They're going to low ball me like they low balled my friend, just want to know how to negotiate the initial offer.
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Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing
- Thread starter BarryAllen
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They're going to low ball me like they low balled my friend, just want to know how to negotiate the initial offer.
"...respectfully, based on my experience, certification and education, i would like to request x amount".
be prepared to walk away if it does not meet your needs.
At this point in time, I'm thinking of going for a trade, but haven't decided yet on which one to go with. My previous job fell through due to my boss being a disorganized idiot so I'm back to the drawing board.
So my job is going to cut my hours, exactly the opposite time when I need more hours (I'm a grad student and obviously have more time in the summer).
JFC. Can't start looking for jobs until after my last final on Wednesday either.
JFC. Can't start looking for jobs until after my last final on Wednesday either.
Are housesitting jobs kind of sus? I'm conflicted as shit about applying for one of those. It's a thing that doesn't make much sense to me and I know I'm only considering it because of how desperate I am.
took me a while to post an update, but i ended up contacting my boss and was able to get my old job back. Put in my 2 week notice earlier this week and obviously my current boss wasn't thrilled. It was a lot more money, but I was pretty much overwhelmed and going to sleep dead exhausted every night (working the regular 9-5). The deciding factor for me is the office job is just a job for me-not a career and I wasn't going to be able to go to school at night when I was that exhausted. (last week I basically ended up sleeping the whole weekend). My old job wasn't 100% stress free, but I could pretty much do whatever I wanted as long as the work got done (could listen to music, browse the net etc which i'm not able to do at my current job).
In a way kind of feel as a regression, but like I said, it's just a job for me and not a career. Thankfully I didn't leave on bad terms with my old workplace as I thought returning to a job after quitting another one in such a short time looks bad. Unless something drastic happens, probably won't be trying to change jobs for the next couple of years while I take classes at night.
I've been lurking in this thread since the old spot and seldom posted, but I just wanted to share that after submitting hundreds of resumes; I finally landed a job as an analyst and I couldn't be more excited. The only down side is it fucks with my current semester, but like anything else you take the good with the bad.
Thanks to all you guys/gals for keepimg me motivated.
Keep your head up everyone.
Thanks to all you guys/gals for keepimg me motivated.
Keep your head up everyone.
I lost my job yesterday.
I forget if I mentioned this already, but I was put on a two month "improvement program" (let's call it what it is: probation) on account of some mistakes I was making. I spent the next two months diligently working to fix those improvements, and I was given bi-weekly reviews on what I was doing better and still doing wrong. By the last half, no other issues were reported other than some very minor "work on this a little more, remember to do this next time" stuff.
Even though it sounded like my boss was personally satisfied with the outcome, he had also mentioned that it would be up to HR to make the final decision, and that it would be out of his hands: he also mentioned that if I didn't hear anything by the end of Friday, then consider the case closed and that was that. Seeing how the last couple of weeks had zero issues, I put it on the back of my mind content that I had secured my job.
Sure enough, one hour left on Friday and HR came in, only gave me a vague "We feel you didn't make the sufficient improvements from the program" spiel and escorted me out.
I did not like this job. In fact, it was probably the second worst job I ever had. It may not have been physically demanding, but the notion of spending several hours a day staring at a computer monitor and not being allowed to use my phone, listen to music, read a book or anything else made me incredibly stressful. And there was no advancement opportunities either. The days off and insurance perks were great, but that didn't mean I wanted to do this job forever.
But that said, I wanted to leave on my own terms. This may have been a new record for me (2 years), but it's still another job that I was fired from because I lacked something or didn't do something correctly. I was certain I was meeting their standards in this case, so the only thing I can think of is that was my possible people skills that were the final nail in the coffin (but that's a separate issue I'd like to discuss in a separate thread).
It helps that I was already formulating a back-up plan in the event this happened: I'm officially done with government jobs and office jobs. I'm also going to stop constantly debating what career path to take and just narrow it down to IT Security. I had started looking at Maser's videos for A+ certification, so I'm going to make it a daily routine to drive to Starbucks or some other Wi-Fi joint, watch the videos, apply for openings, and other related tasks while staying away from home and personal distractions (TV, games, etc).
