I thought Countdown was meant to be his vision of that? Which... well.
‘I wish there was a plan’: The inside story of DC’s infamous New 52 reboot
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I thought Countdown was meant to be his vision of that? Which... well.
Yeah, that was Brian Azzarello's run. There was some good ideas, but it destroyed the Amazons as characters (though DC had been slowly doing that for years) and pretty much felt like a story that was never meant to be a Wonder Woman story being retooled lazily into one.
Hate the claws. Hate the helmet. Not big on the body suit.
Rocafort's designs were too godlike for common DC artists. 😔
I actually really like the rest of the elements of this design.
It was largely a mess cause it wasn't really a total reboot. They decided to keep so much old lore intact yet no one knew exactly was or wasn't canon anymore in the new continuity. Batman was a huge mess of random stuff that didn't change while some things did. You can't reboot a whole universe but then selectively and randomly decide to keep somethings of the past. They needed to do a complete day 1 reboot of everything.
Oh, shit, yeah you're totally right it's been a minute lol
They really were obsessed with thay weekly format for awhile there though weren't they?
There was Trinity too...
Countdown was just an editorial disaster, I only read it when it was coming out but I remember like 1/10ths of the stuff in Countdown/to final crisis actually had any relevance to final crisis at all. It existed purely because 52 did so well for them but that did well because they actually had their best people on it and planned the whole thing out.
Yeah it's super disjointing when you have someone like Superman who clearly had a bunch of changes and then you look at Batman and Green Lantern and they are exactly the same as they were with some shifting around of timeline stuff.
I've said my piece about The Marvel Family, so I won't mention it here (though those issues were occurring before the reboot).
As much as I liked Azzarello's run, there was no way the creator would have approved the retconned origins.
I felt bad for the books like Zatanna and Batgirl who had good things going for them before they got canned. Even Teen Titans, a book that has been crap for much of the past 5 years was turning a new leaf until nu52 ruined things, derailing a popular new character from this:
...to this:
Oh and don't forget the trunks debate the reboot spawned.
As much as I liked Azzarello's run, there was no way the creator would have approved the retconned origins.
I felt bad for the books like Zatanna and Batgirl who had good things going for them before they got canned. Even Teen Titans, a book that has been crap for much of the past 5 years was turning a new leaf until nu52 ruined things, derailing a popular new character from this:
...to this:
Oh and don't forget the trunks debate the reboot spawned.
New 52 was a disaster, but I get why they did it. Felt like they needed a shot in the arm but they should've planned it much better. Their timeline just condenses way, way too much. Bruce had like 4 robins in 5 years. Must've been going through them like Candy
For sure. This is as bad as or worse than Cap's "Hail Hydra" moment, in that it takes characters that were created with a specific, progressive ideology (for Cap anti-fascism, for the Amazons feminism), and just flushes that down the toilet, utterly betraying those characters and their creators for some cheap shock value. This one doubly hurt because it leaned so much into Limbaugh-ian, anti-feminist talking points: 'ya know those feminazis? they're secretly man-hating rape pirates!'
It also made Diana look fucking stupid, because they have her grow up in this society as, somehow, the ONLY ONE who doesn't know how it works, just so that she can be shocked and stunned along with the reader (and also to give her plausible deniability, I guess?) She's 'one of the good ones!' hur hur.