Apple fires back in court, says Epic Games CEO asked for special treatment [Tim Sweeney Denies]
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It would be hilarious if all this spiral'd out of control so fucking hard and wildly that the world loses unreal engine and epic goes bankrupt.
Now this isn't something that would happen but still a fun thing to think of the shockwave that would cause in the industry and how much it would hurt the growth of game development
Now this isn't something that would happen but still a fun thing to think of the shockwave that would cause in the industry and how much it would hurt the growth of game development
I mean they won't be nice with a direct competitor in Xcloud.
Maybe they will be meaner with Netflix when (if) Apple TV+ gains traction.
You can not like Epic, Tim Sweeney and the way they have handled this, but still want them to win the case. It's been a long time coming that Apple's and Google's power over these platforms would have to be checked. And despite these kinds of stupid things, the attention that this has drawn to it has been nothing but a good thing.
So they can be a new gatekeeper and make bank like they do with EGS on PC. It's all money in the end.
Ah you're right boo this is no longer a fun thought with an outcome that obvious :P
From the linked WaPo story:
kinda says it all, doesn't it
When Tim Sweeney said he wasn't looking for a special deal wasn't he referring more to the 30% cut? As in not asking for a discount like some other major publishers have?
But the deal in question here seems to be about accessing Epic Storefront directly from Fortnite and bypassing the Apple Store altogether.
It reads like Apple have taken a quote about one thing and attached it to something entirely different and said "look he lied".
But the deal in question here seems to be about accessing Epic Storefront directly from Fortnite and bypassing the Apple Store altogether.
It reads like Apple have taken a quote about one thing and attached it to something entirely different and said "look he lied".
As you said it is unlikely to happen, but if it did there are a number of candidates that could potentially fill that gap, some almost immediately.
He specifically asks that Epic be able to give Apple 0% though.
People defending Epic realize that Apple is merely arguing that they have no reason to put Fortnite back on the store as this is a self-inflicted wound? They even say Epic could revert the game back to its previous state and they'd put it back up even as the lawsuit continues. What is the argument here? Why should Apple be forced to host a game that breaks their TOS before the lawsuit against their TOS is settled?
My only thing with this is, if Epic wins, it wouldn't be a case of now the options are only Apple or EGS. You'd have more options beyond just them two.
They weren't caught, they said that they offered Apple to release EGS on iOS in they lawsuit. It's not a secret.
Nah, I'm really not here for it at all. Epic certainly ain't no goiod guys and neither is Apple, but I'm not sure if I want all walled gardens to be eliminated. Just too many knock on effects for people who aren't Epic or Apple.
I'm not really sure if this lawsuit would address those issues though. I mean in a roundabout way I guess it could?
The enemy of my Enemy is not my friend.
Epic being against Apple doesn't mean that Epic is my friend.
I think at this point it's pretty obvious that all parties involved are shitty and petty, with gamers stuck in the middle of their fuckery.
Fuck em all. Not giving my money to any of them till they figure it out.
Fuck em all. Not giving my money to any of them till they figure it out.
Apple's App store policies are identical to the Console manufacturers though. It's shitty that XCloud isn't allowed on iOS but Microsoft wouldn't allow an alternative method of purchase that bypasses their licensing to be available on Xbox either.
I have no big love for Epic, but it gets really weird around here when they are brought up. You end up having people "playing defense" because the response to anything they do is usually way over the top. To the point we now have a large portion of people carrying water for a $2 trillion dollar mega corp looking to keep it's stranglehold over their walled garden app store. Ultimately lawyers for both sides are going to make each company out to be the victim here. Epic playing up the overall struggles of creators vs Apple, is still a valid point and was set out in the original email, even if their goals are largely self serving.
Beyond thay I don't see the point in not supporting Epic in kicking down the door here. Regardless of their intentions, or how they've gone about this, there's no reason Apple should have the level of control they do over the app store, and it's likely going to be the centerpiece of an anti-trust suit in the near future anyway.
I have never bought a single apple product in my life, how hard they fuck over their customers that fell for their closed ecosystem and continue to feed it has no barring on me :P I really don't give a shit that one scummy company trying to manipulate kids is getting screwed by another one that manipulates its customers. Let them waste their time
I'm not sure if you accidentally got mixed up or did that intentionally just to try and validate your point but that's not what I asked about.