But I'm really worried: I have a terrible habit of abandoning ideas halfway (that's another thread!), and I still don't know if the IT field is the one where I'll both enjoy it and excel at it. By sheer coincidence, a TV commercial was playing that was basically urging people to seek out their passion in a career, not just mindlessly clock in and out to a job they don't love. But my passions come with far too many caveats: I enjoy games, but have heard that game development is a desk-sleeping soulless nightmare. I like writing, but have never found anything beyond websites that charge a pittance (or nothing, i.e. "for the exposure) for articles. I like movies, but don't think I have the acting chops to star in them. I like porn, but well...I'm shy.
I seriously don't want to envision a repeat scenario where I was unemployed for several years. I don't want to fall back into my bad habits and I really want to focus on an airtight game plan that gives me the best possible odds of finding a new (and ideally better) career sooner rather than later.
Should I seek out part-time work in the meantime, like online work-at-home opportunities? Should I focus solely on getting the A+ certification and getting into IT as fast as possible, damn the hesitation? How do I keep the motivation, and how do I also make sure I don't get another job only to get fired yet again because I wasn't putting the work I thought I was or inadvertently pissing off people I thought I had a professional relationship with?
I forget if I mentioned this already, but I was put on a two month "improvement program" (let's call it what it is: probation) on account of some mistakes I was making. I spent the next two months diligently working to fix those improvements, and I was given bi-weekly reviews on what I was doing better and still doing wrong. By the last half, no other issues were reported other than some very minor "work on this a little more, remember to do this next time" stuff.
Even though it sounded like my boss was personally satisfied with the outcome, he had also mentioned that it would be up to HR to make the final decision, and that it would be out of his hands: he also mentioned that if I didn't hear anything by the end of Friday, then consider the case closed and that was that. Seeing how the last couple of weeks had zero issues, I put it on the back of my mind content that I had secured my job.
Sure enough, one hour left on Friday and HR came in, only gave me a vague "We feel you didn't make the sufficient improvements from the program" spiel and escorted me out.
I did not like this job. In fact, it was probably the second worst job I ever had. It may not have been physically demanding, but the notion of spending several hours a day staring at a computer monitor and not being allowed to use my phone, listen to music, read a book or anything else made me incredibly stressful. And there was no advancement opportunities either. The days off and insurance perks were great, but that didn't mean I wanted to do this job forever.
But that said, I wanted to leave on my own terms. This may have been a new record for me (2 years), but it's still another job that I was fired from because I lacked something or didn't do something correctly. I was certain I was meeting their standards in this case, so the only thing I can think of is that was my possible people skills that were the final nail in the coffin (but that's a separate issue I'd like to discuss in a separate thread).
It helps that I was already formulating a back-up plan in the event this happened: I'm officially done with government jobs and office jobs. I'm also going to stop constantly debating what career path to take and just narrow it down to IT Security. I had started looking at Maser's videos for A+ certification, so I'm going to make it a daily routine to drive to Starbucks or some other Wi-Fi joint, watch the videos, apply for openings, and other related tasks while staying away from home and personal distractions (TV, games, etc).
But I'm really worried: I have a terrible habit of abandoning ideas halfway (that's another thread!), and I still don't know if the IT field is the one where I'll both enjoy it and excel at it. By sheer coincidence, a TV commercial was playing that was basically urging people to seek out their passion in a career, not just mindlessly clock in and out to a job they don't love. But my passions come with far too many caveats: I enjoy games, but have heard that game development is a desk-sleeping soulless nightmare. I like writing, but have never found anything beyond websites that charge a pittance (or nothing, i.e. "for the exposure) for articles. I like movies, but don't think I have the acting chops to star in them. I like porn, but well...I'm shy.
I seriously don't want to envision a repeat scenario where I was unemployed for several years. I don't want to fall back into my bad habits and I really want to focus on an airtight game plan that gives me the best possible odds of finding a new (and ideally better) career sooner rather than later.
