77 million gen 9 consoles WW (Ps5 ~ 52m-54m and xbox series ~ 23m-25m) as of december 31, 2023 (source: Take 2 IR)

[Smitch]

PS5 had sold 50mn units as Of Dec. 9th 2023, November Was The Biggest Nov. In PS History Sales - Sony

https://www.ft.com/content/3b89e9f7-e3cf-4e60-bfa4-987af24efa75 Edit: https://sonyinteractive.com/en/press-releases/2023/playstation-5-50-million-sold/

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PS5 was at 50m sold through as of december 9th, which should place it at ~52m-54m as of december 31
So xbox should be at ~23m-25m sold through

 

[Thorrgal]

That makes sense.

I just saw someone on the other thread saying Xbox was at 30M and seemed to high for me as I remembered other estimations being in the low 20's a few months ago.

 

[jayu26]

2-3 million World Wide in roughly 20 days of December? Historical numbers agrees with this? Should it be less/more/same? Seems low to me, specially because what Sony's target is.

 

[cursed knowledge]

i wonder what the attach rate will be for GTA VI in PS5 and Series X/S

 

[Derbel McDillet]

I mean, I get it, given how they spent, but there are consoles that have sold much worse and don't get the "no one bought it" treatment than ...

Nevermind. Pick your battles.

 

[YaBish]

I wonder what Gen Take Two will lump Switch 2 in with

 

[LV-0504]

23-25m is roughly what the OG Xbox had sold after 3+ years right?

 

[Uncle at Nintendo]

I can't believe Series will finish behind Xbox One

 

[LV-0504]

I can't believe Series will finish behind Xbox One

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At this rate it won't even get close

 

[The Citizen Kane of Games]

Seems a lot less dire for

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Xbox

than previous reports. Still not amazing.

 

[Tomacco]

I thought the going consensus was 3-1 for PlayStation

 

[Thorrgal]

I mean, I get it, given how they spent, but there are consoles that have sold much worse and don't get the "no one bought it" treatment than ...

Nevermind. Pick your battles.

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I think it's more about the trend, sales peaked really fast and are slowing down at an alarming rate so early into the console cycle.

Also expectations, people thought this gen sales would be much higher than last, if not on par with Sony, and instead are worse than last gen, that was tainted by a disastrous presentation of the One.

Noone expected sales to go down instead of up this gen.

 

[AzorAhai]

Xbox sales are not great but it's not that bad in itself. What's worrying is the declining trend 360>One>XS, and the curve of XS looking terrible.

Combined total is decent, but honestly I expected more growth, especially coming from developing countries.

 

[Jammerz]

I thought the going consensus was 3-1 for PlayStation

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Not overall. It think that was for 2023 that amphere analysts were estimating.

 

[Bláthanna]

I thought the going consensus was 3-1 for PlayStation

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I believe recent sales have been 3-1 for PlayStation but the first year or two of sales were pretty close because of the stock issues.

 

[SpottieO]

Not bad for now but I can imagine that hardware gap is going to accelerate rapidly especially with a Pro console on the market for Sony

 

[Thorrgal]

I thought the going consensus was 3-1 for PlayStation

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That was last year iirc. Ratio was much closer the first 2 years.

 

[--R]

Xbox sales are not great but it's not that bad in itself. What's worrying is the declining trend 360>One>XS, and the curve of XS being looking terrible.

Combined total is decent, but honestly I expected more growth, especially coming from developing countries.

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I don't think it's "not that bad". If the console has already stopped growing YoY by the 3rd year, that's not a good symbol. And further declines are to be expected this year too, considering guidance on this first CY quarter is less than a million shipped consoles.

 

[Deleted member 12823]

I thought the going consensus was 3-1 for PlayStation

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That's where it's heading. Xbox had a good first 2 years but fell off. PS5 was supply constrained

 

[asd202]

Thanks T2 for the numbers.

 

[z1ggy]

If Xbox is 24~ mill wont gonna be 40 mill + - in 2026 when (maybe) the next gen xbox console gets release.

Amy Hood said like -40% for now HW so its gonna be like 35-36 mill in 2026.

This is really bad.

 

[Fat4all]

Xbox sales are not great but it's not that bad in itself. What's worrying is the declining trend 360>One>XS, and the curve of XS being looking terrible.

Combined total is decent, but honestly I expected more growth, especially coming from developing countries.

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its not great at all, that line is going down

and growth from developing countries? where is MS investing in growth in developing countries?

 

[WillySJ3]

It's safe to say that PS5 will cross the 100 million mark.

 

[TonyBaduy]

And this is why their GP business is off of Xbox, they can't continue to grow it there, not at the rate they want, with such low sales. PS5 is doing amazing, I wonder how far it'll go?

 

[Derbel McDillet]

I think it's more about the trend, sales peaked really fast and are slowing down at an alarming rate so early into the console cycle.

Also expectations, people thought this gen sales would be much higher than last, if not on par with Sony, and instead are worse than last gen, that was tainted by a disastrous presentation of the One.

Noone expected sales to go down instead of up.

