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ZattMurdock

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Rumors that the DOJ will appeal the AT&T and TW merger are getting louder. And the DOJ should and probably will appeal. Here's why rooting for ISPs to get even bigger is bullshit, Era.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Pretty interesting. When Charter bought TWC and turned my ISP into Spectrum, my bill dropped $15/month BUT I had to call and specifically ask for it.
 

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parents are damn close to cancelling Directv as it is, it has gotten progressively worse and worse since AT&T took it over. Wonder if another price hike will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
 

a916

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I'll be more shocked if DOJ can go through with the appeal and do something about this... everyone saw this coming.
 
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ZattMurdock

ZattMurdock

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yes, but sadly we are hurtling towards our megacorp future

Companies will get bigger, other companies will rise. It's the nature of the beast. Years ago who would say that Netflix would be one of the biggest providers of content out there? The problem is when you give ISPs too much power without regulation. AT&T and TW should never merge "as is", it was a disaster waiting to happen.
 

Maven

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Already cut internet/tv from them.

Wireless is next after the next iphone

Why?

Their product sucks
 
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The full quote that gives some context to the statement in the article:

As to its price-increase theory, the government itself conceded that the merger would cause prices to go down for millions of AT&T customers nationwide. The government's own "bargaining model" likewise showed a price decrease for all consumers, once the correct data were employed. And the government's own economic expert effectively repudiated its other two theories of likely harm. The government, in short, gave the Court no basis for finding that this merger is likely to reduce competition at all, much less substantially. Rather, the evidence overwhelmingly showed that this merger is likely to enhance competition substantially, because it will enable the merged company to reduce prices, offer innovative video products, and compete more effectively against the increasingly powerful, vertically integrated "FAANG" companies.

Seems like it's the DOJ/government who implied prices would go down, not AT&T itself.
 

Slayven

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parents are damn close to cancelling Directv as it is, it has gotten progressively worse and worse since AT&T took it over. Wonder if another price hike will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Just canceled Directv cause they decided half a year into a contract they didn't want to honor it. Sadly had to go to Comcast. Cause you know monoplies
 
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ZattMurdock

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Here's the link between this story and Disney - Fox merger and what is likely stopping Comcast on keeping the bidding war for the 21CF assets:



 

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Really should just be trust busting the cable companies, but even if the Democrats win the corporate ones would never allow for it.
 

Bakercat

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I switch the Cricket Wireless and I haven't been happier. Saving over $100 a month on bill and I get more data per month as well. Fuck AT&T those monopolizing cunts.

parents are damn close to cancelling Directv as it is, it has gotten progressively worse and worse since AT&T took it over. Wonder if another price hike will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

My mom did this and started using Netflix and Hulu. Turns out there is a 150GB cap on her internet from AT&T and it costs more in overcharges. She can't change the internet because AT&T DSL is the only option at her address, so if she wants tv she has to get DirectTV. This company is the official definition of a monopoly I swear.
 
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What?

"The evidence overwhelmingly showed that this merger is likely to enhance competition substantially, because it will enable the merged company to reduce prices, offer innovative video products, and compete more effectively against the increasingly powerful, vertically integrated 'FAANG' [Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google] companies," AT&T told US District Judge Richard Leon in the brief.

"There is no sound evidence from which the Court could fairly conclude that retail pay-TV prices are likely to increase," AT&T said in that same filing.

The ars report said it was AT&T post trial briefing from AT&T
 

robosllim

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Bu-bu-but muh free market!
Free market? Oh no no no, monopolies are merely a consequence of an over-regulated market. Why, if the government would just get its hands out of private business altogether, then you'd see true capitalism!

I've heard people say this, but it's hard to know how many of them actually believe it.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I switch the Cricket Wireless and I haven't been happier. Saving over $100 a month on bill and I get more data per month as well. Fuck AT&T those monopolizing cunts.



My mom did this and started using Netflix and Hulu. Turns out there is a 150GB cap on her internet from AT&T and it costs more in overcharges. She can't change the internet because AT&T DSL is the only option at her address, so if she wants tv she has to get DirectTV. This company is the official definition of a monopoly I swear.


AT&T owns Cricket.
 

Nassudan

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I've heard people say this, but it's hard to know how many of them actually believe it.

Oh they believe it alright, until their business starts failing because of... you guessed it! The free market.

You saw it a lot during the recession "Nuh uh Nobama, don't you touch muh free market!"
Business starts failing: "Bail my failing company out Mr. President! I'm a job creator!"

Case in point, the American auto industry, the banking industry, etc.
 

thefit

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They aren't going to appeal. The lawyers the current DOJ has are idoeological idiots they are blaming the loss on CNN, they had terrible arguments and they never even bothered to considers the ramifications of the net neutrality rules being done away with just so they wouldn't admit on record how shit that decision was.
 
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ZattMurdock

ZattMurdock

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They aren't going to appeal. The lawyers the current DOJ has are idoeological idiots they are blaming the loss on CNN, they had terrible arguments and they never even bothered to considers the ramifications of the net neutrality rules being done away with just so they wouldn't admit on record how shit that decision was.

Actually... I don't think common folk understand this. The Justice Department - very much like here in Brazil - has more time to appeal. They have until August to appeal and the rumors that they will in fact appeal are brewing since June 15th. Also, this:



This is happening. It won't stop AT&T and TW merger, but will definitely put some restrictions. This isn't over yet.
 

robosllim

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Oh they believe it alright, until their business starts failing because of... you guessed it! The free market.

You saw it a lot during the recession "Nuh uh Nobama, don't you touch muh free market!"
Business starts failing: "Bail my failing company out Mr. President! I'm a job creator!"

Case in point, the American auto industry, the banking industry, etc.
Those are the big corporatists. Everything they say is doublespeak and they don't personally believe any of it. When they say, "Keep your government hands out!" what they really mean is "Cut my taxes, remove the regulations that cut into my bottom line, but use tax revenue to give me subsidies and invest in the infrastructure I rely on, and create just enough regulations to keep the barrier to entry high." They know damn right they couldn't be as profitable as they are without government help. It's the rubes at the bottom who parrot the free market BS because it's what their business-friendly ("what's good for business is good for jobs!") politicians tell them is best and because it's a simple talking point.
 

Robdraggoo

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You don't understand. Ya see, if we continue to cut regulations big companies like this, won't feel the need to raise prices, all we have to do is give them complete free reign to do whatever they want.

We just need to cut s few more regs and it will all work out.

Just in case it's needed
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New Fang

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The U.S long stopped caring about monopolies. We're essentially at a point where it's a free for all on this front.
 

Stinkles

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Actually... I don't think common folk understand this. The Justice Department - very much like here in Brazil - has more time to appeal. They have until August to appeal and the rumors that they will in fact appeal are brewing since June 15th. Also, this:



This is happening. It won't stop AT&T and TW merger, but will definitely put some restrictions. This isn't over yet.


Crazy to think that this directly affects the possibility of a remotely watchable Fantastic Four movie.
 

zychi

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I switch the Cricket Wireless and I haven't been happier. Saving over $100 a month on bill and I get more data per month as well. Fuck AT&T those monopolizing cunts.



My mom did this and started using Netflix and Hulu. Turns out there is a 150GB cap on her internet from AT&T and it costs more in overcharges. She can't change the internet because AT&T DSL is the only option at her address, so if she wants tv she has to get DirectTV. This company is the official definition of a monopoly I swear.
Att owns cricket lol