At the party she checked her bag/belongings. At no point did I ever take her phone or purse or deny her access to them. In fact she posted photos to her Twitter of her with other people throughout the night.
Have more people come forward? Genuinely curious.
If what she's saying is true, I think it's just a matter of time until more people come forward with similar stories (as is usually the case).
This.
If you accuse me of being me a sexual predator when I'm not, you can be sure your ass will get sued.
No weak C&D, I'm taking you to court no matter what
You could do that but lawyers will always recommend you handle things out of court before taking things to court. It's why nintendo sends c&ds instead of immediately sueing people when they make fan games. it's standard legal practice.This.
If you accuse me of being me a sexual predator when I'm not, you can be sure your ass will get sued.
No weak C&D, I'm taking you to court no matter what
Sometimes I truly believe there are more than just giveaway bots here.
If he can prove this than it blows a hole in her story right?...🤔
The right answer. This needs to be investigated by an impartial third party and Court is the best way to do thatFrankly none of us know anything about what happened, and we are all going to say guilty or not guilty based on whether we previously liked him or not. This should be settled in court.
This is some bs. False accusations are incredibly rare. Courts are notorious for siding with abusers as well and shaming victims.Frankly none of us know anything about what happened, and we are all going to say guilty or not guilty based on whether we previously liked him or not. This should be settled in court.
When exactly would it be okay to get a lawyer involved then? How is someone scummy for taking legal action?
Thank you, I've been thinking the same thing. You're damned if you defend yourself and you're damned if you dont.When exactly would it be okay to get a lawyer involved then? How is someone scummy for taking legal action?
When exactly would it be okay to get a lawyer involved then? How is someone scummy for taking legal action?
OOf. I honestly don't know what to think at this point. I don't think this escalating any further
Ethically, you don't need any justification for getting lawyers involved in a dispute.I actually edited that part out. At first it felt like he was perhaps trying to strong-arm and silence her from his position of power. However, if he seriously believes this is slander, then I suppose it is his right to get a lawyer involved.
His part of the story doesn't make sense though.Yeah, I'm not buying this refutation. His whole three sentences about what happened in his hotel room don't contradict what she said.
"We all traveled together to the hotel where she chose to wait while I showered and got ready for the dinner." Why is he so vague about whether she was waiting in his room or not? That's a pretty critical part of her story. If that wasn't true, you'd think he clarify that. But he knows that even that is crossing the line, so he brushed over that detail.
"At no point did anything improper happen. I never offered or suggested sex." That doesn't contradict her claim, which is that he asked if she wanted to take a shower with him, and she refused.
I also dislike the whole attitude of, "She is an adult. She could have left at any time."
Why would you need lawyers to send C&D letters when the other party has zero proof? If they truly believe victims of sexual assault then they must know how harmful legal action is to holding predators, rapists, etc accountable because courts and other legal avenues tend to side with the abusers. All lawyers do is, "Shut up, or we'll make your life hell". And what is the victim's recourse unless they have a lot of money too? They'll lose because they cannot prove their accounts. Lawyers are an easy way to swing the law at victims to silence them from speaking their truths.Thank you, I've been thinking the same thing. You're damned if you defend yourself and you're if you dont.
Wow he completely misrepresents her story in his denial. And by that I mean he isn't saying the story isn't true, he's mixing up parts of the story then denying his own fabricated changes.
Yeah believe women ... UNLESS/UNTILThe replies in here are basically "believe women (until the dude says he did nothing wrong and then well, I guess he's all good)"
You cannot collect "receipts" and go to court. Assuming they even make it to discovery, it is a much more complex process than that. Most attorneys worth their salt would recommend a C&D letter before proceeding with a lawsuit. Yes it is true that a C&D is a scare tactic but it is also a practical tool.
I didn't not agree with you often but I agree here. I don't have enough info to judge one way or another and on top of that it isn't my place or authority. It should definitely be investigated but I am not the one to do it.Frankly none of us know anything about what happened, and we are all going to say guilty or not guilty based on whether we previously liked him or not. This should be settled in court.
Well according to her story Joe straight up said it wasn't a one time thing. And all the girls want is his connections apparently. So if that part of the story is accurate and he was telling her the truth there, there would absolutely be other women with similar stories.Sadly, the only thing that can corroborates her allegation is if another victim step forward. I have no doubt shit like this is not a one time thing, they just always managed to get away with it.
When you lay out the sequence of events that way there's very little question that the dude was trying to creep on her.His part of the story doesn't make sense though.
Meets some random YouTuber and a convention, she says she would like to talk with him again. Invites her to his panel, she goes, and then he suddenly invites her to an awkward dinner with YouTube managers then invites her to a party.
Is this just something he normally does? Is he known for just taking random YouTubers and then just dragging them around all day? If he does that's cool, but everything I have seen of him, that absolutely doesn't seem to be that kind of guy.
So what reasons did he have left? As with most stories, the truth falls somewhere in the middle. Which still makes him a creep.
These stupid ass takes are one of the reasons why this site has the reputation that it has
Frankly none of us know anything about what happened, and we are all going to say guilty or not guilty based on whether we previously liked him or not. This should be settled in court.
Yep, it's gaslighting what her original point was.Him honing on the specificity of the word "assualt" and also him saying that at no point was "sex" mentioned is extremely suspect.