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I don't feel like being salty Xbox defense force, but there's always that thing of, the way people describe vs the actual numbers. Like I was under the Xbox One sold like 30 or something the way people talked about it only to find out the number and the huge crime was just less than the 360.

And like people are saying here when you describe it as a 3-1 ratio and it turns out it's 2-1, previously claims just seem so needlessly exaggerated. It's obviously not great, especially given how much they've spent, but I'm not gonna go around saying no one owns this acting like they're gonna drop this product entirely next week.

It's like that thing where someone says something is bad, but it's not as bad as they're saying, but you don't want to defend it because they're wrong, but it's still misleading. So after while it's eh, what's the point?

 

[jroc74]

That makes sense.

I just saw someone on the other thread saying Xbox was at 30M and seemed to high for me as I remembered other estimations being in the low 20's a few months ago.

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Yeah, I didnt see that thread but I assumed it was closer to 30.

If Xbox is 24~ mill wont gonna be 40 mill + - in 2026 when (maybe) the next gen xbox console gets release.

Amy Hood said like -40% for now HW so its gonna be like 35-36 mill in 2026.

This is really bad.

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Right, ppl wanting a next gen in 2026...Series sales will drop even more if it comes in 2026. But it might not even matter....

Whew....

 

[AzorAhai]

I don't think it's "not that bad". If the console has already stopped growing YoY by the 3rd year, that's not a good symbol. And further declines are to be expected this year too, considering guidance on this first CY quarter is less than a million shipped consoles.

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I completely agree, the rest of my post emphasized the trend.

From 90M 360 to 60M One to probably 30-40M for the SXS, despite the hundreds of billions of investment over 20 years.

 

[Cantaim]

Xbox doing about as bad as I thought it was.

 

[Zebesian-X]

I mean, I get it, given how they spent, but there are consoles that have sold much worse and don't get the "no one bought it" treatment than ...

Nevermind. Pick your battles.

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The big alarm bell is their forecast for the next quarter/year. They're projecting major drops and it's unclear how they're meant to turn it around

 

[Fat4all]

And like people are saying here when you describe it as a 3-1 ratio and it turns out it's 2-1, previously claims just seem so needlessly exaggerated. It's obviously not great, especially given how much they've spent, but I'm not gonna go around saying no one owns this acting like they're gonna drop this product entirely next week.

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that 3-to-1 was describing last years sales, not total sales

ps5 is no longer in a hardware shortage situation

 

[Deleted member 12823]

I don't feel like being salty Xbox defense force, but there's always that thing of, the way people describe vs the actual numbers. Like I was under the Xbox One sold like 30 or something the way people talked about it only to find out the number and the huge crime was just less than the 360.

And like people are saying here when you describe it as a 3-1 ratio and it turns out it's 2-1, previously claims just seem so needlessly exaggerated. It's obviously not great, especially given how much they've spent, but I'm not gonna go around saying no one owns this acting like they're gonna drop this product entirely next week.

It's like that thing where someone says something is bad, but it's not as bad as they're saying, but you don't want to defend it because they're wrong, but it's still misleading. So after while it's eh, what's the point?

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Series is going to end up selling 30 something.
It's past year and now is abysmal. The first 2 years makes it seem not so bad.

 

[Welfare]

Xbox said they had +21M back in March. I have no idea what Take Two is using to get 77M

 

[jroc74]

I don't feel like being salty Xbox defense force, but there's always that thing of, the way people describe vs the actual numbers. Like I was under the Xbox One sold like 30 or something the way people talked about it only to find out the number and the huge crime was just less than the 360.

And like people are saying here when you describe it as a 3-1 ratio and it turns out it's 2-1, previously claims just seem so needlessly exaggerated. It's obviously not great, especially given how much they've spent, but I'm not gonna go around saying no one owns this acting like they're gonna drop this product entirely next week.

It's like that thing where someone says something is bad, but it's not as bad as they're saying, but you don't want to defend it because they're wrong, but it's still misleading. So after while it's eh, what's the point?

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But the thing is....if its was at 3-1 and now isnt....and its looking like it will go back to 3-1 in the future....

does it really matter?

 

[AzorAhai]

its not great at all, that line is going down

and growth from developing countries? where is MS investing in growth in developing countries?

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PlayStation is definitely investing more to strengthen its penetration in Africa and Asia, Microsoft isn't doing much.

But I just thought the global growth of gaming would have led to bigger console bases, when in fact it seems gaming mostly grows through mobile (and PC) nowadays.

 

[EagleClaw]

That is why GTA6 will release in 2026 on consoles.

 

[Haubergeon]

its not great at all, that line is going down

and growth from developing countries? where is MS investing in growth in developing countries?

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Their entire strategy is specifically *awful* for markets outside of NA. Getting rid of physical only further entrenches that, not to mention.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

I would expect this isn't accurate to be honest. I'm in UK and even here it doesn't feel like 2-1. Feels like 3 or maybe 4-1.

 

[Fat4all]

I would expect this isn't accurate to be honest. I'm in UK and even here it doesn't feel like 2-1. Feels like 3 or maybe 4-1.

