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davepoobond

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i just got an email yesterday about some new features Udio added, sounded pretty cool. I have yet to go back to it and really dig deep into messing around with it. I suppose i'm just not inclined to create something musically unless i need it for a project?
 
NetMapel

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Mengy said:
I do think something's changed with Udio. Two weeks ago I was making songs relatively quickly, good songs with it. Tried to make a new southern rock style song two days ago and I just couldn't get the AI to go the way I wanted it to. Before it seemed easy with a few iterations, but now it kinda feels like the AI is stuck and won't budge or something.

I feel it desperately needs more manual control over the generation, we need to be able to guide it with some measure of success.
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Depending on the amount of customization being asked, that feels more and more like getting back into existing specialist softwares. Then the cycle continues where people ask for simplicity again. It's the kind of cycle one can observe with typical softwares already where a nascent software starts out being simple and very good at doing the limited amount of things it's made to do. Then it gets more and more bloated due to feature creeps. I guess this pattern still exists even with AI involved.
 
Mengy

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davepoobond said:
i just got an email yesterday about some new features Udio added, sounded pretty cool. I have yet to go back to it and really dig deep into messing around with it. I suppose i'm just not inclined to create something musically unless i need it for a project?
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I got the email too, the new "inpainting" features are only for people paying monthly, my free account doesn't have any of the updates.

I might actually sub for one month ($10/mo) just to play around with it.
 

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Is there a post on the OpenAI stream that just happened? Seems like a big deal.

It feels like it's time to get on and start making the most of the tools or get left behind. Less of a desire but more of a preservation move?
 
GazRB

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Is there a post on the OpenAI stream that just happened? Seems like a big deal.

It feels like it's time to get on and start making the most of the tools or get left behind. Less of a desire but more of a preservation move?
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I feel like with GPT 4o we're finally getting some real Jarvis action with the improved Voice and the desktop app. I've been playing with the voice/conversational GPT4 for a bit and it seems like they are fixing all the issues I had with it.
 
Lazlow

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SasaBassa said:
Is there a post on the OpenAI stream that just happened? Seems like a big deal.

It feels like it's time to get on and start making the most of the tools or get left behind. Less of a desire but more of a preservation move?
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Yeah, you won't get that any time soon around here 🤣 That would require a nuanced conversation that internet discorse just ain't cut out for.
 
BakedTanooki

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Thought this was pretty nice.

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What would good AI art look like?

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"Talking about Al art in relation to the early reception of photography, and how art advances by exploring the possibilities of its mediums. Hope you find it interesting even if you disagree! (Sorry about the clickbait thumbnail)"
 
LumberPanda

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reksveks said:

View: https://twitter.com/mckaywrigley/status/1790088880919818332

One of the demos today.

Me posting the tweet ain't me approving of the tone or the tweet
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It's super cool tech, and on one hand it's amazing to think about how when used properly this could (it won't) lead to more equitable schooling. But I gotta rant about the tweet now that it's on my mind (I'm aware you aren't approving it).

Giving this to every student in the world would be an actual disaster lol. Why do AI bros, like the one in this tweet, always have to be so weird?

This lesson in particular is fine, but once it comes to the problem set it's all over. The thing about a human teacher/tutor is when a student asks "can you walk me through the process on how to answer a question like this again?" they can say "I can see that you haven't even tried yet, lol". And it's that time spent struggling, where you make mistakes on your own and have to correct them with barely enough calculated guidance, that learning actually occurs. But why would a kid purposefully go through that struggle if they can just have the AI walk them through it and be over with it?

Speaking from experience as a professional googler, I mean, programmer, this tech is always great until it turns out now you rely on it because you didn't actually learn the underlying ideas you just outsourced it to something that can constantly walk you through it.

Realistically this being available to every student in the world means governments slashing funding for schools because "on paper" this will technically be "better" and cheaper, and then we all wonder what happened when nobody developed their brain and the ability to think is vendor-locked into some AI enshittified by a megacorp.
 
Angelus Errare

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Yea I don't think this is going to replace the need for teachers and honestly I don't even think children should be able to use it at all until they're out of school or at the very least until HS. This is the first version of the so called "omnimodal" model, they'll only get better with time and I feel like we need some safe guards in place because there's definitely going to come a point where some state announces some crazy teacher replacement-esque idea. Not to mention the absolute fuckton of online schools that are going to latch on to this promising parents the greatest education for their kids at "truly affordable prices."


View: https://x.com/hey_madni/status/1790102270195179758

They demo'ed handling customer service with 4o, and I thought it was neat. I like how she whispers to the user asking did he get the email then the other one responsed with "I hope so!" or whatever.
 
