A coffee shop celebrated gentrification, got caught, is now copping pleas
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The ideal solution would be a billionaire to step up and become a philanthropist, pumping his wealth into these at risk communities.
One issue though is that there needs to be real, or lasting, capital , such as restaurants and other shops.
I wish I lived in your fantasy land world.
Until then, we live with the fact that most (white) billionaires don't give a shit about the hood or anywhere else where minorities congregate. Out of sight, out of mind to them.
One of the big problems with gentrification is it pits the middle class against the lower class. The middle class can no longer afford to buy in large areas of cities. Therefore, if you don't want to move well outside the city, the middle class is pushed into "up and coming" areas aka gentrification. The lower class is pushed further and further outside the city.
Well yes, its always rich privileged folks who are culture vultures
Rent control only works if it's uniform. Otherwise you are telling certain parts of the city their home is important while others' home is not.
This sounds backwards. Gentrification itself is caused by income inequality. When land around a desirable place comes under competition, then those with more money will push others out because they can afford the bidding war. The reason you get $7 lattes is because the rent is so high you can't afford to run a blue-collar establishment.
how is what you posted not an example of income equality expanding? You literally said that blue-collar establishments can't afford to live there anymore. Yes, income inequality is the genesis of gentrification, but it's true that gentrification expands the inequality as well.
Once the property values rise after these billionaire philanthropists pump wealth into the community, rents rise, taxes rise, demand rises, causinag feedback loop of spiraling costs, and people with more means crowd out those with less who were there originally, and people with even greater means arrive to push out the recent arrivals.
This is the market in action.
It's a complicated phenomenon that seems pretty clearly rooted in systemic racism. You can't blame the people who buy up the property, but a coffee shop outright boasting "You can thank us for getting rid of the blacks" is overtly shitty.
But racism is just racism. We're just identifying how its expressed among different communities
Gentrification is essentially diet colonialism.
It's a great way for young millenials to experience a true American past time older than the US itself lol.
It's a great way for young millenials to experience a true American past time older than the US itself lol.
I considered posting something like this a few times, actually.
The trail of tears and native americans in Oklahoma, for example, is a great example of classic american gentrification.
Those buying property in low income or working class neighborhoods aren't individuals. They're corporations or businesses. You can't compare the resources of the average working person to that of a business and say that gentrification is a result of income inequality.
There's nothing inherently racist about gentrification. I can't afford a house in the neighborhood I grew up in, never mind my hometown writ large. The artists who herald the classic view of gentrification are moving to those neighborhoods because they can't afford the rent elsewhere. Given that there are large swaths of the country that remain poor and segregated and that gentrification is actually a relatively rare phenomenon, it's clearly not the driving force either (whereas you have a much better argument that income inequality in general has long-standing roots in racist policy.)
Harlem would agree about what? It's gentrifying like the rest of New York. If rent controls actually worked to stop gentrification, why is it happening everywhere in NY despite NYC having one of the strictest rent controls/stabilizations and largest public housing schemes?
I wonder if they had a liability clause with the ad firm. We are seeing more and more people want to be able to claim damages from "bad" campaigns.
NYC has put in fairly new regulations regarding all of this. NYC shuttling off their newly made homeless people to other states non-withstanding.
The cycle of gentrification has completely messed up Los Angeles for decades now. You have an influx of homeless people and the rest that are chronically homeless moving from one section to another. Venice is now the great homeless congregation center when just 10 years ago it was NELA that was full of our most disadvantaged. Its pretty bad in DTLA still too.
Gentrification happens mostly in these kinds of neighborhoods though.
It's more related to the cost-of-living/buying inequality than income inequality. One aspect of gentrification is that people make more money, but not quite enough to afford the area and so they hop to the next less gentrified area and push up prices with their increased buying power versus those who were established there. So the people might still work there earning higher base pay but they are left with longer commutes or crappier housing.
I keep seeing people saying this, and it blows my mind that they can make such a claim. Yes, gentrification is primarily a class issue. However, it's absolutely true that the lower classes of people, the primary groups living in these low income areas, are minorities. This makes gentrification intrinsically a racial issue. That there are also a few really poor white people being affected does not make it not intrinsically a racial issue.
Further, people pointing out the racial undertones are also voicing support for these low class white people you guys are so keen to point out.
Let's examine a real world example of gentrification happening in Austin, Texas right now. The dividing line of Austin historically has been I-35. This is because, in 1919, a city declaration was put out making it illegal for hispanics, blacks, and asians to buy property in west austin. As a result, for generations, east austin has been the lower class neighborhood (and predominantly minority). Within the last 10 years, however, these areas are being pushed out by overnight condos with rent so high that people cannot afford to live there. As a result, areas outside of austin, like bastrop, roundrock, and kyle, are experiencing influxes of lower income minorities.
This is all verifiable and absolutely true. The issue of gentrification is intrinsically linked to race.
