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Analogue Super NT - orders and shipping(Now you're playing with SUPER POWER)
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Oh man, just got the chills. This would be so great.
Edit: And it's for lack of original hardware or software.. It's just a convenience factor. I never play my old stuff because it's such as hassle to have everything hooked up.
I sold most of my SNES carts back in the day (used to have a huge collection, then realized I'd rarely be able to play them with work and babies and school). That and I needed to pay for baby clothes and formula and stuff.
These days the kids are older and I have some time again, but I'm not interested in storing a bunch of rarely-played carts.
I have a SNES classic modded, and a fully decked out retropie for fun (with the games I wanted) with videos and everything all set up.
But the Super NT is going to get used more - primarily for the accuracy and less lag experience vs emulation solutions.
You could do similarly with higan and a good PC...my i7 laptop runs higan pretty decently. But getting it to a plug-and-play / quick to use TV solution would take some more effort. You could go emulation station on x86, but one with enough oomph for higan would take some effort.
They're on archive.org (if you're talking about the everdrive packs)
On Arcade-Projects: https://www.arcade-projects.com/for...-transparent-super-nt/&postID=73301#post73301
Make of it what you will. :)
1. Because they didn't. It was sent to them via an "Anonymous" source.
2. Archive.org You have to sign up to be able to download.
Neither the Pi nor the SNES Classic are accurate emulations of the SNES. Only emulation that is anywhere near accurate is byuu's Higan aka BSNES. And even that suffers from input lag inherent to all emulators running on top of a modern PC operating system. This Super Nt, being an well-done FPGA-based simulation, is virtually indistinguishable from the real thing in terms of performance, and its scaling to HD beats the Framemeister and OSSC handily.
Kev is the man. I get the feeling that Analogue doesn't mind either but needs to have it done through unofficial channels.
I'm very curious to see their thoughts on other cores though. You can't buy the original NT anymore but if they were ever to release a plastic version, it would cannibalize those sales.
Let's not get carried away with the OSSC claim. The OSSC is far more configurable to get an almost perfect image out of the snes
From what I hear the SNES doesn't get along with the OSSC so well.
Dude, I have an OSSC. The latest revision with a HDMI output. The SNES's nonstandard clock speed does not play nice with the HDMI's digital audio clock timing and the result is some really nasty noise in the audio signal. Sure, I could run an additional analog audio cable along the long run from my retro rack to my receiver, and completely upend the entire setup on my receiver and jury rigg some kind of contraption to get the analog audio back into the HDMI cable, but that is way too much of a hassle. The audio in the Super Nt's HDMI output is far better.
So yes, once again, with a bit of revision to narrow it down for you, the HDMI output that comes from the Super NT beats the OSSC's HDMI output of a SNES, hands down, without question.
Marqs even suggested modifying the SNES's timing clock to fix the HDMI audio, which there's no way in hell I would ever do.
Jailbreak folks, here is the 240p test suite SNES/SFC rom. Great for checking out overscan (use the grid pattern), incorrect black levels, etc.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/testsuite240p/files/SNES_SFC/?
The SNES and OSSC actually display properly on my TV without overscanning the image like the Super NT currently does. I expect this will be fixed, though! Kevtris is busy but he's looking into it.
Some TVs don't like 60.09hz refresh rates and that's not the OSSC's fault. The OSSC works fantastically well with the SNES, minus the audio hum which is at a pretty low level. And the OSSC gets patched regularly so this may be fixed.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/testsuite240p/files/SNES_SFC/?
The SNES and OSSC actually display properly on my TV without overscanning the image like the Super NT currently does. I expect this will be fixed, though! Kevtris is busy but he's looking into it.
Some TVs don't like 60.09hz refresh rates and that's not the OSSC's fault. The OSSC works fantastically well with the SNES, minus the audio hum which is at a pretty low level. And the OSSC gets patched regularly so this may be fixed.
All of you people talking about how well the OSSC plays with the SNES don't have the HDMI version and are not trying to output audio via HDMI.
https://www.videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/audio-noise-issues-snes-jr-w-rgb-mod/
https://www.videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/audio-noise-issues-snes-jr-w-rgb-mod/
Yeah, I do. I have 1.6 HDMI and use the audio. There's a low level hum but it's not a big deal unless I use headphones. At least my SNES and OSSC.
