I don't need to watch the video. It is a good game regardless if Galaxy 2 improved on it.
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“Is Mario Galaxy A Good Mario Game?” - Barry Kramer
- Thread starter MouldyK
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I'm surely an edge case, but my wife (who is disabled) was able to play SMG1 and 2 with me because their MP allowed her to just focus on collecting and holding as opposed to 3D platforming, which helped me just focus on playing the game instead of being distracted by the star bits. I wish more games had this type of excellent MP.
I didn't care for it. Too many moves mapped to waggle where a single button press is easier and more consistent. It was also condescending in its bombastic soundtrack for doing the most simple tasks. It was like 'you jumped on the boss with a giant red button. You get a parade!'
Also it felt like a letdown to realize the game was mostly linear. It never felt sandbox like. I have big problems with Odyssey and 3DW too. I think I just don't like Mario anymore.
Also it felt like a letdown to realize the game was mostly linear. It never felt sandbox like. I have big problems with Odyssey and 3DW too. I think I just don't like Mario anymore.
This is a thread about the video in question and it's really disingenuous to not even watch it before participating in the thread. It comes off as trolling, especially since the video made plenty of good points and never called Galaxy a bad game.
I love how everytime a Nintendo series gets a new game, the previous one is instantly worst. I have played every Mario platformer game since the original on NES, like most of us do, and i haven't feel anything close to what i feel with both Galaxy games (specially SMG2). Is good, is authentic, is amazing. Is probably the best platformer i've played (maybe DKC gets close) and the best Mario game ever
I could tell you but i don't want to ruin the surprise. You will have to watch the video and judge for yourself.
Actually if you've ever heard of the Zelda cycle, it's the opposite. Ignoring BOTW, it usually always was that the newest title was the worst Zelda game or (not zelda enough) while the game before it was better
Well, yeah, short of. But have read things here in ERA that blow my mind about 3D Mario Games...People saying that Sunshine is better than 64 or that 3D World is better than Galaxy...Or Oddysey being better than both Galaxy games.
Yeah...eh...I guess is a matter of opinion.
Came in expecting to argue that Galaxy is a good game, finished the video feeling he has a point.
The thing is, Mario Galaxy is not a good course game or a good sandbox game. That is because despite Nintendo's definition (for the strict purpose of hyping Odyssey), it is its own type of game which combines elements of the two. It is a "galaxy" game.
When playing Galaxy, I love that it is impossible to guess what is around the corner. That in itself invokes curiosity and a different type of exploration. This encourages you to visit every planet because each planet almost always contains a unique surprise. That in itself is the reward, and that is one of the reasons why Galaxy is so much fun to play.
The thing is, Mario Galaxy is not a good course game or a good sandbox game. That is because despite Nintendo's definition (for the strict purpose of hyping Odyssey), it is its own type of game which combines elements of the two. It is a "galaxy" game.
When playing Galaxy, I love that it is impossible to guess what is around the corner. That in itself invokes curiosity and a different type of exploration. This encourages you to visit every planet because each planet almost always contains a unique surprise. That in itself is the reward, and that is one of the reasons why Galaxy is so much fun to play.
In what universe is Galaxy not a good "Mario Game."
I'll tolerate people saying 3D World is not a proper 3D Mario game. They are wrong, but I will tolerate that opinion because 3D World and Land were a departure from what we have come to expect from 3D Mario up until that point.
But Galaxy not a Mario game. Give me a break.
I'll tolerate people saying 3D World is not a proper 3D Mario game. They are wrong, but I will tolerate that opinion because 3D World and Land were a departure from what we have come to expect from 3D Mario up until that point.
But Galaxy not a Mario game. Give me a break.
Galaxy is awesome. I'm in the (small, I think) camp that prefers Galaxy 1 over 2. That might be more becasue I'm a Yoshi hater more than that Galaxy 2 isn't also a terrfic game.
This thread makes me want to play Galaxy 1 again... we're only half way through the day and now suddenly I can't wait to get home... :D
This thread makes me want to play Galaxy 1 again... we're only half way through the day and now suddenly I can't wait to get home... :D
Better than the multiplayer of 3D World, which trivializes many of the good challenges of the game while adding stupid frustrations of getting in each other's way and accidentally picking each other up because they put that on the same button as sprint for some reason.
Playing through odyssey right now and it's absolutely amazing.
That being said I still consider Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 as being the pinnacles of the series (also one of my all times fav games). I just wish they would be remastered because playing a Wii on a 4k screen looks pretty bad.
That being said I still consider Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 as being the pinnacles of the series (also one of my all times fav games). I just wish they would be remastered because playing a Wii on a 4k screen looks pretty bad.
3D World, 3D Land, Odyssey, Galaxy 1 and 2 are all my favorite plattformers of all time
/shrug :(
/shrug :(
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. As time goes on, Galaxy will continually prove itself is the GOAT of the 7th generation to more people. Most stuff on PS360 will age due to being the first HD gen and increased focus on cinematics that will look outdated in time. Twilight Princess will age due to it's muddy brown art style and BotW, and Skyward Sword due to the over reliance on wii motion plus. Galaxy, with its distinct art style, beautiful music, and timeless gameplay, will stay exactly how it is.
Yup, in midair, shake and press Z at the same time
"Is Mario Galaxy A Good Mario Game?" - Barry Kramer
Yes. Yes it is. No need to waste 35 minutes on a video dissecting it.
Yes. Yes it is. No need to waste 35 minutes on a video dissecting it.
