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12 Year Old Boy Arrested For Posting Racist Messages Sent To Crystal Palace Player Wilf Zaha Before Football Match C/W EXTREME racism
- Thread starter Raijinto
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Agree with this. Make him face the victim without hiding behind a screen.
Of course it is, although the Pewdiepipeline also makes things more extreme. Doesn't have to be Screamy Swede McNaziFace, there are others doing the same shit and message boards, I just use the term as a generic term for Internet targeting of youth by the extreme right.
But yeah, the parents should also be arrested, or at least investigated. Maybe send child protective services in to do some research on this matter.
True, but with a 12 year old, people are often more willing to do that than with adults. As a 12 year old you can affect and make it into a teachable moment. Adults.... yeah fuck em.
But yeah, of course the player must agree to it. It shouldn't be forced, that's what I meant by not making it a press event.. but in public none the less.
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Counselling only works if he's willing to change his hateful beliefs, though. He has to be willing to talk to people, like you say if people are willing to learn from forums or groups. Maybe the arrest has changed his mind, hopefully. As someone who works with talking therapy (IAPT) and counselors, I don't think I've heard of a client being taken in just for their racism but it might be possible if the kid has mental health issues or anger problems. He's likely to be referred to CONTEST by the police after the arrest to de-radicalise him. It's not just arrest and put him in jail.
Saying this boy needs mental health treatment based on just his racism is an insult to actual mental health patients.
Fuck all that.
Fuck all that.
Why are you being so aggressive?
First you tell people not to act like "ass", but then you answer like this?
I hope the players who were dealt with this racial terror are being offered counselling and support.
Exactly. Feel the same.
Because if anything, the constant stressors on black people and POC can get harsh enough where they truly need counseling or treatment.
Just a concern troll more interested in shifting a topic about racism to something he feels less attacked by.
There is no aggression in anything I've posted. Saying "no shit" to something that is as painfully obvious as " Counselling only works if he's willing to change his hateful beliefs, though." is a reasonable response. I'm not going to be patronized.
The person I called an ass was insinuating that i was virtue signalling by accusing me of purposely trying to take a moral high ground. That I will not engage with and is the most toxic way to have discussions online. It accuses me of arguing in bad faith and that I don't believe what I am saying and I am just taking said position to have a fight online. I truly believe a young child who is a bully, says hateful things or does violent things should receive counselling.
Some have taken this into a discussion of "racism has nothing to do with mental health" and that is not the discussion I'm having. I see a troubled toxic child who probably needs help. Maybe something is going on at home, maybe he is bullied at school or maybe none of that and he has no conscience and is lost forever but that is why you council a child, to discover those things.
User banned (1 week): Hostility, inflammatory community generalizations. Previous infractions for similar behaviour.
imagine spending the past month saying ACAB and then cheering on the arrest of a 12 year old and saying he should go to prison. This is a deeply sick forum.
Being arrested doesn't mean automatic jail time. I checked the whole thread and not a single person has suggested he should go to prison so this is a strawman argument. Not to mention the Era hivemind accusation.
Being arrested doesn't mean going to prison. Most of us mean it as a way to teach the 12 year old that words have consequences and that he can't go around threatening people. On top of that I do believe the parents should at the least get child protective services involved. Most people would be okay with a public apology to the player, if the player is willing. Not for a 12 year old to go to jail.
I remember these type of jokes being passed around when I was his age and younger. It's basically kids who know these things are hurtful and mean spirited. But they also don't grasp the concept that it isn't just in past history but it still affects people till this day. On top of that, they think since they are kids, they can get around saying stupid shit and face no responsibility because they aren't adults. This is a wake up call for the kid.
And no, not everything is learned from parents. Lots from school, because hell kids those days just think they can get away with being offensive. Racial stuff is easy to spew because it's all about me vs you.
But I do agree that the more people/kids become held accountable, via fine to parents or have to give direct apology, the less this may happen. End of day, they think they are anonymous, but if held accountable they would hesitate. At least the ones that aren't of pure hate
And no, not everything is learned from parents. Lots from school, because hell kids those days just think they can get away with being offensive. Racial stuff is easy to spew because it's all about me vs you.
But I do agree that the more people/kids become held accountable, via fine to parents or have to give direct apology, the less this may happen. End of day, they think they are anonymous, but if held accountable they would hesitate. At least the ones that aren't of pure hate
Found at least two posts advocating for time spent in Juvy or for the child to be charged as an adult. A solid rule of thumb is that you should probably know the name of the person who you want arrested and that we have five pages of discussion talking about how awful "this boy" is and how terrible "his parents" probably are shows me how punitive and vindictive this forum is when it thinks it finds a moral dilemma that it has the upper hand in. When Era agrees on something, it is never rehabilitative, it is always punitive and you see the end result here when users get banned for suggesting that maybe 12 year olds shouldn't get arrested while posters who advocate for children to be tried as adults or for children to be sent to prison camps remain unquestioned.
I'm not going to speak to the moderation as I haven't watched trends but there is no question that there is an aversion to rehabilitative measures by some. Even from a discoverability standpoint to in essence "get to the bottom" of where this child might be getting this hatred from. We can all infer any number of sources but it's always helpful to at least investigate the child's mind. I think some actually in this day and age see rehabilitation as a bad word that absolves the perpetrator, which is a shockingly old way of thinking. I could maybe understand where they are coming from if this was an adult and even more so if there was a history but this is a child. I think in general though the notion that to support understanding the child means you don't care about the victim is very silly. The victims of hate suffer extreme mental anguish and should also of course get whatever help they need.
So could a mod tell me why these posts by a black era member regarding the role of punitive justice in the case of a 12 years old racist child are considered "dismissing concerns and effects of racism"?
As a minority who has faced racism multiple times, I don't know if arresting a kid is the right approach. I'd prefer some heavy bootcamp that thoroughly educates this kid on the history of racism, racist actions, supremacy, etc, AND HAVE HIS PARENTS INCLUDED. This is clearly learned behavior. I don't know what jail time accomplishes.
I feel like people aren't really advocating for the kid to be jailed, just more of a scared straight type thing to hopefully get him on the right path (assuming his parent's weren't the main cause of his beliefs)
There should be some consequences for their actions, just not arrest or jail (It just said in custody, so who knows). At the very least, they're still young and can be deprogrammed from this line of thinking with the right help. Definitely wouldn't be surprised if his parents were racists, proud or lowkey. That seems to be where a lot of racism in kids starts and is sure infect their way of thinking.
