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Mankoto

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Inquisitive_Ghost

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Some women believe their place is in the kitchen. It's weird. I've talked to a few.

"So, you are okay if a man hits a woman?"

"Sometimes we need it."
There's a perverse sort of logic trap it's possible to fall into whereupon people broadly accept that sexism exists; therefore, elevating and emphasizing traditional female roles and stereotypes is "empowering" because, well, now women are getting acknowledged. We're acknowledging women.

This isn't of course what's actually happening and this framing ultimately worsens everything, but if your understanding of historical and sociological gender issues is either naive or badly misinformed, it can be convincing.

I nearly fell into this trap in my teenage years for a short while, though with nothing so severe as this.

Also just old-fashioned internalized misogyny.
 

Truly Gargantuan

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Some women believe their place is in the kitchen. It's weird. I've talked to a few.

"So, you are okay if a man hits a woman?"

"Sometimes we need it."
I'm ok with this. If a woman wants to be subservient that's her business. We shouldn't judge how people seek relationships and what the nature of those relationships are. As long as all parties are consenting adults - it ain't our place.

This isn't a defense of Tate and the trash he pushes.
 

Eien1no1Yami

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Oct 30, 2017
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I love this response


View: https://twitter.com/galaxymutant1/status/1615598431887572992

But on topic is that what's really going on in the video? I spotted at least one woman there, why would any woman support a virulent misogynist?

After reading this in the news here, I was shocked to see how the Tiktok culture can negatevely affect young kids so much.
Most of these kids are 14-15 year olds that have seen some posts on Tiktok and went marching......
Has anyone noticed something similar in other european countries?
 
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I'm ok with this. If a woman wants to be subservient that's her business. We shouldn't judge how people seek relationships and what the nature of those relationships are. As long as all parties are consenting adults - it ain't our place.

This isn't a defense of Tate and the trash he pushes.

True but the "Sometimes WE need it" is a problem.

She needs to speak for HERself and not the rest of us. I'm definitely not subservient and I DEFINITELY don't want to be hit. That's pretty much my overall problem with these "pick me" girls 🤢
 

Wraith

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Jun 28, 2018
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Ah. Robert Evans and the Behind the Bastards podcast crew are finally covering Tate. They just released the first part.


View: https://twitter.com/coolzonemedia/status/1615423038656479232?s=46&t=Mco_sLoObaLUHyPWl3y0jw

Episode 2:
podcasts.apple.com

‎Behind the Bastards: Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Behind the Bastards, Ep Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story - Jan 19, 2023

open.spotify.com

Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story

Listen to this episode from Behind the Bastards on Spotify. Robert is joined again by Ian Johnson to continue to discuss Andrew Tate. FOOTNOTES: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108090691/chess-family-strives-to-keep-pressures/ https://youtu.be/bsu-IoE8J4A https://youtu.be/VIsKh-dtnQA...
 

Thordinson

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I'm ok with this. If a woman wants to be subservient that's her business. We shouldn't judge how people seek relationships and what the nature of those relationships are. As long as all parties are consenting adults - it ain't our place.

This isn't a defense of Tate and the trash he pushes.

We should seek to understand why a woman feels this way though and it's often because of upbringings where they are told they are less than men and must take care of them. This is not a good thing.

I do agree that we shouldn't judge them for it.
 

crimilde

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Episode 2:
podcasts.apple.com

‎Behind the Bastards: Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Behind the Bastards, Ep Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story - Jan 19, 2023

open.spotify.com

Part Two: The Andrew Tate Story

Listen to this episode from Behind the Bastards on Spotify. Robert is joined again by Ian Johnson to continue to discuss Andrew Tate. FOOTNOTES: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108090691/chess-family-strives-to-keep-pressures/ https://youtu.be/bsu-IoE8J4A https://youtu.be/VIsKh-dtnQA...

Nice, I just finished listening to the first one earlier today.
 

Gaia Lanzer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm ok with this. If a woman wants to be subservient that's her business. We shouldn't judge how people seek relationships and what the nature of those relationships are. As long as all parties are consenting adults - it ain't our place.

This isn't a defense of Tate and the trash he pushes.
It has to be something SHE wants, for HER and ONLY HER. It gets muddy if she was conditioned from childhood to believe that's the way life SHOULD be because whatever cultural/social traits she picked up were considered "normal behavior" from her parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, or friends and neighbors. Also, it still makes you shit if you are marching for the release of a grade-A shitstain like Tate who held women against their will, beat them and raped them. Do what you want to yourself on your own time, don't advocate for a predator to do it to other people. You can be fine making such personal choices for yourself, but acknowledge that such things being done to unwilling victims is something that should NOT be supported in any way. The fact all those people marching are FOR Tate just shows who and what they are.
 

crimilde

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Oct 26, 2017
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Bit late but here's some photos of his cars being seized:

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T8 BYE indeed.

