"hey, why don't we do *insert cool thing* on the next raw"?
"why bother, vince will just tear up the script when he gets here, and even if he doesn't he won't remember it next week"
"oh yeah"
*cries at 2am*
A New Wrestling War Begins: AEW Dynamite BEATS WWE Raw in the Ratings for the First Time in the in the 18-49 Demo (one of the most important metrics)
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"hey, why don't we do *insert cool thing* on the next raw"?
"why bother, vince will just tear up the script when he gets here, and even if he doesn't he won't remember it next week"
"oh yeah"
*cries at 2am*
Unsure of they have enough time to do it....
2 weeks tho, same week as AEW Grand Slam? All bets are off lol
Ah, just did some quick Googling and wasn't aware Fox wanted 3 million. Damn.
In any case, this has to be good for the industry as a whole. Don't really care about the war side of things. I just want good wrestling from everywhere.
Watching this on TNT's site doesn't contribute to the ratings, does it?
In any case, well-deserved. AEW has been very good since it's inception, and it's only getting better.
In any case, well-deserved. AEW has been very good since it's inception, and it's only getting better.
Imagine being the fucking idiot who came up with this?Well goddamn deserved.
You'd be wrong. Yes, the increase in ratings is due to those guys and a gal, but AEW has been performing strong within the 18-49 demo since the beginning. AEW also has the most and best up and coming talent in the entire industry that comprises the vast majority of their roster.
Calling AEW vs WWE a war is like calling AWA vs WWF a war in 1984. One side has more money, a much younger owner, and more importantly an owner not stuck in the past.
Vince is obsessed with bringing back the glory days of the mid 80's when it was his idea of wrestling, but King Kong Bundy failed in 1995, and the Dungeon of Doom failed at the same time, people didnt want 80's wrestling in 1995 let alone wanting to watch 80's wrestling in 2020. The Ultimate Warrior flopped in both WWE and WCW because people wanted to see better workers. Sure people make fun of Lex Luger and Hulk Hogan's wrestling ability, but they could work a 15-20 match and have it be pretty good, while the Ultimate Warrior could only squash people.
You cant sell people on a big muscle man fighting a broken down giant with a bad back like you could in 1987.
The Adam Cole thing is just completely damning, where Vince wanted to take NXT's biggest star and make him a manager because his completely obsessed with height despite the ratings proving that most people dont care.
Vince is obsessed with bringing back the glory days of the mid 80's when it was his idea of wrestling, but King Kong Bundy failed in 1995, and the Dungeon of Doom failed at the same time, people didnt want 80's wrestling in 1995 let alone wanting to watch 80's wrestling in 2020. The Ultimate Warrior flopped in both WWE and WCW because people wanted to see better workers. Sure people make fun of Lex Luger and Hulk Hogan's wrestling ability, but they could work a 15-20 match and have it be pretty good, while the Ultimate Warrior could only squash people.
You cant sell people on a big muscle man fighting a broken down giant with a bad back like you could in 1987.
The Adam Cole thing is just completely damning, where Vince wanted to take NXT's biggest star and make him a manager because his completely obsessed with height despite the ratings proving that most people dont care.
Now just nail the video game, and AEW will be GOAT
Owens is very likely going to AEW early next year, and I assume Sami Zayn too, before him.
Owens is very likely going to AEW early next year, and I assume Sami Zayn too, before him.
I'm sure, since my only real exposure to it is threads in this forum. Volume of people moving between them just seems striking is all.
A few caveats.
-Raw still has the total viewership over AEW Dynamite.
-Smackdown is now the main show which has had pretty strong ratings lately. They've pretty much gutted the roster for Smackdown.
-AEW came off a PPV with a lot of buzz.
-Neither programs are "head to head".
I don't think Vince is really sweating AEW's ratings - they have months to see if they can sustain the ratings and viewership. If AEW can string together 1.4 million and key demos to say March, that's something that will definitely turn heads. Regardless, WWE turned record profits and probably will come close to it for 2021.
As for AEW - they definitely have a lot of viewership caused by buzz. It again remains to be seen if they can keep + expand their viewership. They're definitely due for major TV money when their contract is up (2023?). I'm not personally impressed by the product (just my personal taste) but competition is awesome.
I would expect a Vince response further down the road than many assume (maybe RR-Mania season). Again while Raw was his baby - Smackdown is the show.
-Raw still has the total viewership over AEW Dynamite.
-Smackdown is now the main show which has had pretty strong ratings lately. They've pretty much gutted the roster for Smackdown.
-AEW came off a PPV with a lot of buzz.
-Neither programs are "head to head".
I don't think Vince is really sweating AEW's ratings - they have months to see if they can sustain the ratings and viewership. If AEW can string together 1.4 million and key demos to say March, that's something that will definitely turn heads. Regardless, WWE turned record profits and probably will come close to it for 2021.
As for AEW - they definitely have a lot of viewership caused by buzz. It again remains to be seen if they can keep + expand their viewership. They're definitely due for major TV money when their contract is up (2023?). I'm not personally impressed by the product (just my personal taste) but competition is awesome.
I would expect a Vince response further down the road than many assume (maybe RR-Mania season). Again while Raw was his baby - Smackdown is the show.
This is a big success but it'll drop. I could see them pulling these numbers more regularly in a few months though if their past growth is anything to go by.
As is, they're a long way from matching Raw's actual viewer numbers too. But they'll probably get there.
