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American woman sparks furious backlash for ‘tone-deaf’ viral thread about moving to Bali
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A lot of people's version of equality is POC exploiting the world the same way white people do.
This is actually embarassing statement,wow I really dont know how they fucked up this so badly. The statement made it seem like the main issue this person deported is because misinformatiom about bali is friendly to LGBTA+ and almost nothing about tax fraud.. this actually enrage me, who wrote this.
Thanks now we're the international media laughing stock I guess.
So if the borders are closed why does it matter that she "invited visitors". You can't invite visitors If visitors aren't allowed. You see the problem?
I hate that people do this. I can't imagine moving to a different country and basically hiding off in a bubble of ppl who are basically from your own country. I wouldn't move anywhere where I wouldn't wanna live with the locals.
Like sure if you can afford a nice place get it, but don't join a community full of foreigners basically blocking off and exploiting the actual locals. It's possible to live nice in a different without doing any of that horrible shit.
I think foreigners can only enter in a investment or business visa right now.
Anecdotally I know several people who have quit nice jobs in major US cities and have been living in Bali for the past 5 years.
Its really cheap, they work enough there to set up crazy trips and then post about it on FB and instagram.
I never really thought of the consequences for the people in Bali and just wondered what it would be like to pick up everything and move to another country like that.
Its really cheap, they work enough there to set up crazy trips and then post about it on FB and instagram.
I never really thought of the consequences for the people in Bali and just wondered what it would be like to pick up everything and move to another country like that.
Yeah dunno why they feel the need to include the LGBTA friendliness as one of the main issues. The immigration side totally missed the point. Some of the replies even pointed that out.
Balinese people in my experience has always been more open and friendly anyways.
According to the letter above she actually just extended her visa till January 24th. She's being deported because she misused her tourist visa and "endangering public safety" I suppose. Our officials are quick to respond to internet storms lol.
Balinese people in my experience has always been more open and friendly anyways.
According to the letter above she actually just extended her visa till January 24th. She's being deported because she misused her tourist visa and "endangering public safety" I suppose. Our officials are quick to respond to internet storms lol.
er, yes. there is a total travel ban right now.
I would likened what they currently doing to people that advertise and coach people on how to get into US as a refugee (even though they are not one).
she first came in in Jan 2020, and just extended their visa in Dec. so she already overstayed for a couple of months by that time. curiously , it was only extended till 24th Jan 2021, so she should know that she will need to leave soon, unless she have no plan of leaving and just plans to overstay again,
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It goes beyond that, simply going to Bali for a week-long vacation as implications and consequences to the natives. Bali exists to cater to white or East Asian tourists. Any developing country city/province/area like that will exploit local population for tourism to an extent.
I dont really agree with the way she avoids tax or something, but when she says that bali is lgbt friendly. No.. as a gay guy who once visits there, bali is not lgbt friendly
yeah, mentioning LGBT at all in their official press release is a moronic move by the immigration authority. Not at all surprising sadly.
She gonna seen as hero, she a queer colored women that deported by backward ass country just for being sexual minority. Shit fucked up
Are you saying this as if it's fact or that you think it will be perceived that way. Because no one who has been paying attention will ever perceive this as anything but an idiot receiving instant karma.
At this point I dont know anymore, the story turned to point that disgust me to the gut.
Yup. I'm reminded of a similar thing.
Knew some old friends from different backgrounds/nationalites who grew up in one of the gulf countries in the Middle East.
My English friends who lived there often reminisce on "The Good Ol' Days" of living in their luxury bubble going camping in the desert, jetskiing, exploring nature, partying by the beach, exploring the local markets, little quaint things like "eating shawarma" and telling tales of how they got away with things(some frowned upon but some illegal under local laws like public drinking/pretending to be sober in front of cops, breaking/entering, mockery of local customs). Their stories and gated community lives seem so detached from reality based on myself and my other friend's (who weren't British) opinion. The weirdest part is that the English friends didn't even understand or acknowledged how detached they were from what really happens in the city/country or how others were treated or how their definition of how the country is "awesome, magical, luxurious" is completely alien to anyone that isn't Western and doesn't really represent an accurate portrayal of the country/city. They are simply happy and content with their bizarre naive notion of what the country/city was to them and that's it.