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m_shortpants

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It will be a great tutor for sure. You will still need dedicated instruction though. Definitely a lot of potential. I know as a student there were times where I just felt totally lost, something like this would help bridge the gaps so well!
 
CloverNotes

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reksveks said:

View: https://twitter.com/mckaywrigley/status/1790088880919818332

One of the demos today.

Me posting the tweet ain't me approving of the tone or the tweet
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I could see this being used in math accessibility tools. Such as Microsoft's math assistant. The assistant can already generate new practice problems based on the problems you give it to solve. Now it could also walk you through the steps of the problem in an even more immersive way. However, I also wonder if this would actually be useful when a student could just have their parent, teacher, or the already preexisting assistant give them the steps and the answer quicker.
 
Jordan117

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m_shortpants said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfAYBdaGVxs&ab_channel=OpenAI

OpenAI giggling when talking

humanity is doomed
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Some of the livestream demos were a little clunky (I suspect because the mic was picking up audience noise and stopping for more input), but this one is astonishing. Folks have been throwing around the comparison, but this really does seem indistinguishable from Her in terms of the perceptiveness and authenticity of the voice.
 
refusi0n1

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10 mins in and I want to jump out the window how cringe this presentation is. They should have gpt create one instead
 
gig

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OAI making this free actually eases some of my biggest concerns for AI and inequality.

This will allow kids regardless of societal status to have a tutor for anything, anywhere, that can adapt to their communication style and culture. That's a big fucking deal and will help fill gaps left by bad teachers or underfunded districts.

Not to mention the accessibility use cases.
 
Praedyth

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LumberPanda said:
It's super cool tech, and on one hand it's amazing to think about how when used properly this could (it won't) lead to more equitable schooling. But I gotta rant about the tweet now that it's on my mind (I'm aware you aren't approving it).

Giving this to every student in the world would be an actual disaster lol. Why do AI bros, like the one in this tweet, always have to be so weird?

This lesson in particular is fine, but once it comes to the problem set it's all over. The thing about a human teacher/tutor is when a student asks "can you walk me through the process on how to answer a question like this again?" they can say "I can see that you haven't even tried yet, lol". And it's that time spent struggling, where you make mistakes on your own and have to correct them with barely enough calculated guidance, that learning actually occurs. But why would a kid purposefully go through that struggle if they can just have the AI walk them through it and be over with it?

Speaking from experience as a professional googler, I mean, programmer, this tech is always great until it turns out now you rely on it because you didn't actually learn the underlying ideas you just outsourced it to something that can constantly walk you through it.

Realistically this being available to every student in the world means governments slashing funding for schools because "on paper" this will technically be "better" and cheaper, and then we all wonder what happened when nobody developed their brain and the ability to think is vendor-locked into some AI enshittified by a megacorp.
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The problem the AI explained is really formulaic. There's no reasoning to be done there. But it's neat that it managed to understand what was on the screen.
 
effingvic

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Where is the download for the desktop app? Cant seem to find it on their site.

reksveks said:

View: https://twitter.com/mckaywrigley/status/1790088880919818332

One of the demos today.

Me posting the tweet ain't me approving of the tone or the tweet
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Cool to see Sal Khan in this demo. This is a similar approach Khan Academy took with their GenAI stuff on their site: a tutor that works with you without giving away the answer.

m_shortpants said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfAYBdaGVxs&ab_channel=OpenAI

OpenAI giggling when talking

humanity is doomed
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Were so cooked. This has really improved a lot in such a short time.
 
m_shortpants

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Didn't realize GPT 4o was already available!

Tried it out and the voice chat is pretty impressive. Did a couple photo questions and it worked well.

Will be interesting to see how they compare to Gemini 1.5. I was experimenting with Gemini 1.5 Pro video input which works quite well with the 1M token context window.
 
badboy78660

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m_shortpants said:
Didn't realize GPT 4o was already available!

Tried it out and the voice chat is pretty impressive. Did a couple photo questions and it worked well.

Will be interesting to see how they compare to Gemini 1.5. I was experimenting with Gemini 1.5 Pro video input which works quite well with the 1M token context window.
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Is it like the demos that were shown off today :)?
 
BloodHound

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LumberPanda said:
It's super cool tech, and on one hand it's amazing to think about how when used properly this could (it won't) lead to more equitable schooling. But I gotta rant about the tweet now that it's on my mind (I'm aware you aren't approving it).

Giving this to every student in the world would be an actual disaster lol. Why do AI bros, like the one in this tweet, always have to be so weird?

This lesson in particular is fine, but once it comes to the problem set it's all over. The thing about a human teacher/tutor is when a student asks "can you walk me through the process on how to answer a question like this again?" they can say "I can see that you haven't even tried yet, lol". And it's that time spent struggling, where you make mistakes on your own and have to correct them with barely enough calculated guidance, that learning actually occurs. But why would a kid purposefully go through that struggle if they can just have the AI walk them through it and be over with it?