Do you have an old TV or something? You should be able to set your TV to 0% overscan. The Super NT shouldn't have any overscan unless you are using 5x height for integer scaling. No need for integer scaling unless you care about scanlines.
Yep. Which makes the Framemeister a ton laggier. Try killing the final boss in Jackal for the NES through a Framemeister. It's nigh impossible.
I get off of work in a little while. I'll test it when I get home, assuming that no one else does so in the meantime.
So what is the likelihood that the fpga used for the snes nt has the headroom to simulate all the special chips (excluding the seta shougi ones)?
So what would be the point of the anonymous release if it can definitely be traced back to him?
Yeah, mine plays through some rather large speakers that reveal everything. It's an obviously digital sounding narrow-band noise in the mid-to-high end of the frequency spectrum.
Should have headroom to at least do DSP 1 - 4. I assume "Smoktris" has just been so busy he hasn't had time to implement them yet.
Nope. 2017 LG OLED. LG is approaching 20% of the global market, also, and their LCDs seem to treat inputs like their OLEDs do, too.
I've already done a lot of legwork on this. Display devices look for flags in the HDMI stream and decide whether to overscan based on content type.
HDMI sources that don't overscan on my TV:
Xbox 360
Xbox One
Playstation 4
Playstation 3
Wii U
Switch
PC
OSSC
HDMI sources that do overscan on my TV:
Super NT
https://standards.cta.tech/kwspub/published_docs/CTA-861-G_FINAL_revised_2017.pdf
My current guess is that Switch, Xbox One, etc. identify a content type of 'Game' and that if the Super NT does this the overscan issue may be addressed.
Perhaps Analogue only wanting to be held accountable for a smaller range of compatibility by sticking solely with its original design for the system?
Don't know how people handle their carts. 10/10 worked for me without any cleaning - some of them were not used for 15+ years.
It was merely a link to the post which I quoted. I think you have to sign up to view posts, hence I quoted the post here.
So, even when you do custom width and height you still get overscan? Weird.
you have to be logged in to see it. But the full quote is here.
What happens if you hold the start button for a few seconds?
Heeeyyy it stopped blinking. So was it in some strange mode or state?
I run all my retro audio from my scart switch audio out straight into my reciever since my onkyo doesn't like the ossc signal and doesn't play nice with it.
I have an ossc for the picture quality it provides (and I own both revisions :p)
I'm trying to read some of the previous posts...So Smokemonster = Kevtris and he just released jailbroken firmware...Uh, does that mean SD2SNES would be redundant, or still to early to tell?
And my gscartsw switch's audio is already going to my PVM setup. My Super Nt gets me HDMI audio and video in one cable into my receiver. No need to do any jury-rigging of a long analog audio cable run to my receiver with somehow re-inserting it into the HDMI input from the OSSC.
Also, Smokemonster is not Kevtris. SD2SNES supports some games with extra chips that the jailbreak won't support at the moment.
Smokemonster has been making these meticulously organized ROM packs for all the flash carts out there for retro consoles for a long time. My Life In Gaming just did a livestream recently using a SD2SNES with Smokemonster's pack for that cart. Guy has been putting in work for the retro community for a very long time.
No. Smokemonster is Smokemonsther, and Kevtris is Kevtris. It's 100% "we think this is what happened". Right now, I'm on the stance that Smokemonster released what he made. That's how it is until we are told from a reliable source. SD2SNES isn't redundant at all.
The theory is that kevtris secretely handed this firmware to smokemonster for release, but I'm not yet convinced. This makes the basic version of the Super Everdrive redundant (assuming bugs get fixed) but not the sd2snes
Why would you reinsert it into your ossc? I'm confused. I just get the audio on the reciever and the picture goes straight to hdmi4 on my Vizio (ensuring no added lag from the Onkyo)
The HDMI input on my receiver needs to get the audio and the video together.
So from what I understand...the SD2SNES has a built-in FPGA as well, which is why there are these special MSU-1 releases of particular games?
Was MSU-1 an actual chip that was used in the SNES lifecycle? It's the first time I'm ever heard about it.
Oh, come on, if you are waiting for Kevtris to admit it was him then you'll be waiting a long time. We all know what is going on here. SmokeMonster is simply a middle man so legal action can't be taken against Analogue/Kevtris. Its really as simple as that.
No, that enhancement "chip" was actually created by BYUU for his BSNES emulator.
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