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US PoliERA 2018 |OT6| An Unmitigated Disaster
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"Dems gained 60 seats, but who can control such a large and varied caucus?! Disarray all day!"
1.) I need an "I called it.gif" that's depressed instead of excited.
2.) I wish they polled abolished, as that's the current de-facto term.
Reformed will poll best, but I still think it's too soft.
If people think the actual plan is to just get rid of it and not replace it with something, it will cause problems for Democrats.
After I typed that, it seems obvious to just go with 'replace'.
it's like he's keeping a diary
Don... that's not what they mean when they talk about a Presidential Triumph.
I had a thing typed up agreeing with you and all, but Axios just sucks and we don't need a single Democrat leader at this point in the game. 2020 is a different story, though.
I only got this because my neighbor owns a vintage Triumph.
Agreed all the way.
So corporate stock buybacks, which everyone with a brain predicted is what companies would do with their tax cuts instead of raising wages because DUH, are goosing the market, and investors are fearful because TRADE WARS ARE EASY TO WIN.
Republican economic policies ruining a good economy again, like clockwork.
Excuse me...
my guestimate
Stock buy backs will continue until end of oct.~
stocks lower a bit but not by much
November 30th
retail outlets report that sales are down 8-16 % from last year, across the board.
Investors get worried about the rest of the season, start selling there stocks.
Retail sales for holiday 2018 are down by 22% overall reports in jan
stocks plunge
This is pretty nuts. He has an article on his site, basically saying the proposal with Syria that was discussed immediately after Trump won, is now being considered with Russia in the meetings.
ICE shouldn't be abolished or dismantled.... right now. If the movement to shut down ICE were to somehow become successful, we're still stuck in the Trump administration. So, whatever it gets replaced with would be just as bad. No, what needs to happen with ICE is that Democrats need to take the same approach that Republicans took with the EPA and the CFPB. Pass legislation severely limiting their powers and abilities, like not being able to separate families or not being able to deny bail, or not being able to detain people who haven't committed crimes. Then slash the budget repeatedly. Hobble the agency to the point where it can barely function, then raise a stink about their inefficiencies and how useless the agency is. Once you're at that point, THEN you can shut down the agency.
Let me guess. The deep state got to the prosecutors and threatened their families.
Like I said before Trump openly colluding with Russia. If this meeting goes down it will be fucked, but nothing can be done until November.
so the biggest issue with ICE is the vagueness of there powers.
My father was a RTA ( regional Tranist authorit) police officer around the founding of the organization in North east ohio.
There powers were vaguely worded initially, that they had the same powers as state troopers, sheriffs, all local PD's, ATF, Homeland security, FBI, and other alphabet agencies.
a multi county police that had the same authority as anything and everything. it was later altered, that they were just beneath state troopers.
ICE has this vague wording + a more worrisome power built into the agency.
ICe was established after 9-11, and given Extra Judical powers, that no other organizations, besides maybe the CIA, and other spook territory organizations have.
100 miles.
100 miles of the border means, that ICE can ignore constitutional rights of any American that lives within 100 miles of the border.
That means ICE can ignore the constitutional rights of nearly 2/3's of all Americans
This is seemingly baked into the foundations of the organization.
What ice does is broad, from copy right enforcement to immigration and trafficking controls.
Everything ICE does, is already done by other organizations.
I vote to work towards abolishing ICE, within 3 years.
Transition its responsibilities back to the organizations that handled them initially.
Rework immigration law, and immigration courts so people dont have to wait 18 months to see a judge.
For hard-S socialism that's actually a good line.
Because you need to move it out of DHS. It wasn't a rogue agency as the INS.
"Abolish ICE" is a reorganization, not a disband. (for 99% of the people saying it)
I've gotten into a few discussions on Facebook and the go to point is "they should immigration legally. This is their fault for doing it wrong," as if how they should do it is clear or the system currently isn't designed to fail them.
I get incredibly mad when conservatives pretend like laws are morally acceptable because they're laws.
Agreed 100%. This is exactly what I was saying. Hobble the agency first, then get rid of them.
I just assume any American talking about wanting socialism is really just talking about social democracy tbh
Given that the discussion over getting rid of ICE only just started publicly, those numbers are shockingly high. Plus it is better to state a clear vision than compromise that vision before it needs to be.
"If even manly man Paul Ryan couldn't pass anything, how can weak old lady Nancy Pelosi do it???"
Pelosi day 1 2019:
Also the "oh Democrats need a leader for the 2018 midterms" take is so dumb. So dumb. Who was the one rallying figure who lead Republicans to victory in 2010? No one because that shit doesn't matter in midterm elections. You vote for the party and against the president. That's how it always works in wave elections.
We actually made it a point to put that book on our summer reading list this year.
Can't disagree with any of that. I'm talking about the semantic branding - most people want safe borders and rational immigration so they balk at the idea of "deleting " a pillar of that - but I suspect they'd be mollified by a reform rather than eliminating it entirely.
I don't get it :(
I sometimes feel like I'm the only guy on this board not doing comp sci lol
Cleveland RTA is great stuff. Always drive up from Youngstown to the Green Road station and ride that downtown to Cavs/Indians games.
And then every so often the rapids are down and you have to take the bus, and that's a whole other experience.
I assume it's a Dems in dis array joke. But I also don't know anything about comp sci
It's a programming command to create an array named "dis" with the contents being 'D', 'E', 'M', and 'S'
So corporate stock buybacks, which everyone with a brain predicted is what companies would do with their tax cuts instead of raising wages because DUH, are goosing the market, and investors are fearful because TRADE WARS ARE EASY TO WIN.
Republican economic policies ruining a good economy again, like clockwork.
Excuse me...
Are you trying to say our economic stabilty is balancing on an increasingly narrow segment of the populace which needs tax cuts to retain liquidity? What could possibly go wrong?
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