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But of all the reasons why she is deported err the main reason because she is a part of lgbtq is pretty unsettling to me. I mean she has other reasons to get punished by law, but why being an lgbtq especially listed as the main reason? I dont know how to say about this, I dont think i can recommend people to come to bali even after pandemic
yeah, I'm not sure why they even brought that up. Really strange.
I definitely wouldn't have reccomend anywhere in Indonesia as LGBT friendly , like even if touristy areas technically are, the actual country isnt.
I don't know if that's a slap on the wrist. She has to uproot her life.
Did you expect a fine or jail time?
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basically:
Immigration claim that she is spreading misinformation that could cause restless in society (sic)
1. She said that Bali is an LGBTQ friendly place
2. She said that it is easy to travel to Bali during the pandemic
Additionally she is breaking the term of her visa by selling ebook and starting paid consultancy business
clown stuffs
You can read that two ways, the first being what I think was meant - "How dare you encourage more LGBT individuals come here! We don't want you or them!" or the second, "Encouraging LGBT members to come to Bali puts them in danger since Bali is in no way shape or form friendly to them."
It's a bit of both. Bali's handling of LGBTQ+ is out of the norm in Indonesia.
Wait thats all? Nevermind, this is a slap on the wrist lmao. She'll try to come back
Two things:
1) I don't know how useful an ebook about going to Bali is when the author was kicked out...
2) The reason she felt she could do whatever, and why NullPointerException had that experience with friends is, I feel related to why she claimed Bali was LGBTQ-friendly.
People go to these countries and paint it to be better than their home country by way of comparison. They don't know the history, culture, or pressures. They just assume "oh, it's different" and think they can do/be whatever. Very "grass is greener" attitude.
Like a person on a mission trip, their ignorance make them feel like they're being praised, or that they're doing all the right things, etc. But their reality couldn't be any further from the experience of people who live there.
...You'll also see this with people who come to America and become successful, tbh. They don't see the issues that we would from living here the whole time.
1) I don't know how useful an ebook about going to Bali is when the author was kicked out...
2) The reason she felt she could do whatever, and why NullPointerException had that experience with friends is, I feel related to why she claimed Bali was LGBTQ-friendly.
People go to these countries and paint it to be better than their home country by way of comparison. They don't know the history, culture, or pressures. They just assume "oh, it's different" and think they can do/be whatever. Very "grass is greener" attitude.
Like a person on a mission trip, their ignorance make them feel like they're being praised, or that they're doing all the right things, etc. But their reality couldn't be any further from the experience of people who live there.
...You'll also see this with people who come to America and become successful, tbh. They don't see the issues that we would from living here the whole time.
Plenty of Americans on these forums, white or not, shrug off the shitty impact the US and Americans have on the world. POC in the US will fight for their lives but will gladly throw the lives of POC outside of their hemisphere under the bus. A Westerner is a Westerner and they will do what they do best: Exploit and destroy.
Basically, if you're gonna do shady shit, don't do it in a public venue.
The teen who flew to the Caymans and broke quarantine learned the same lesson.
Oh yeah, the attitudes of expats (especially in relatively poorer East Asian/Southeast Asian countries) can be horrifying. Obviously, #notallexpats, I know some people who move there with genuine respect and eventually grow to love their new country, but it does seem like there's a ton of them that take advantage of a) being Western [privilege socially] and b) the exchange rates [privilege economically], and end up treating the locals as expendable poor. The stereotype is a western white male, but I have no doubt it's people of all identities.
Let's not even get started on sexpats. I just had breakfast.
Yeah it's something we're still working on. To be fair, it's kinda like this in every country.
Honestly as long as you're respectful, it's probably not a big deal. Like, don't break/flaunt local laws, don't be obnoxious, don't exploit the locals, don't make a youtube series about how exotic the country is and how "weird" everyone there is ("10 WEIRD things that are totally normal here" videos and such), etc.
People can and do immigrate all the time. Nothing wrong with that.
lol, this in HK, China, India, Africa etc., too. Major side eye from me when that shit gets romanticized.
Can you translate it for us?
That is how I look at it.
One of my friends from high school lives there and while he is enjoying his life he is also constantly try to raise money for schools in Bali over the internet.
Glad to be able to relate to someone else about this.
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That's just liberal identity politics doing it's thing. Class is never taken in the equation, and people like her are some of the most privileged economic classes on earth.