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well UK is different, xbox is barely a thing there

all xbox has really is NA and Mexico i think, maybe some south american countries before the price increases?

 

[NippleViking]

Xbox sales are not great but it's not that bad in itself. What's worrying is the declining trend 360>One>XS, and the curve of XS looking terrible.

Combined total is decent, but honestly I expected more growth, especially coming from developing countries.

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You and I both. Gaming as a hobby feels bigger and more ever-present than ever, but I feel like Gen 9 sales aren't really reflecting as much?

I remember when it felt like every household had at least a Wii and then either a PS3 or 360, though now it feels pretty rare as to whether a household even has one platform.

Is the console industry growing and I'm just out-of-touch? Or have PC, mobile, and Switch largely eaten the traditional console-makers lunch somewhat?

 

[Cantaim]

Xbox said they had +21M back in March. I have no idea what Take Two is using to get 77M

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It's combined with PlayStation 5 sales which are at least 50 million. Give or take to either to figure out where the remaining 6 million came from.


Also, it will always amuse me that after reading people in the industry as devs or analyst complain for years that nobody in the industry uses the generation labels gamers do. One Microsoft FTC case later that used the terminology has suddenly made pop up in a lot more reports like this.

 

[Incubuster]

It's hard to fathom how Xbox is doing worse than the Xbox One right now. But when you look at their software offerings it seems like the only franchise they regularly lean on is Forza.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

well UK is different, xbox is barely a thing there

all xbox has really is NA and Mexico i think, maybe some south american countries before the price increases?

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Ah right, I always associated here with success for Xbox.

 

[Fat4all]

Ah right, I always associated here with success for Xbox.

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xbox was in a better position in the UK with the One iirc

but the Series just has NOT stuck in the UK it seems, the percentages have been getting worse

 

[TechnicPuppet]

xbox was in a better position in the UK with the One iirc

but the Series just has NOT stuck in the UK it seems, the percentages have been getting worse

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No games, they really messed up. Now it's too late.

 

[Skytylz]

It's hard to fathom how Xbox is doing worse than the Xbox One right now. But when you look at their software offerings it seems like the only franchise they regularly lean on is Forza.

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Current gen being a continuation of last gen more or less with all the games coming out on both gens and your purchases carrying over makes it less likely for people to switch platforms.

They picked the wrong generation to lay an egg in with Xbox One. If 360/PS3 gen was the start of the endless generation, we'd be in a very different environment, but they had enough of a break for people to switch.

 

[Red Kong XIX]

Should be above 100m when GTA6 launches

 

[Renna Hazel]

I don't feel like being salty Xbox defense force, but there's always that thing of, the way people describe vs the actual numbers. Like I was under the Xbox One sold like 30 or something the way people talked about it only to find out the number and the huge crime was just less than the 360.

And like people are saying here when you describe it as a 3-1 ratio and it turns out it's 2-1, previously claims just seem so needlessly exaggerated. It's obviously not great, especially given how much they've spent, but I'm not gonna go around saying no one owns this acting like they're gonna drop this product entirely next week.

It's like that thing where someone says something is bad, but it's not as bad as they're saying, but you don't want to defend it because they're wrong, but it's still misleading. So after while it's eh, what's the point?

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People are describing two different things. In sales threads, when PS5 wins 3-1 for that time period, it doesn't mean the total install base. Throughout most of 2023, PS5 was outselling it 3-1, and that's what people were referring too. in 2021 they were a lot closer, and that's what people said.

This is different from total install base.

 

[Tom Nook Says...]

You and I both. Gaming as a hobby feels bigger and more ever-present than ever, but I feel like Gen 9 sales aren't really reflecting as much?

I remember when it felt like every household had at least a Wii and then either a PS3 or 360, though now it feels pretty rare as to whether a household even has one platform.

Is the console industry growing and I'm just out-of-touch? Or have PC, mobile, and Switch largely eaten the traditional console-makers lunch somewhat?

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The PS3 and 360 both topped out around 85-87 million, it's hard to imagine the PS5 not passing that around the end of next year.

It does feel like the uptake on the new systems has been a bit less enthusiastic this gen though, and I think that has to do with the introduction of pro consoles making this gen feel more like a half-step, as well as there still being only a small handful of games that would make casual observers say "Oh yeah there's no way that could be done on a PS4 Pro." I mean, I was just in Wal-Mart the other day and they still have a whole section dedicated to PS4 games. That just wasn't a thing 39 months into new gens previously. Like, you weren't going to find new N64 games in any store anywhere in early 2005, for comparison. The transition has definitely been a bit slower this time.

 

[KezayJS1]

Switch

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I wonder if they even would lump it with a specific gen. Trying to find the initial statement, but during the Wii/360/PS3 gen there was one third party that acknowledged the Wii's success but didn't consider it part of that generation - instead focusing on it being its own thing in its own space or something to that degree.

 

[PianoBlack]

Xbox said they had +21M back in March. I have no idea what Take Two is using to get 77M

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Can you clarify that? So the 77M estimate is too high?