Im actually more surprised by how good the numbers have been for Rampage given its garbage timeslot.
As is, they're a long way from matching Raw's actual viewer numbers too. But they'll probably get there.
Im actually more surprised by how good the numbers have been for Rampage given its garbage timeslot.
I've never really got the "WWE talent in AEW" thing. WWE has spent the past few years buying up most of the industry. When most wrestlers have been or are at WWE then yeah, you're gonna get a lot of ex-WWE talent in other promotions. And AEW books them way better so who cares other than WWE fans?
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This always gets me thinking of how AEW treats its legends. They don't show up to pop a rating. They're key figures in matches, storylines, and actively add to their legacy.
Not only did they get Sting, they got him out of retirement and treat him like he's a goddamn legend. A 60 yr old man is one of the most intimidating dudes on the roster! And he's been in Darby's corner the whole time and we all know Sting will put Darby over eventually. Just magical.
I don't even know what legends WWE could pull from aside from the standard attitude Era fare. Stone Cold comes out, give him a hell yeah, stunner rising star wrestler, leave. Who benefits in that scenario? Get a legend that will stick around and do something, ANYTHING, that actively affects the status quo and everyone benefits for it.
That's just ONE reason why AEW is getting everything they deserve. Incredible booking, sensible narratives, awesome wrestling. Absolutely gobsmacked that they pulled off such a rating. Well done.
They were the only prominent wrestling promotion in the USA for nearly 2 decades. Almost all veteran wrestlers will have spent some time in WWE.
Yeah that makes sense. Just seems like it's been a particularly rapid exodus over the last 6 months or so just based on headlines.
EDIT: Though the natural other half of that is WWE seeming to fire swaths of people en masse every couple months as well.
Holy shit, you're still around trolling.
Remember that time you were crying about "just wanting to talk about wrestling" lol
They are moving to TBS, which will increase the ratings even more.
Is there a legal way to watch Dynamite without a cable package?
Is there a legal way to watch Dynamite without a cable package?
Well goddamn deserved.
Can't have two Coles? This company deserves to tank in ratings. What a fucking dumb place.
That's how I see it. Raw has been getting record lows for the past few years. They're bleeding viewers. I think both will plateau at some point. Look at it this way, Raw in early '96, which is at one time a low point for both WCW (until Nash and Hall show up and they change their show, they still had major non-WWF stars) and WWF (before Austin, prior to Pillman) was getting 2.5 ratings.
Rumours are that they are/were planning on getting him for survivor series and also talk of the next Wrestlemania but the issue is working around his filming schedule so right now Im not sure if there are any concrete plans yet for him.
Depending on where you are you can get a aew+ subscription on fite.tv that gives you streams of previous shows as well
Holy shit!
As someone who left the wrestling scene right around the time TNA's disastrous Monday night switch happened, I never thought I'd read this headline. With Punk and a bunch of other names going over, I might have to catch a show one of these nights - see how the product is; been way too long.
As someone who left the wrestling scene right around the time TNA's disastrous Monday night switch happened, I never thought I'd read this headline. With Punk and a bunch of other names going over, I might have to catch a show one of these nights - see how the product is; been way too long.
And using a VPN and the mobile FITE app opens the doors up in even more regions.
If you have a VPN you can get the aew pass thing on fite TV in the UK for I think ÂŁ5 a month and it has all the old episodes on there too, no ad breaks
Seems like WWE's strategy in the beginning of AEW was to just swallow up as much indie talent as they could and sign exclusivity deals with promotions in other countries. Now they are just cost cutting like crazy.
Same. The first episode of AEW I ever watched was the Rampage Punk debuted on. I've watched every single Dynamite and Rampage since. I even paid for and watched All Out. Doesn't hurt being a huge Bryan Danielson fan myself. Punk and Bryan are probably my two favorite wrestlers and are almost single-handily the reason I ever watched wrestling again after being a young kid during the Attitude era. All I know is that I have been loving AEW and I don't plan to stop watching anytime soon.
I go this route, it's a very nice option. Even does away with the stupid Picture in Picture commercial breaks.
short of using a VPN, the Sling TV streaming package that includes TBS and TNT is like $30 a month I think.
Are you me?! What a time to get back into professional wrestling!
Yeah I remember there were some really fun moments on the fite app during what would be ad breaks for america back in the early days. They didn't cut the mics sometimes or the wrestlers would do stuff for the crowd while on ads. It's pretty cool and a very good deal considering you have so many back episodes too for that price.
Also cheaper pay per views than America I think?
People are lucky to have a name consisting of more than one word in that shit company.
Haha yeah for sure! I get the feeling there's a decent amount of us lapsed fans out there in our late 20's / early 30's coming back to watch our favorites from our teens in Punk and Bryan.
That poster is on many people in the AEW threads ignore list for consistent trolling and had faith posts.
Wow, it's almost as if putting on a better product attracts quality talent and more viewers. WHO KNEW?!?
I doubt it. Typically football reduces Raws ratings by around 5%-9% (with some outliers) and the ratings boost from touring/Cena/Goldberg have been holding up pretty well.
Dynamite would need to grow even more and hope for Raw to go back to pre touring ratings again to have a chance. Also Raw this week had over 90% more viewers in the non 18-49 demos and those are much harder to lose for them it seems.
I would love it to happen but the best we can hope for is beating them in the 18-49 demo on and off.