First paragraph lays out the basics, including the tweets and her ebook. Also she was apparently offering consultations for $50.
Goes on to describe the authorities' investigation.
Then the charges against her: spreading inciting information (I'm not sure what the proper legal term is) in claiming that Bali is 1) queer-friendly and 2) easily entered even during the pandemic. Also her ebook and consultation business.
Then goes on to describe the punishment ie. detention and deportation.
I'll agree with fertygo here. Having the queer-friendly thing as a sticking point is really weird and it really obscures the actual problem. I think it might play well with a lot of my countrymen, though, unfortunately.
Either way, it's good that she's being deported.
It's good she's being deported, and also good that the authorities showed their asses and now people know it's an unwelcoming, hateful place.
Yep. Seriously, i think inviting people during pandemic and offering consultation on how to cheat the system is good enough reason to deport her.
Anyway, this westerner also made it hard for local LGBTQ in Indonesia.
Ding ding ding.
Southeast Asian here (Philippines) and I really had a lot of thoughts on this, and I was especially triggered by the mean tweets directed to Indonesians for calling the woman out. I know much has been said on the nuances of the issue--that her being black and queer must have made the backlash worse than it should be since this doesn't seem to happen to white men exploiting SE Asia(which as an SE Asian, I disagree. White immigrants exploiting our country have been the butt of our jokes. How could anyone forget Rose and that no-neck guy in 30-Day Fiance?). I just hate the fact that the moment we have something to say about the exploitation of the west of our natural resources, it is being reframed as we are the offensive party here when it is our local economy being pillaged. I have literally seen the cities I've lived in bend backward to create areas in the center for Westerners and making those areas generally inaccessible to the mass public and somehow I should feel offended when I call people out? Yes, there is a conversation to be had about racism and homophobia, but why are people so quick to reorient that discussion toward that, when Indonesians raised legitimate points that are worth discussing about?
I know there's been official communication from the forum staff about this, but as a Southeast Asian who sympathize with the Indonesians and who are also witness and victim to the same type of exploitation and oppression, I just have to put my thoughts out there.
Also as a bisexual who knows closeted people in Indonesia, it's been mentioned in this thread, but Indonesia is nowhere near queer-friendly. Bali is a bit more open but I've still heard stories. I'm actually not surprised how the official PR mentions her being LGBT as part of the reason why she is being deported. This tweet actually explains the issue further:
The first half of her thread also discusses the issue of racism here and how it didn't come to play:
I also feel like this is a point worth talking about and isn't being raised particularly enough.
She's claiming that she didn't violate her tourist visa because she didn't make money in the local currency.
www.sfgate.com
California woman who enthused Bali was queer-friendly being deported
DENPASAR, Indonesia (AP) — An American graphic designer is being deported from the...
American Woman Deported From Bali After Calling It ‘Queer Friendly’ (Published 2021)
Indonesian immigration officials detained the woman overnight Tuesday and said she was being deported for “spreading information that could unsettle the public.”
Man, that's certainly a headline
Not when you can get deported and cancelled as fast as these couple have. If they didn't brag about it and try and grift their opportunity in the first place they wouldn't be on the next plane back.
So good. For exploiting the local community, informing/consulting others on how to successfully negotiate around covid restrictions, tax avoidance etc. Selfish, self-serving westerners abusing locals from poorer country's really gets to me, as if things aren't already tough, they have to deal with us abusing their laws and using it against them. Paul Logan-esque entitlement on display, simply gross.American Woman Deported From Bali After Calling It ‘Queer Friendly’ (Published 2021)
Indonesian immigration officials detained the woman overnight Tuesday and said she was being deported for “spreading information that could unsettle the public.”www.nytimes.com
Man, that's certainly a headline
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I hope everyone reads this post. Should be thread marked.
If you pay for her book maybe she will show you how to get into Bali during the pandemic. Only 49.95 usd, but act now because in the next five minutes we will chuck in a set of steak knives.
I hope the young ladies will have learned a valuable lesson but they seem a bit privileged. The two had a rare and lucky opportunity which they should have been humble and thankful about, instead they risked it all for a cash grab and social media clout
It never even seems to enter these peoples mind that they are in fact screwing over other people.Here's a another person trying to get people to come to Bali during a pandemic, he locked his account real fast. He's been reported to immigration as well.
