the one inhouse ubisoft game this gen that wasnt a jank fest
the diff between this and origins is massive
the diff between this and origins is massive
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AC: Origins plays the way people accuse Witcher 3 of playing
- Thread starter Yasuke
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Not even:
Origins plays a ton better than TW3 by a large margin. The way you mix heavy attacks, light attacks, dodges, special moves and status effects, ranged attacks on top of the AC traversal, all of it feels really good. The game throws you right into the deep end and feels really weird at first, but once you get the hang of it everything clicks.
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AC Origins feels fantastic to play. Idk what everyone is on about. But then again, I'm the same guy who thinks TW3 has great combat so what do I know...
You may like it or not but janky it is not. Janky means something else entirely. The Witcher's combat is quite different from that of Origins, so this is an odd comparison.
The eagle mechanic makes shit too easy, opt not to use it if you're looking for any amount of challenge out of stealth. Also, I don't think the basic stealth gameplay is good at all, really, mostly because it's made entirely too easy for you. If you use that eagle, you know where everyone is, and if i'm recalling correctly, even through walls. I don't know of a good stealth game that has actually had that mechanic in any form.
AC1/2/B stealth was a bit harder, you had to play more carefully. Those games (minus AC1 with closets) had haystacks to hide in, crowds to blend into, you could buy courtesans as a moving form of crowd blending, you could take to the rooftops and plan from up there, and sometimes you could even go by water (obviously again, not in AC1). Stealth is hard, it's just a fact. See also why most of the best stealth games have quicksave built in so you can reload if you make a mistake or the game screws up somehow.
The predator bows are flat out stupid, can't you upgrade them so you can guide arrows because you're somehow egyptian jean grey? That's not good, that's making stuff easier on you. The things you're describing are quality of life things for the AI. Not the stealth. The stealth benefits from better AI, but that doesn't make the stealth good.
Unity is janky as hell.
The problem is the enemies, even in higher difficulties they go down too easy and are easily exploited. I'm currently playing the Pharaoh DLC and I think the combat "shines" (even if with it's shortcomings) there against those "shadowly enemies".
They need to put more enemy type, and revamp their AI. I would say they should go all in with the mythical stuff, like Pharaoh DLC, it gives devs more options to create different encounters.
It felt better to me than Witcher tbh, but what drives me nuts is when shit just doesn't work like it should because of the awful levelling system. Like I really, really don't care that he's a higher level than me, shooting a dude square in the face with a predator arrow should be a kill. Come the fuck on.
Using bows is fine, rest is jank :D i just wish the game wouldn't require confirmed kills.
Some great sniper moments are sort of ruined as i have to sneak through the base anyways and go talk to the corpse.
Some great sniper moments are sort of ruined as i have to sneak through the base anyways and go talk to the corpse.
Guys, this is what jank is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX2OpELfxPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX2OpELfxPw
Jank isn't Witcher 3 or Origins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX2OpELfxPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX2OpELfxPw
Jank isn't Witcher 3 or Origins.
Yeah, I don't see the point of people saying it's way better than previous instalments at all. It's a fucking awful unfun system, and it looks somehow even worse in Odyssey.
My problem with the Witcher combat isnt jankyness (or at least, not the biggest problem).
The combat feels VERY repetitive, as in, there is a lot of enemy variaty in theory, but the way you fight every one of those enemies are the same, and the game doesnt force you or even push you to change your combat style.
Havent played origins, but everyone says its a big improvement over the other AC games in combat.
The combat feels VERY repetitive, as in, there is a lot of enemy variaty in theory, but the way you fight every one of those enemies are the same, and the game doesnt force you or even push you to change your combat style.
Havent played origins, but everyone says its a big improvement over the other AC games in combat.
For an open world game, it controls way better than most.
Take a look at Witcher 3, Red Dead, and other heavy hitters, they control like shit compared to Origins.
When I think jank, I think Alpha Protocal, Two Worlds 2. AC Origins is NOT jank.
Take a look at Witcher 3, Red Dead, and other heavy hitters, they control like shit compared to Origins.