I think its main strength is that it appeased both 2D and 3D Mario fans at the same time. Galaxy 2, 3D World and Odyssey have more limited appeal. Some might argue that it lacked focus but I don't think there's any argument that it's not good or somehow "not a Mario game".
I never liked SMG; beautiful game, but the challenges where bad; there is no sense of place in the level, everything is random, and when you are revisiting the level for another shine, instead of being the same level or altering it in a small way, like Mario 64, Sunshine or Galaxy 2 and Odyssey; they opened another part of the level, that had random stuff and no coherence and you had to go there.
The criticism in the video is 100% on point.
SMG2 is the realization of the galaxy series, and the manta ray levels in SMG1 are inexcusable.
The criticism in the video is 100% on point.
SMG2 is the realization of the galaxy series, and the manta ray levels in SMG1 are inexcusable.
There's nothing objectively shit about it if you look at the consensus. It just wasn't your taste.
Lol yeah I can't fathom why people think 3d world sits at the same table as the other 3d marios. It's a fun multiplayer game but was ultimately a distraction until odyssey came out
Having played every Mario game since Donkey Kong 100%, multiple times, you're not going to convince me that Galaxy is anything less than one of the best Mario games and one of the best games ever made, period.
I don't care how soothing your voice is, how many words you can fit into one breath in one long rambling sentence, how many arbitrary pseudo-intellectual pretentious self defined goalpost points you set and meet, how many seemingly persuasive but foundationless rhetorical appeals you make, or how long your video is. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
Let me open the video real quick just to make sure I'm not insane.
"This game starts with the lie that the world will be open."
"Hu hu, that planet looks like Yoshi," in heavily sarcastic voice.
Oh, look, cartoons and funny voices too. Very persuasive.
The main argued point seems to be the commentator doesn't like Galaxy being midway between linear and open. It's too linear but not linear enough. It's too open, but not open enough. It also doesn't use powers enough (arguable, depending on the power). It also presents too many ideas without expanding them (flat out disagree, tbqh).
Some of these are worth expanding on. In those cases I think the argument is better done without the irritatingly snarky attitude. Some are purely and entirely subjective and not only that they are subjective in the face of overwhelmingly opposing opinion. In these cases I'm not sure what to tell you other than that most people disagree, including me.
I don't care how soothing your voice is, how many words you can fit into one breath in one long rambling sentence, how many arbitrary pseudo-intellectual pretentious self defined goalpost points you set and meet, how many seemingly persuasive but foundationless rhetorical appeals you make, or how long your video is. You're not going to convince me otherwise.
Let me open the video real quick just to make sure I'm not insane.
"This game starts with the lie that the world will be open."
"Hu hu, that planet looks like Yoshi," in heavily sarcastic voice.
Oh, look, cartoons and funny voices too. Very persuasive.
The main argued point seems to be the commentator doesn't like Galaxy being midway between linear and open. It's too linear but not linear enough. It's too open, but not open enough. It also doesn't use powers enough (arguable, depending on the power). It also presents too many ideas without expanding them (flat out disagree, tbqh).
Some of these are worth expanding on. In those cases I think the argument is better done without the irritatingly snarky attitude. Some are purely and entirely subjective and not only that they are subjective in the face of overwhelmingly opposing opinion. In these cases I'm not sure what to tell you other than that most people disagree, including me.
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It's a near pointless question too. What's a "Mario" game isn't set in stone--and even if it were, the answer doesn't preclude it from being a great game.
Some of his points make sense (like it being difficult to recall specific levels), but that hardly makes it a bad Mario game. The platforming is fun and every second is interesting, surprising, and inventive. I think the problem here is that he's trying to put too small a box on Mario games.
Nope it more like Mario Lost Levels, not that it's a bad game but there are much better 3d games before and after it.
The Lost Levels is a bad hack job by interns at Nintendo, while the real Nintendo geniuses where making Doki Doki Panic.
SMG is like the SMW of 2D games; not the best, not the worst; loved by many because it impressed them at launch and had some neat ideas, or it was their first Mario; better Mario games where released before (SMB3) and after (NSMBW and U).
Still, a much better game than Sunshine.
That's a pretty heartening anecdote. I'm happy that you two managed to get a lot out of it!
Every mainline console Mario game has been good for me. There is no bad Mario mainline game to me. The amount of imagination and wonder in each of them is always heads and bounds over all competition in gaming. I don't really give a shit what Mario other people think is better or worse because at the end of the day I can put in any one of them today and have a good time.
....also Galaxy is amazing
....also Galaxy is amazing
I really wish the Wii Remote waggle wasn't a thing. I had to give up midway through both Galaxy 1 & 2 because my arm got too sore. While I prefer Odyssey and 3D World/Land, I'll be first in line for a Switch re-release!
I think that was supposed to be a joke tbh. No way anyone actually thinks that 3D World is better than Galaxy.
Galaxy is a masterpiece for sure. Other than 64 or Galaxy 2 I can't see another 3D Mario better than it.
He seemed real hung up on the idea that the game has an identity crisis because its not really a sandbox Mario or a course clear Mario. I know Nintendo grouped 3D Marios that way recently, but that was mostly just so they could stress that Odyssey is an heir to the Mario 64/Sunshine line.
Galaxy doesn't have to fit or excel in either of those boxes of Mario-types to be good. Nor does it have to conform to the exact tenets of game design he wants (eg, introduce an idea/element and continuously, incrementally expand on it) to be good.
Galaxy is its own thing and that's just fine. Like I said before, the whole time I was watching the video it made me want to play SMG. Hard to imagine that there is a better bar for a game being good than wanting to play it because its fun.