 
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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm ok with this. If a woman wants to be subservient that's her business. We shouldn't judge how people seek relationships and what the nature of those relationships are. As long as all parties are consenting adults - it ain't our place.

This isn't a defense of Tate and the trash he pushes.

There's a difference between a dominant/submissive relationship and an abusive one.

Saying that some women deserve to be beaten by their romantic partner is disgusting. There is no excuse for it.
 

Birdie

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Oct 26, 2017
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I was watching the Vice documentary on Tate and it made me realize...for all the talk of an elite society controlling the world that's like literally what Andrew Tate seemed to be doing...well that and making money.
 

Marshall

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Oct 27, 2017
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So is this guy actually going to go away to prison or am I going to wake up in a few weeks to a video of him smirking as he strolls out to a fucking limo to go home.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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Atreus from God of War got into the bad pyramid schemes
omg lol, cannot unsee

Oh nononononononono. I'm definitely not endorsing that. Sorry if that's how it came off
Honestly why the fuck did you even bring up dom/sub relationships in response to what bangai-o was saying? You even wrote "I'm OK with this" in response to him citing women who think other women belong in the kitchen (internalized misogyny, not their own personal choice to be a housewife) and that women sometimes need to get hit (not consensual dom/sub kinks, but retaliation for "insubordinate" behaviour).

It's frankly entirely baffling that this is where your mind went when reading that post, let alone that you write "I'm OK with this".
 
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Truly Gargantuan

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omg lol, cannot unsee


Honestly why the fuck did you even bring up dom/sub relationships in response to what bangai-o was saying? You even wrote "I'm OK with this" in response to him citing women who think other women belong in the kitchen (internalized misogyny, not their own personal choice to be a housewife) and that women sometimes need to get it (not consensual dom/sub kinks, but retaliation for "insubordinate" behaviour).

It's frankly entirely baffling that this is where your mind went when reading that post, let alone that you write "I'm OK with this".
You're being real aggro about this.
 

Astral

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh god wait. So The Matrix is like the Illuminati? I thought he meant it kinda figuratively. Like, the mentality people who hate on him have is The Matrix and the "real world" was his worldview which he deems the correct one. Wtf lol.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Oh god wait. So The Matrix is like the Illuminati? I thought he meant it kinda figuratively. Like, the mentality people who hate on him have is The Matrix and the "real world" was his worldview which he deems the correct one. Wtf lol.
The actual use of that is just to explain the vast majority of people being within a system that they unknowingly are part of. The "unplugging" aspect is purely for people who see that aspect of control etc and pull themselves out if it. It's just an allegory to explain how some view the world as it stands and how they see themselves as part of against that overall system.
 

El Bombastico

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Oct 25, 2017
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The actual use of that is just to explain the vast majority of people being within a system that they unknowingly are part of. The "unplugging" aspect is purely for people who see that aspect of control etc and pull themselves out if it. It's just an allegory to explain how some view the world as it stands and how they see themselves as part of against that overall system.

Man, bigoted misogynist right-wing chucklefucks co-opting a very left-wing movie created by two trans women will never not be infuriating.

But then, I've lost count of how many conservatives I see online and IRL that are fans of Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down, so I guess its to be expected at this point.
 

Raide

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Oct 31, 2017
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Man, bigoted misogynist right-wing chucklefucks co-opting a very left-wing movie created by two trans women will never not be infuriating.

But then, I've lost count of how many conservatives I see online and IRL that are fans of Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down, so I guess its to be expected at this point.
Even before Tate, it was used to explain a simple thing but it's been twisted and used by anyone that wants to expand on it to suit their own ends. People read far more into it and expand it to get what they want out of it aka Tate
 

El Bombastico

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Oct 25, 2017
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Even before Tate, it was used to explain a simple thing but it's been twisted and used by anyone that wants to expand on it to suit their own ends. People read far more into it and expand it to get what they want out of it aka Tate

Oh I'm well aware this shit far predates Tate. Been hearing right-wingers talking about being red-pills or whatever for many years now.
 

Chimpzy

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Dec 5, 2018
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But then, I've lost count of how many conservatives I see online and IRL that are fans of Rage Against the Machine and System of a Down, so I guess its to be expected at this point.
I remember some bloke tweeting not too long ago about going to a RAtM show and being angry that de la Rocha spoke out in support of LGBTQ+, saying they "used to be one of us" or something. Yes, famously conservative band Rage Against The Machine. Good shit

Nowhere near as good as the boomer couple at a trump rally dancing to Killing In the Name while waving a blue lives matter flag tho. /s
 
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