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samoyed

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Bregman is a straight shoot technocrat, being around the people and companies I'm around in my line of work I've known about him for a few years now. Nothing about him is all that notable other than unlike Yang he actually does have some moral conviction to help the working class. But he's still a technocrat which I don't really want any more of their ilk coming into positions of legitimate power.
That's unfortunate to hear. I'll bear that in mind in the future.

Are you familiar with/heard of Piketty? Same thoughts? I'm no fan of Piketty mind but your labeling of Bregman as a technocrat strikes me as similar to the socialist critique of Piketty.
 

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Credit where it's due. This should be the standard position for Democrats. Bibi is the easiest target to make that point, but most are too afraid to even call it out.
Yeah it should be the base standard. But focusing attacks on Bibi is also ignoring that previous PMs rose up the ranks through war crimes
 

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It is still so fucking depressing that the moment a sitting PM renounced violence to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict he was assassinated shortly after.
 

Steel

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An ok action would be to not say anything.That'd be better than defending McCain.
I mean, if it gets him votes and it doesn't actually hurt anything...

Saying something nice about McCain isn't taking a policy stance.

An indication that Democracy on the scale of nation states is failing to enfranchise all those who are effected by a states policies?

I mean, yes. Shall we begin a world conquest to solve the issue of nation-states existing?
 

Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's unfortunate to hear. I'll bear that in mind in the future.

Are you familiar with/heard of Piketty? Same thoughts? I'm no fan of Piketty mind but your labeling of Bregman as a technocrat strikes me as similar to the socialist critique of Piketty.
I haven't read Anti-Piketty but the critique sounds relatively similar from what I know about him. Bregman has some fairly reasonable ideas and starting positions and he does engage in discourse against the technocracy and their solutions, but at the same time he adopts a lot of later technocratic thought about things like UBI which I'm not fully sold on myself as an amelioration of the issues presented to the working class.

He's certainly not working actively against their interests. And his book does broach a few interesting ideas.
 

Ortix

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Oct 27, 2017
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An ok action would be to not say anything.That'd be better than defending McCain.

Defending McCain or attacking Trump? Nothing wrong with that tweet. He was a shitty politician, who cares if you call him a brave hero - which he might well have been in combat - while attacking Trump for his despicable behaviour?
 

Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Defending McCain or attacking Trump? Nothing wrong with that tweet. He was a shitty politician, who cares if you call him a brave hero - which he might well have been in combat - while attacking Trump for his despicable behaviour?
You can attack Trump without defending McCain... But saying that is pointless since they've become chummy with McCain.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
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I want to be Atilla.

The failure of capitalist democracy is that it:

1) Fails to enfranchise all its citizens and often abuses the greater part of them
2) When it isn't failing its own citizens it's exploiting developing countries and siphoning their resource wealth back to the nation-state, at which point we run into the problem of 1) again
3) Shit sucks man
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know, does it matter that marginalized people become bothered by the normalization and whitewashing of racist anti-civil rights blood-thirsty warhawks?

I don't think Bernie is doing any of that. I see it more as if Bernie is responding to Trump's specific criticisms, which are attacking McCain on his service record and his refusal to back Trump's repeal and replace agenda. I think it's fair to say that McCain deserves criticism, but the POTUS attacking the service of a man who went through what he went through shames us all. No place for that bullshit from the President, when he hid behind fake doctor's letters.

I get it, though. McCain had something money can't buy, and that drives Trump mad. Makes him feel like a small man in comparison. He fears his funeral will not be so grand.
 

Kayla

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Attacking Mccain is pointless. He's dead, and unless you're trump you only lose by doing that. Democrats are held to a different standard sadly.
 

Iloelemen

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I don't think Bernie is doing any of that. I see it more as if Bernie is responding to Trump's specific criticisms, which are attacking McCain on his service record and his refusal to back Trump's repeal and replace agenda. I think it's fair to say that McCain deserves criticism, but the POTUS attacking the service of a man who went through what he went through shames us all. No place for that bullshit from the President, when he hid behind fake doctor's letters.

I get it, though. McCain had something money can't buy, and that drives Trump mad. Makes him feel like a small man in comparison. He fears his funeral will not be so grand.
I just don't think McCain deserves any defending.
 
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Steel

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I'm down if you are. I get to LARP as Napoleon though.
Can I play the aliens from independence day?