When I think jank, I think Alpha Protocal, Two Worlds 2. AC Origins is NOT jank.
Yeah, so this guy here doesn't know how to play The Witcher 3. You simply chose to ignore all of your other abilities which, for whatever reason, you didn't do with AC:O. What you should have been doing in Witcher 3 was prep with some potions (fast stamina regen, super speed, enhanced sign effects, etc.), open with a bomb to stun/freeze/burn everyone, jump in and slash a couple of times, cast Igni or Aard to put them all on fire or off balance again, slash a couple more times, and then maybe use another sign or bomb and finish off the rest. The Witcher 3 has great combat that flows very well as long as you use your tools to keep the enemies off balance (ie. can't block or interrupt you) and stunned. Of course, this changes a bit based on what your enemy is. You can't easily use this same approach on wraiths due to their teleportation nor on large enemies like golems who can't be easily stunned nor on nekkers who swarm such that you can't disable all of them simultaneously, etc. Yes, you can just swing and dodge, but that would be like playing AC:O the same way: possible to do but highly annoying and slow.
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If it doesn't look cool to you then you're doing it wrong.
That actually looks really bad to me, especially the clipping.
I was going to pick it up at gamestop used today but it was still 500 NOK (€50).. Might try it at a digital super sale.
I walked out with three used PS3 games though, Dantes Inferno, Ninja Gaiden Z and FFXIII + the mario tennis switch game I actually went down for :)
It's not great but it's way better than Witcher 3. I wanna finish the Witcher but the combat is too much.
Old AC combat is one if not the worst melee combat in games. The argument "at least it looks cool" is jarring. AC:O has hitbox based combat, no invincibility frames (like souls), shields/parry function and range and close combat is equally viable. Weapons are diverse and require different approaches. Archery is very good.
Only bad thing about ACOs combat is the lock on function being simply not elaborated enough.
Only bad thing about ACOs combat is the lock on function being simply not elaborated enough.
In what way is MGSV not a good stealth game?
More enemy types and better AI was a focus of Odyssey. As they said, Origin was the first step of a two part transition instead of full blown RPG. Odyssey even has a SoM enemy system where the phylake equivalents are procedurally generated.
I'm fucking with you. I haven't played MGSV, nor do I ever plan to, because Kojima is wack. I doubt that the eagle and the binoculars work the exact same way, though.
Ron Howard: "It is not."
not saying i like it, but some of you have no idea how deep the bad combat hole goes. AC is serviceable. as in, it services the 10 million people who buy it
My issues with AC: Origins were a bit different than Witcher 3. AC: Origins feels good to play, but there's not a lot of depth to the combat. It's a huge game, but what you're doing doesn't change that much so by hour 20 I was already growing bored of the gameplay loop, but there was much more game to go. There wasn't new things to uncover, or try to get better at it, what I was doing at hour 15 was going to be the same as what I was doing at hour 35. That tends to be my issue with open world games in general, as much as I love them. The gameplay doesn't have enough depth to support how much time they want me to spend in the world.
I love The Witcher 3 and AC Origins both, but I feel like you may be misunderstanding the complaints about The Witcher's combat if you think Origins falls into the same trap. People dislike the floaty feel of The Witcher 3, the way that animations don't always neatly correspond to player input. Origins doesn't have that problem at all. I feel like Origins lacks combat depth relative to The Witcher 3, but it definitely doesn't fall into the same problems with feel, at least not to the same degree.
But guys, this game looks worse than either of those games, therefore those games aren't janky.
Yeah it's not like the eagle at all. Might as well post a picture of Drake aiming at stuff in Uncharted 4.
The eagle in Origins is honestly one of the most clear examples of the incestuous relationships between several of Ubisoft's franchises. It's clearly the drone mechanic lifted verbatim from Ghost Recon. A drone in ancient Egypt. Like why.
The weapon toss move is so stilted lol
If it doesn't look cool to you then you're doing it wrong.
The Origins team went way the hell backwards with the multi-kill animations
Both work the same way. You spot enemies and since they're marked you can see their movements even through walls. Spotting and tracking is pretty standard for stealth in this day and age.