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vixolus

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so they made a game that no current PC can run at decent frame rates with all the eye candy enabled?...this is a game built for the 5000 series?...so why release it in 2023 if no one can play it at acceptable levels of quality?
without FG the 4090 can run the game maxed out at 60+ FPS. How is that unacceptable? This is PATH TRACING.
 

CHC

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Why would you play it with DLSS off? The newest implementations of DLSS are as good or better than native in many cases, you're just being obstinate if you refuse to use it.
 

Nameless

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Path Tracing makes something like Portal one of the more graphically intensive games out there - this is a full-scale AAA game from a studio known for pushing visuals & productions values. I'm thankful DLSS and other reconstruction techniques are empowering devs to do things we otherwise wouldn't get to enjoy until many years down the road.
 

TripleBee

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The whole point of PC gaming is to become obsessed with performance to the point you have the framerate display in the corner of all games while playing. The more room for improvement the happier to community is.
 

Mifec

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4080 might end up being the worst purchase I've ever made

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A 4080 gets you over 100fps at 4k.
 

Heshinsi

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so they made a game that no current PC can run at decent frame rates with all the eye candy enabled?...this is a game built for the 5000 series?...so why release it in 2023 if no one can play it at acceptable levels of quality?

DLSS enabled and those cards are running the game perfectly fine maxed out. The information is right there in the image nvidia provided.
 

zombiejames

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Full path tracing at native 4k running at 30 fps?? If the devs weren't so lazy and just optimized the game they'd have photo realism running at 120 frames on my 2060

jk
Don't even get me started on all the PC enthusiast Youtube channels I've come across lately that pull the word "optimization" out of their ass without knowing a single thing about how game development works.
 

cyba89

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Steam Deck will melt trying to run this

This thread is such a bad-faith way of reading this graph. What's with ERA and its massive amount of clickbait / manufactured outrage threads lately
 

bsigg

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It's almost like full path tracing is incredibly expensive on hardware and running it at 4K just makes it worse.
 

Nikus

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People are really losing their marbles over this game and it's not even out
 

senj

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Path tracing is incredibly demanding, especially at 4K native. A game having headroom at max settings to grow with future hardware is good, actually.
 

Dest

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Yeah, without upscaling.

What's the story here, exactly? This doesn't look to be a case of poor optimization or anything. Upscaling is part of the suite of graphical features we have now that will continue to be used be it through hardware or in engine stuff. Ignoring it and pointing out performance without it is kind of a silly thing to do now. Console games do it, PC games do it. It's been a feature since the 20 series Nvidia cards on PC which released 5 years ago. Things change, five years in tech was a long time ago.
 

Theswweet

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Ray Reconstruction is undeniably going to be something you want to use with path tracing, and you can't even enable it without DLSS. Of course folks on 40xx GPUs are going to use DLSS.
 
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People still don't grasp how absurdly heavy native 4K is.
Nevermind adding Path Tracing on top of that.

I'm surprised the 4090 isn't catching on fire.
 

Mórríoghain

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Frame Generation is only effective at native 60 fps for me. Hopefully Native 4K + DLSSQ can give that otherwise the input lag FG introduces becomes unbearable.
 

senj

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so they made a game that no current PC can run at decent frame rates with all the eye candy enabled?...this is a game built for the 5000 series?...so why release it in 2023 if no one can play it at acceptable levels of quality?
If your definition of "acceptable levels of quality" is non-DLSS'd 4K native fully path traced graphics at 60fps, there is literally no game on earth that has ever had "acceptable levels of quality". Turn some settings down. It used to be universally understood that a game running at max settings should target tomorrow's high end cards, not today's.
 

Shalashaska

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's a 4k path traced game. No kidding it isn't running at a super high frame rate. Path traced Cyberpunk 2077 has similar performance on a 4090 with it's path traced mode without DLSS.
 

discotheque

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Playing Cyberpunk at native 4k with path tracing on is about as bad, but with DLSS and frame generation it's a silky smooth experience. It's arguably even superior to native 4k since that doesn't have the benefits of ray reconstruction
 

plagiarize

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A AAA game using full path tracing running at native 4K running at 30 fps in real time?

That's fucking impressive.
 

Azai

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cant believe people here trying to defend a 2000$ card having 30fps.
like sure, you can crank up graphics in any game to make the card drop to 30 fps... but whats the point of it?

pretty sure performance without RT wont be that much better. especially on 3000 series cards
 

KrAzY

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DLSS is supposed to help gpus hit high frames with ray tracing, its always been
 
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