"Largest Grassroot effort the country has ever seen"
It has been what? A week? There is simply no way anyone can substantiate that claim this early.
Saying things like that will only make you look arrogant and vain.
Saying stuff like that to hype up your campaign is common political speak. Like saying that you're kicking off a revolution. I think it's cringe but w/e.
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just don't think McCain deserves any defending.

I think his military record does. The president can't be saying these kinds of criticisms about vets and POW/MIA.

For example, say someone like Mitch McConnell doesn't need defending. However, if he was attacked by another Republican for being a race traitor for having a mixed-race family, I think it would be very appropriate to speak up against the criticism. You're not defending the man, you're defending something larger.

I'm far from a Bernie fanatic, but I think here, he's speaking to something larger than McCain. Just my two cents.
 

Iloelemen

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think his military record does. The president can't be saying these kinds of criticisms about vets and POW/MIA.

For example, say someone like Mitch McConnell doesn't need defending. However, if he was attacked by another Republican for being a race traitor for having a mixed-race family, I think it would be very appropriate to speak up against the criticism. You're not defending the man, you're defending something larger.

I'm far from a Bernie fanatic, but I think here, he's speaking to something larger than McCain. Just my two cents.

What's the "larger" thing being dedended, the American Military and foreign policy?

And about the military, the same rhetoric was used in order to defend moving the Dictator Marcos to the Heroes' Cemetery.
 

Schlep

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Vas

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What's the "larger" thing being dedended, the American Military and foreign policy?

What's being defended is the dignity of POW/MIA Americans. To say you disagree with McCain's views on foreign policy is fine. However, I think the President attacking the service record of a man who came back with less of himself than he left with is immoral. He willfully refused release from daily torture, starvation, and humiliation out of loyalty and respect to his comrades. The President can't be betraying our MIA/POWs like that. It's shameful. Kudos to Bernie for having the courage to stand up to his own mob.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hickenlooper being real normal for everyone, I see. Trying to bite into the Yang Gang with his MRA-esque talking points and mommy issues
 

Hirok2099

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Oct 27, 2017
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Can I play the aliens from independence day?


Saying stuff like that to hype up your campaign is common political speak. Like saying that you're kicking off a revolution. I think it's cringe but w/e.
Bernie's revolution was different because he was telling you what the plan is... Lets start a revolution the Grassroot Beto thing is at best assuming that the movement already is the biggest grassroots movement ever and at worst lying about the size of the movement.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Dec 26, 2018
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Bernie's revolution was different because he was telling you what the plan is... Lets start a revolution the Grassroot Beto thing is at best assuming that the movement already is the biggest grassroots movement ever and at worst lying about the size of the movement.

How do you record a number of a moment like that? And what counts for being a member?
 

spx54

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good thing about Beto is that he potentially draws a lot of "moderate" voters from Biden whose main concern is electability. Though if he really wanted to be selfless he could've run for TX senate again and built up the state party.
 

Hirok2099

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Oct 27, 2017
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How do you record a number of a moment like that? And what counts for being a member?
You can't that's the point. It bothers me how His campaign is boldly claiming that he has the biggest grassroots movement when he clearly cannot know. But worse still is that It cannot be true, he is already claiming that his movement is already bigger than Bernie's entire 2016 grassroots movement which is not possible.
So, best case scenario they're claiming victory too soon, worst-case scenario they're lying.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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Dec 26, 2018
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You can't that's the point. It bothers me how His campaign is boldly claiming that he has the biggest grassroots movement when he clearly cannot know. But worse still is that It cannot be true, he is already claiming that his movement is already bigger than Bernie's entire 2016 grassroots movement which is not possible.
So, best case scenario they're claiming victory too soon, worst-case scenario they're lying.

While I agree with your assessment, from what you've said it's impossible to prove they're lying because nobody has concrete numbers of past movements.
 

xfactor99

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Oct 28, 2017
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Its a shame that Trump is the only public figure willing to criticize McCain because there's a clear case to be made for McCain's warmongering record being extremely harmful and detrimental to America over the past 30 years, but no one else is making it. One of the few times I ever thought Trump was right was when he blasted George W. Bush over 9/11 and Iraq, so if he had criticized McCain over that as well he woulda had a point. But nah, he attacked McCain for all the wrong reasons instead (being a POW and voting to preserve Obamacare) so yeah piss off Donald.
 
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