Speaking from experience as a professional googler, I mean, programmer, this tech is always great until it turns out now you rely on it because you didn't actually learn the underlying ideas you just outsourced it to something that can constantly walk you through it.

Realistically this being available to every student in the world means governments slashing funding for schools because "on paper" this will technically be "better" and cheaper, and then we all wonder what happened when nobody developed their brain and the ability to think is vendor-locked into some AI enshittified by a megacorp.
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The era nuclear option haha.

In reality, it'll just be a tool leveraged by educators to either augment or supplememt teaching in this specific use case.
 
WardFail

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ChatGPT 4o is like if ChatGPT got caught up with the wrong crowd and now has a hardcore Amphetamine addiction. It feels a little too eager to trauma dump on you with very little provocation. That said I basically doubled the progress on an app I'm making over the course of a few hours compared to the few days it took me to get to this point. It's incredibly jarring coming directly from using 4 for the past 12 months.
 
weekev

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Angelus Errare said:
Yea I don't think this is going to replace the need for teachers and honestly I don't even think children should be able to use it at all until they're out of school or at the very least until HS. This is the first version of the so called "omnimodal" model, they'll only get better with time and I feel like we need some safe guards in place because there's definitely going to come a point where some state announces some crazy teacher replacement-esque idea. Not to mention the absolute fuckton of online schools that are going to latch on to this promising parents the greatest education for their kids at "truly affordable prices."


View: https://x.com/hey_madni/status/1790102270195179758

They demo'ed handling customer service with 4o, and I thought it was neat. I like how she whispers to the user asking did he get the email then the other one responsed with "I hope so!" or whatever.
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This is actually insane. I wonder how long it will be before people can access the foundational model for a BYOD solution so that it can be customised for Enterprise.
 
Marmoka

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It's working really fast isn't it? GPT 4 is pretty slow compared to 3.5 but this is amazing!

I wonder how much this costs. We are developing a chatbot with Azure AI Services to our client and they want both speed and quality, we had to go backwards to 3.5 because 4 was very slow for them, and I wonder if deploying this new model will be enough for them, despite the cost.
 
weekev

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Marmoka said:
It's working really fast isn't it? GPT 4 is pretty slow compared to 3.5 but this is amazing!

I wonder how much this costs. We are developing a chatbot with Azure AI Services to our client and they want both speed and quality, we had to go backwards to 3.5 because 4 was very slow for them, and I wonder if deploying this new model will be enough for them, despite the cost.
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Press release says it is faster for half the cost of GPT4-Turbo which was already faster and cheaper than the vanilla 4.
 
Marmoka

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weekev said:
Press release says it is faster for half the cost of GPT4-Turbo which was already faster and cheaper than the vanilla 4.
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Great to know this! Thanks a lot! Hopefully we can deploy this and they stop complaining about the response quality once and for all, so we relax and work in other things, haha. The output quality with GPT-4 was already great but so slow they wouldn't stop crying also for this, so maybe our headaches will be gone soon.
 
HarryHengst

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That were some impressive demo's, holy shit.

The ''personality'' they gave the AI did give me that nails over chalkboard feeling though. Something is just off about it.
 
twofold

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Unless I'm missing something, the desktop app doesn't seem to be available yet.
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It's being rolled out gradually. I downloaded the .dmg earlier and tried to log in but was shown this error message -

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Galkinator

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Dam that gpt-4o is mighty impressive.
Wonder if there's any improvements in terms of coding capabilities
 
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ChatGPT 4o is like if ChatGPT got caught up with the wrong crowd and now has a hardcore Amphetamine addiction. It feels a little too eager to trauma dump on you with very little provocation. That said I basically doubled the progress on an app I'm making over the course of a few hours compared to the few days it took me to get to this point. It's incredibly jarring coming directly from using 4 for the past 12 months.
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Why is 4o better for helping with an app than 4 is? The demos I've seen so far are mostly focused on conversational ability
 
WardFail

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Why is 4o better for helping with an app than 4 is? The demos I've seen so far are mostly focused on conversational ability
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4o is wickedly fast. It can basically rewrite entire sections of an app in a second or two compared to the slow metered output of the vanilla 4 model. I think it falls somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0 in terms of precision and accuracy but as long as you give it a kick when it tries to do something weird it gets back on track very quickly.
 
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4o is wickedly fast. It can basically rewrite entire sections of an app in a second or two compared to the slow metered output of the vanilla 4 model. I think it falls somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0 in terms of precision and accuracy but as long as you give it a kick when it tries to do something weird it gets back on track very quickly.
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Oooh nice. I switched back to 3.5 because 4 was really slow by comparison.
 
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