Should I seek out part-time work in the meantime, like online work-at-home opportunities? Should I focus solely on getting the A+ certification and getting into IT as fast as possible, damn the hesitation? How do I keep the motivation, and how do I also make sure I don't get another job only to get fired yet again because I wasn't putting the work I thought I was or inadvertently pissing off people I thought I had a professional relationship with?
seems that they put you on a PIP (performance improvement plan). if they did give you one, you should have seen the writing on the wall (although, what's done is done). frankly, PIP's are rarely won and are a literal means for a company to let you go with a paper trail. i've seen it worked once, but the guy got a second PIP and that was it.
your motivation should be, how the fuck are you going to survive to put a roof over your head and food on your table. that should be a start. everything else, that's on you and not a forum answer on your ask.
Yes, it was a PIP.
If what you're saying is true, I would much prefer that outcome then knowing that I failed even after I doubled down and worked to fix the issues they brought up. If they had already made their decision with the PIP and nothing I did would have fixed that, that gives me a small amount of comfort.
I'll have to wait until Monday to speak to the HR rep, but I don't suppose this is something I could get her to actually admit?
Even so, now more than ever I need to come up with a scheduled plan on what I need to do from here out: filing for unemployment (HR will probably answer that one), applying smartly to open positions without burning out, and measuring my expectations accordingly. The latter is especially important as I tend to dismiss too many openings for one reason or another ("doesn't pay enough, too far, I don't have that one skillset, etc"). If you look at my post history, you'll see I have a problem with over-thinking and over-planning. I need to have a solid plan laid out so I don't end up unemployed for even longer due to my own ineptitude.
In short, how do I set up a daily job applying game plan without feeling overwhelmed?
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Best thing you could do, IMO, is to set aside a certain amount of hours to apply through websites and other means you may have like Linkedin. That's what I did, because being stuck all day stressing out about applying doesn't help at all. You can decide how to use the other hours - whether to try to keep studying for you certifications.
As for the expectations part, I've been seeing your posts here and I think you'll have to temper them a bit Soldier. If you have some savings you can be a bit more picky if start being frugal but if not, you'll have to apply to jobs even if they don't match your pay expectations.
I still haven't figured out the best way to use LinkedIn efficiently. Just use it like any other job search site?
if you need a job, linkedin is one way, though i have been using indeed.com then filter out by region.
did you come in as a CS major or from a boot camp ?
if either or, do you believe coming from one or the other would affect your pay band/scale ?
did you come in as a CS major or from a boot camp ?
if either or, do you believe coming from one or the other would affect your pay band/scale ?
I studied CS at uni, and I have around 5 years of experience.
My last job was more senior but I took a lesser role that's entirely remote, which pays more technically cause I don't have to move to London.
ah. i'm not familiar with the UK pay scale, but in california, range is 80k entry level to 100k with experience and upwards to 150k usd.
what websites do people use to find jobs in the UK ?
do they have something similar to indeed for general jobs or dice for techs and angielist for startup jobs?
well pay is relative so I don't think about it too much, I know friends who work at Facebook and Google and they don't earn that much more when you add up the differences.
yes, i know that if you make x in the UK, it won't necessarily equate to Y in the US in terms of pay.
To answer your question as to how to find jobs, I can't speak for UK but personally I use http://hnhiring.me and then filter by whatever keywords I'm looking for.
I also use linkedin since I get daily messages, but only if the offer is interesting.
Applying for more jobs this week and cleaning up the resume. Man there really are too many shady offers out there and the various websites im using that host job ads need to be better at sifting them. Particularly since there are only sub 500 jobs listed, about 200 average in any week.
"be paid $40,000 to live, work, and study in X place" by several recruiters who get people jobs at convenience stores and pay a huge application fee is nuts that they are allowed to be listed.
"be paid $40,000 to live, work, and study in X place" by several recruiters who get people jobs at convenience stores and pay a huge application fee is nuts that they are allowed to be listed.
I fixed up my resume in Linkedin, and put a nice introduction paragraph. It did take me some days of thinking it - I suck at cover letters and the like.
The idea is to present yourself, state what you are looking for, and highligh info you think will make a recruiter interested.
Here are two webpages to give you ideas:
http://time.com/money/5077954/linkedin-profile-tips-resume/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/willia...rite-a-stellar-linkedin-summary/#703abe853067
After that, what could help to make Linkedin more useful is search headhunter and HR people and add them, since they tend to publish offers through Linkedin and also start following companies you may be interested in working with, and check constantly if there is any offer.
