.



However the Warriors are undermining that system by taking star players and convincing them to play for pennies in exchange for a ring. It undermines the entire purpose of the salary cap system.
 

Polaroid_64

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,920
Yeah I'm only watching soccer next year.

Not hating on the Warriors. Good signing and their fans must be stoked, but it is boring to me.

To clarify, it is boring when you know the championship is already decided. Basketball is not boring at all.
 

TerminusFox

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,851
The Perfect storm needed to duplicate this warriors team is so unfathomable, it's probable that's it's never happening again.

Ten years from now you'll get your "parity".
 

LJ11

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,490
Been thinking about this a lot lately, but what is the point of the salary cap in the NBA? I hate the cap on player salary, they should be able to earn as much as a team is willing to offer. To me, and I'm probably wrong, it seems like it leads to iniefficiency. I just want open bidding, let teams spend, and let the chips fall where they may. Bad players capture surpluses, would rather reward great players and if some teams want to overspend go right ahead. Won't change things for the worse considering the current situation, but I may be wrong.

Man, how did OKC blow their opportunity. They had one hell of a squad and somehow lost most of their talent.
 

TheFatOne

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,926
lmao lowering the cap won't accomplish anything other than making the owners look greedy. The cap is going up and up. The Warriors were able to do this because the league affords teams at or over the cap a few exception contract slots to fill out their roster. Like with KD, this is an outlier scenario. A former all star in his prime who is severely injured essentially jumping on a contender to get a ring while he rehabs in order to test the market next offseason. There is nothing the league can or should do to avoid THAT very specific scenario.
This right here. It wasn't some master planned move from GS that was years in the making. It was just a perfect confluence of events that allowed for this to happen. It was smart of them to convince KD to take slightly less just in case an opportunity like this presents itself though, but that is pretty standard practice from good front offices. Especially ones with winning track records.
Lol - Cousins might not be the same player after the torn ACL, but this is still silly. Look forward to the box scores, probably won't be watching much.
Even worse than an acl it's an achilles tear. Guys generally aren't the same after an achilles.
 

ciro

Member
Oct 27, 2017
299
please let this finally be the thing to make people want to get rid of the cap. let the players be paid what they're worth
 

Tom Penny

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,336
I watched one game this past season. My team just signed the best player in the league, and right now I probably am not going to beat that record this coming season. If we can also sign the most intrinsically expensive and most talented team in history at the same time as Golden State then I might start watching. Or if multiple Warriors starters are literally taken out for the rest of the season by a crazy fan or during a game I might start watching.

Edit: Literally wishing for wrestling storylines in the hopes of making the league more watchable.
People who watch one game have a fucking NBA team LMAO
 

Intraxidance

Member
Oct 25, 2017
952
The entire purpose of teh Salary cap system is to insure that no one team can have all the stars on it. Thats why max deals and the cap system exist in the first place. The best players make a shitload of money and that money goes against the cap making sure that no team can have nothing but stars. And if they go over the cap they are heavily penalized.



However the Warriors are undermining that system by taking star players and convincing them to play for pennies in exchange for a ring. It undermines the entire purpose of the salary cap system.

Taking a pay cut for a ring didn't work out so well for Karl Malone. It's not a guarantee.

If the NBA just didn't have that ridiculous salary cap increase a couple summers ago this shit doesn't happen. A team like the Warriors shouldn't be in position to afford Kevin Durant without losing anything of importance.
 

Natiko

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,263
Lol yeah okay. And I thought last year was boring - who knew it could get so much worse.
 

Kite

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
670
Ya'll need to chill, DMC is signing such a shit contract for a reason and won't be the same player he once was.

Ric Bucher‏Verified account @RicBucher
Also hearing on Cousins: may not be back on the floor until February as he recovers from torn Achilles.

5:54 PM - 2 Jul 2018
 

Fjordson

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,017
im tired of Fjordson "oh gee im worried about the warriors :(" act. Nobody's buying this from a team that's bout to walk to the most noncompetitive three-peat in modern NBA history.
Haha, hey I'm not worried about the Dubs overall, this is a luxury signing for them and I totally get why other fans hate it. I just think some people are overstating what Boogie's impact will actually be next season. There's a real chance he could be done as an elite player.
 

NinjaScooter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
54,261
please let this finally be the thing to make people want to get rid of the cap. let the players be paid what they're worth

While I agree with you in general, this specific issue is unrelated to the cap. Boogie could have gotten more money elsewhere. He chose not to because he knows he's going to have to spend most of the season rehabbing, so why not do it with a good organization and get a ring in the process? This is not a specific scenario that calls for wholesale changes to the cap rules, unless you want to make it a rule that "Former all stars with career threatening injuries are not allowed to sign with defending champion teams in the season immediately following their injury". It's silly.
 

Deleted member 43077

User requested account closure
Banned
May 9, 2018
5,741
How the fuck is Cousins to the Warriors allowed? They are a basketball team trying to win a game not fucking beat Thanos.
 

ViewtifulJC

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,020
Haha, hey I'm not worried about the Dubs overall, this is a luxury signing for them and I totally get why other fans hate it. I just think some people are overstating what Boogie's impact will actually be next season. There's a real chance he could be done as an elite player.
still, 50% Boogie a substantial upgrade over Zaza