Do you know who the KKK are?
Their violence wasn't unseen bro.
Anti-Islam protester thrown into fountain at Danforth shooting memorial in Toronto
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Do you know who the KKK are?
Their violence wasn't unseen bro.
Right I'm just going to state this.
Violence is not just physical, it can be verbal and psychological and this guy was clearly violent in his rhetoric.
To me, anyone who felt attacked by this man had the right to defend themselves, including by getting the guy soaked.
Racists know that people can't equate the violence in words with violence of a physical nature despite one begetting the other and causing more harm.
You don't shut down violent words and you're going to get violence. The guy should be arrested and charged with hate speech.
Violence is not just physical, it can be verbal and psychological and this guy was clearly violent in his rhetoric.
To me, anyone who felt attacked by this man had the right to defend themselves, including by getting the guy soaked.
Racists know that people can't equate the violence in words with violence of a physical nature despite one begetting the other and causing more harm.
You don't shut down violent words and you're going to get violence. The guy should be arrested and charged with hate speech.
And there it is! Look at these bigots long enough and you'll eventually see that dirty history.
Same people cheered when the government was pushing back BLM protestors
Angry racist shouty man tussles with victim of his racism, and is helped into a fountain by a bystander. I'm okay with this.
Not saying hide the violence. I meant hide your face, even though you may be doing a good thing, you run the risk of having a criminal record on your life. What if that guys head got bashed when he fell?
That guy that pushed him now faces worse charges and ruining your life over a guy protesting? He should have just grabbed the sign and ripped it apart.
You couldn't change this bigot's opinion, period. That's not what the guy who threw him in the fountain was trying to do. It was a simple case of talk shit, get hit.
When are you people gonna realize that some people are beyond convincing.
Wait
First you invoked the KKK (hide their face makes sense there)
But when you got called out for invoking the KKK you said you misspoke and meant racists not KKK
Now you're saying you meant hide their identities..
But racists don't hide their identities... KKK members did... but you said you didn't really mean KKK you meant racists.
Your defense of your argument is frankly all over the place and doesn't lend to a charitable interpretation.
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them." That first post still stands as the arbiter of how they really feel.
I just did a two minute search into the shooter and it clearly states he didn't follow Islam and police have yet to find any religious motivation or affiliation. Did anyone in this thread know this? I've been reading some posts and no one's bringing it up yet.
Definitions of "Muslim" from various sources
A Muslim (Arabic: مُسلِم) is someone who follows or practices Islam, a monotheistic Abrahamic religion.
Muslim (plural Muslims, feminine Muslimah or Muslima)
Definition of Muslim
: an adherent of Islam
adjective
noun, plural Mus·lims, Mus·lim.
I'm not going to get into why protesting Islam is a dumb idea in this post, but I'll enlighten you if you so wish.
Also, there's this:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/muslim
So it's blatantly obvious that he's not really concerned for the "dangers" of Islamic ideology, he just hates people who practice Islam.
Lol. What if the racist started shooting people? There's no point in talking hypothetical scenarios. So just stop. Also, stop referring to the guy as a protestor. He is a raging racist.
Stop it. You're interfering with Fountain Frank's right to irrationally discriminate against brown people.
I think you missed the source of the confusion. You see, he didn't read OP.
Richard Spencer was a Nazi on the rise in both influence and popularity and was more emboldened than ever by the election of Trump until he famously got punched in the face and publicly humiliated all over the Internet. He didn't appear in public for months out of fear and his reputation, and the significance of his movement, never recovered as he now can't stage a speech without being run out of town. And when he does lol up somewhere he draws crowds of less than s dozen people confronted by ten times as many counter protestors.
Deplatforming Nazis and associated racists works and if it takes some level of violence to accomplish it then so be it.
Deplatforming Nazis and associated racists works and if it takes some level of violence to accomplish it then so be it.
And he's banned now, so I typed all that for nothing, lol. Seriously though, I hope not reading the OP is an official bannable offense, drives me mad when people storm into a thread and talk shit without reading the OP. I'm sure we've all done it, but it's still dumb as hell.
Yah I shouldn't have even said that last line in the first place. Either way the racist got what he deserved, just hope he doesn't press charges on the guy who pushed him.
I haven't, in all honesty, though I have skimmed and missed stuff before, which is just a semantic difference.
I agree, obviously not reading before commenting, especially when you then don't read up on it after you start a discussion with your post, should not be accepted.
Ding ding ding. The one and only reasonable take-away from this situation. Propagating the idea that minorities need to be cleansed = you've forfeited your rights as far as I'm concerned. If someone wants to body slam you into a fountain or worse at that point, I have zero sympathy. Get fucked.
This this this.
Spencer got fucked up and deplatformed. A little bit of roughing up worked.
People who are concerned and judge what happened to this guy, and Spencer before (there were plenty of those in Spencer centric discussions on gaf), offer a better alternative that is proven to work and you'll get more people behind you. Otherwise you're just not offering anything of value. Not doing anything is never ever a solution with these kind of people.
I 100% agree.
Nazis and racist people spreading hatred are extremely dangerous. No way that their words should be taken lightly and no way that we should refrain from using violence (if needed) to stop them. This is on a whole other level than "free speech".
Yes, what are they protesting that required them to specifically be at this location at this time?
It's really interesting to me that you put more blame on the people who had to watch this intimate violation and racist spectacle, as opposed to the man inciting them with a cruel message that is basically condoning and encouraging violence.
Damn straight.
But being spineless is easy. Non violence is sometimes just the cowards way of trying to look virtuous.
I really hope you have a good backup argument for how what he was talking about was related to Islam, and why this protest made sense, in general.
Because right now you're just defending a guy who keeps pulling hateful shit even after he was sentenced to nine months in jail after he was convicted of willfully promoting hatred against Muslims, and was convicted of criminal harassment and mischief.
Well what you can't do is try to act like Islam has contributed anymore death and destruction than Christianity has.
Let alone the need to do it at a memorial of all places