The key is to get a big network, but focus on getting good "quality" contacts and discard contacts that may seem shady or that offer useless junk.
I am a film major graduate who realized he does not like his career path so much. I've been applying for video editing jobs in Washington state and California (Mostly Washington) for over a year and I don't even get a mass rejection email 99% of the time. It is infuriating, I may not like my career path but I was going to try to use it to get out of the midwest and back to where I used to live.
I have so many "passion jobs" that I wish were in ample supply, but any time I set aside some time to search openings, they tend to follow the "pay by exposure" or "you might as well just work for free" camp.
-Videogame Reviewer/Journalist
-Video Editor
-Blog Writer
-YouTube Content Creator
Are any of these even remotely obtainable from a self sustatining point of view? Someone's out there making money doing these kinds of things.
I am not sure, I am basically looking for any video editing job. I don't have real passion behind it like I did in college so maybe that is part of my issue.
Another rejection email. I've gotten so far multiple times, only to always end up with a rejection or ghosting from every one of them.
I've always wanted to just give up and try something else. But what am I gonna do? I'm not creative enough to do something that people would actually like, intelligent enough to invent something that's original or people would use, or even charismatic enough to do something like streaming or content creation. I have no avenue to explore but to keep trying to get a job and keep getting rejected.
I hate my job, my boss refuses to pay me a living wage, I don't care at this point enough to go out of my way to please them either since they clearly don't care about me. I'm making them a fortune and getting paid a pittance while my boss claims he pays fairly. I'm just, so tired of this. Everything I do ends up for nothing.
I've always wanted to just give up and try something else. But what am I gonna do? I'm not creative enough to do something that people would actually like, intelligent enough to invent something that's original or people would use, or even charismatic enough to do something like streaming or content creation. I have no avenue to explore but to keep trying to get a job and keep getting rejected.
I hate my job, my boss refuses to pay me a living wage, I don't care at this point enough to go out of my way to please them either since they clearly don't care about me. I'm making them a fortune and getting paid a pittance while my boss claims he pays fairly. I'm just, so tired of this. Everything I do ends up for nothing.
Assess the process and your profile and try to see why you are ending up as the bridesmaid instead of the bride. Reach out to some of the companies that have turned you down and see what you could do differently.
Things will get better. You obviously have experience and a desirable skill set to make it that far in the interview process. Keep at it.
And don't forget the social aspect of this social network. Oftentimes job postings will include who from the company posted them. Send them an inmail and introduce yourself. At the very least it gets you some attention from a recruiter/hiring manager.
The remote insurance position was offered to me and I accepted. Only problem is I need to come up with $33 to buy a very specific USB drive. I've already sold nearly everything I own and they won't let me donate plasma. Not sure what I'm gonna do. Anyone got advice?
are you in the US ? you got credit cards ?
also, how did you come to your situation where you have nothing ?
Lost my job. Been applying like a mad man to anything, but this is the first that came up. I maxed my cards out and they are frozen since I couldn't pay them. Then I started selling things to pay essential bills. I mean, I have my computer, monitor, and furniture of course. I can't part with those since they are needed for the new job. I have til the 22nd to obtain the drive(orientation). I'm sure there is a way I just haven't thought of it yet.
quick loan online from a private lender ? unless your score has taken a huge tank
Also, Craigslist help wanted for an odd job, so long as it seems safe. I'm sorry to hear it TaterTots and I hope things will be looking up for you very soon.
Good luck you guys.
I'm on my 2nd month of my internship. I only got in because of no reason at all. No interviews. I don't have any experience and I slacked off in college. I stopped sending out resumes after a few months after graduation because of anxiety. Just met up with the software director a few times the past 9 months. Thanks mom (indirectly) for the connection.
Now I got to learn SQL. I got to work with millions of records on my first assignment.
I'm on my 2nd month of my internship. I only got in because of no reason at all. No interviews. I don't have any experience and I slacked off in college. I stopped sending out resumes after a few months after graduation because of anxiety. Just met up with the software director a few times the past 9 months. Thanks mom (indirectly) for the connection.