This sounds like an extremely pedantic semantics argument. Cost-of-living/buying inequality is the same thing as income inequality as far as I'm concerned.
It's similar though I feel it changes the mobility aspects because you can hop to somewhere with lower buying power. People in Denver are being pushed out by people from California, I imagine many of those forced out will go on to claim some other urban center lower down the ladder. And some goods don't change price whether the minimum wage is $8 or $15.
Rent control doesn't work. You just move from one privilege group to another, while leaving a huge amount of wealth generation/economic activity on the table. Then there's the slum issue it causes.
The only way out is more development to lessen supply shortages and wage growth. Any plan that doesn't target that is going to just make things worse.
Man, talk about a tone deaf advertisement. And I'm not surprised that Denver's Harlem is gentrifying, since the same thing happened to Shaw, and is happening to Harlem itself and, across the ocean, to both Brixton in London and Sophiatown in Joburg.
That said, to those who don't understand the concept, gentrification, while going hand-in-hand with racial issues, is not itself inherently racial nature. Plenty of white working-class neighbourhoods have been gentrified (in fact, they're usually the harbinger of what's to come to other dilapidated neighbourhoods), such as Locust Point, Corktown, Southie, Lower Manhattan, South Philly, Pioneer Square, etc. That said, IIRC, displacement isn't usually as bad in ethnic white neighbourhoods as in minority neighbourhoods that gentrify, which is why it's often brought up less (though, as seen with the "Go Back to California" signs in Portland, plenty of whites still greatly dislike gentrification when it happens in their neighbourhoods due to the same fears of rising prices causing them to have to leave).
Cortado is a type of Spanish coffee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
That said, to those who don't understand the concept, gentrification, while going hand-in-hand with racial issues, is not itself inherently racial nature. Plenty of white working-class neighbourhoods have been gentrified (in fact, they're usually the harbinger of what's to come to other dilapidated neighbourhoods), such as Locust Point, Corktown, Southie, Lower Manhattan, South Philly, Pioneer Square, etc. That said, IIRC, displacement isn't usually as bad in ethnic white neighbourhoods as in minority neighbourhoods that gentrify, which is why it's often brought up less (though, as seen with the "Go Back to California" signs in Portland, plenty of whites still greatly dislike gentrification when it happens in their neighbourhoods due to the same fears of rising prices causing them to have to leave).
Cortado is a type of Spanish coffee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortado
Indeed, it's the nature of things.
The government can do a few things like insert some Section 8 housing but that's not very desirable.
No that's not the fucking ideal solution! The state should step up and do its job! Relying on a rich man come along one day and save you is exactly what's wrong with free market capitalism.
And why the hell would you think that? Just having more resources alone doesn't equal happiness or satisfaction.
If they need to play a part in displacing poor folk from their homes in order to feel happier and more satisfied... well all I can say is fuck their happiness.
not all gentrifcation is linked to race,:
here in Montreal, it's white lower income neighborhoods that are getting gentrified by upper-middle class.
here in Montreal, it's white lower income neighborhoods that are getting gentrified by upper-middle class.
While this is true, the US's history of segregation means inevitably a lot of gentrified areas are populated mainly with minorities. The racial element is undeniable.
This is the wrong way to go about it. People don't move into a new community with the idea to displace others.
If that's what happens, then it just wasn't meant to be for those people.
Why don't we go full ancap while we're at it! Fits with your avatar colors
Economically mixed neighborhood urban planning, by design. Enforced that the city or county level.
You are bringing a US socio economic issue into a concept that normally doesn't involve minorities oppression.
Gentrification happens in other countries where there's no racial element. Hence, it is not inherent within gentrification. I think that's whats the other poster is getting at.
Obviously, this is coming from a US perspective, considering the city this took place in. Trying to take an academic definition of gentrification ignores the real and obvious context that it exists in. This is very much a racial issue, considering it involves gentrification in the US. To claim otherwise is to sound ignorant of the topic at hand.
I drove through this neighborhood one time, pointed out to my friends this was gentrification before someone shut me down saying I didn't know what gentrification means.
Meh, I've lived in a community that didn't even get gentrified, the shops and stores closed down without replacements. Gentrification would have at least meant a new beginning. I believe in a failing community, individuals or huge entities deserve the chance to try their hand for success.
These aren't failing areas. They just weren't rich. The Heights in Houston, for example -- people are being pushed out who have lived there for 60 years successfully.
Denver is my hometown and it's been really sad to see the culture I grew up with forced out by high priced loft apartments. Watch the vice weediquette doc called "Dank New World" to really see what has happened to the area.
We could also stop applying the casino capitalism model to primary housing and enforce some strong, deflationary regulations to give lower class people (and increasingly middle class with the huge unaffordability bubble building since the recession) a chance at having a stable place to live. It would decrease a lot of rich people's on-paper assets though, so we'll never do it, even though it would potentially sharply decrease inequality.
As someone who lives in an area currently going through gentrification this kind of shit pisses me off to no end.