It's been known that Tim "Swindler" Sweeney is full of shit since his crusades against Microsoft
Microsoft also pulled an app from the Xbox Store that let you stream games. https://www.windowscentral.com/rainway-pc-game-streaming-app-pulled-microsoft-store
Yes I agree. Their decision to not put the game back in to the store is for PR reason. I suspect that a day before the deadline they'll make an update. One that no doubt will take a couple of days/ to get checked by Apple.
The reason that they did this was to show Apple as a bad guy, the threat of Apple to revoke all dev keys helped to make their case. Now though they can easily turn back the option as they have already gotten what they wanted.
I understand apple is scummy as fuck but I just don't understand how EPIC has any legs to stand on here? Like.. if you don't wanna pay that 30 you go somewhere else or open your own store and OOPS that's what EPIC already did? Like if enough people decide that Apple sucks now and stop using their store they will change but until then - how you gonna strong arm a company to open up, support, trouble shoot, handle fees and server hosting and all that shit for a COMPETING app store on their devices which are notoriously locked down as part of their entire design?
So weird to me. Like if you were renting space to host laser tag events and then just sent an email to the landlord of that space like "I'm not gonna pay you that money anymore. In fact i'm gonna make people pay me to use the space and play our game but you have to keep the electricity on and the water and all that running or you're the bad guy"
I'm sure i sound dumb as hell right now to anyone with a half assed understanding of how this stuff works but from the outside in as a layman this seems like EPIC trying to ice skate uphill
So weird to me. Like if you were renting space to host laser tag events and then just sent an email to the landlord of that space like "I'm not gonna pay you that money anymore. In fact i'm gonna make people pay me to use the space and play our game but you have to keep the electricity on and the water and all that running or you're the bad guy"
I'm sure i sound dumb as hell right now to anyone with a half assed understanding of how this stuff works but from the outside in as a layman this seems like EPIC trying to ice skate uphill
I really don't see the big "gotcha" here. Both emails read like something he fully expected would become public during this process. He gave Apple a two week heads up and acknowledge that Epic's action would necessitate a side agreement or changes to their contract existing contract so they wouldn't be in breach of contract. He also says he hopes that Apple will make all these requested changes equally available to all developers.
I would love for the app marketplace on mobile to somehow become more competitive and less within the controls of Google and Apple.
But its become clear that Epic is not the vehicle to getting that done.
Becoming less and less of a "Let Them Fight" and more and more of a "Oh lord, just STFU".
But its become clear that Epic is not the vehicle to getting that done.
Becoming less and less of a "Let Them Fight" and more and more of a "Oh lord, just STFU".
This is a fascinating read.
I'd imagine 1% of Era will pour through it, but it does setup how flimsy Epic's TRO to get Fortnite back on iOS (complete with ToS breach code) actually is.
Unsurprisingly, it also specifically notes several times the cascading affect of Epic's parent suit will have on Sony, MS & Nintendo's e-commerce ecosystems.
Hopefully that YouTube lawyer guy will succinctly break this document down.
Depends if you care about the real world where it has nothing to do with it, or if you care about this message board where uninformed hot takes are the local currency.
And yet it seems only one of these companies is willing to pursue litigation when they don't get the deal they want.
Apple:
Epic:
They are talking about the same thing, so who got caught?
Tim Sweeney tweeted several times that he didn't ask for a special deal. He did ask for a special deal. His 'hoping' that Apple will do the same for other devs was placed there in case Apple refused to play ball and this communication became public, as it ended up happening.
they were trying to cut themselves their own secret deal, contrary to what they were saying about "doing this for everyone"
people could smell the bullshit from a mile away. this is purely about making themselves another gatekeeper.
I have no love for Apple. I don't buy their products and I don't use their system.
I think both are shitty.
But the way I see it, if you play in their court, you play by their rules.
If you don't want to play by their rules, then don't play with Apple full stop. I don't.
Android is pretty open. People that want to have more open stuff go that route. You go to apple for their closed ecosystem.