Now I got to learn SQL. I got to work with millions of records on my first assignment.
Giving Enterprise Rent A Car a try, applied for their management trainee position. I immediately got a response back and am scheduled for a phone screening tomorrow (about 5 minutes, basically the prerequisite to move onto the actual interview).
Any tips? I want to make sure I say the right things to win over the phone interviewer's approval.
Any tips? I want to make sure I say the right things to win over the phone interviewer's approval.
its literally customer service/retail and cleaning cars while in a suit or business casual.
I'm aware, but they also pay really well. If I could do well in the company, I'd be pretty much set for life.
I've shyed away from jobs with commision, but I've recently come to realize that money motivates me: a job where I've got a set salary and the chance to earn additional bonuses could be just what I need to stay focused and ready to always improve in a job.
Also, working on my customer service skills could be what I need to help improve my social inadequacies as a whole. For now I want to give it a shot.
What are the chances of getting rehired a year later? I had a mental breakdown, went into the mental hospital, and dropped off the radar. They sent a letter telling me to write hr what happened to consider for continued employment. I sent in my discharge paper but they declined.
So it looks like I'll probably turn down the Enterprise job if I was offered it, as the big con from employees on Glassdoor unanimously state that the position demands at least 50 hour work weeks, often spread out through six days a week.
This is where my self doubt creeps in: am I conveniently talking myself out of a good opportunity, or is it reasonable to say that 50 hours is fucking bullshit and it would break me real fast?
I figure I should go through with the phone screening either way just to get the practice for interviewing; who knows, maybe they changed their policies, doensn't hurt to ask.
Is this to be expected for salary+commission jobs?
This is where my self doubt creeps in: am I conveniently talking myself out of a good opportunity, or is it reasonable to say that 50 hours is fucking bullshit and it would break me real fast?
I figure I should go through with the phone screening either way just to get the practice for interviewing; who knows, maybe they changed their policies, doensn't hurt to ask.
Is this to be expected for salary+commission jobs?
OH NO!
I just made the nightmare dumbass mistake of sending in an application email to a studio without attaching my resume
Worse still, I instead attached a cover letter to another studio
Worse than that, I didn't notice at the time of sending, so the person at the company sent back an email asking for my resume
And the worst part, that person was Warren Spector!
I just made the nightmare dumbass mistake of sending in an application email to a studio without attaching my resume
Worse still, I instead attached a cover letter to another studio
Worse than that, I didn't notice at the time of sending, so the person at the company sent back an email asking for my resume
And the worst part, that person was Warren Spector!
I'm sure they will have had worse.... Maybe.
Think of the funny story it'll be after you've worked there for a couple of years...
I'm going to graduate the next month but I don't have any experience at all because my current job is a joke.
What I can do?
What I can do?
Go through the process and ask for the job details. Glassdoor may give an idea, but you have to know that sometimes pissed off former employees also leave bad reviews just to damage the company.
And you can talk here about what you think its the problem with this job, and also, what are its pros. Considering your previous posts sounded excited about the chance, it is a bit of a sudden change.
A good question is, do you have a possibility of making a career out of this? It is a steeping stone for some months until you find something better?
Do you have any experience relating to your area, such as internships? Your current job hasn't given you any skills or things that may help your resumé?
My current job is in my area that is accounting but the accountant doesn't give a fuck and we do a lot of...kinda illegal stuff and that is not going to help me at all for my next job.
Yeah, I would be very, very wary of how this works. If they ask for a deposit to send you a key to the house or any other sort of request that requires you to cash cheques up front or give them anything I would run. Simply googling who is asking, the location, the email address of the person, etc should give you some information. In my experience, these and secret shopper jobs are always too good to be true.
Two months of unemployment achievement unlocked.
Had a great second interview for a job and I'm anxiously waiting to hear back. I pray for that.
I have a few loose threads of interviews I'm waiting to hear back from along with some in person and phone interviews lined up.
Had a great second interview for a job and I'm anxiously waiting to hear back. I pray for that.
I have a few loose threads of interviews I'm waiting to hear back from along with some in person and phone interviews lined up.