timrtabor123

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What the audience grew up with isn't a factor.

There is no guarantee that all the systems that came with Hashino in P3~P5 are here to stay going forward. With new directors comes new direction.
That's part of what made P3 so exciting back then and that's part of what makes P6 so exciting now. Many things we've come to know or expect from Persona can change. Pretty drastically, in fact.

I said all that to say, Persona's existing identity won't impact P1/P2 remakes or remasters.

As far as Persona 2 goes —

They'll basically handle it the same way any other developer / publisher has handled a duology. If it's worth it to remake them, it'll be mostly 1:1, and it'll be handled the same way the Persona remakes on PSP were handled or the way SEGA handled Yakuza Kiwami 1 & 2.
If it's not worth it to remake them, they'll be handled closer to the way SEGA handled Yakuza 1 & 2 HD or how Falcom handled Zero/Ao no Kiseki Kai. Remastered with touch-ups and some quality of life improvements.
Or they'll remaster and port over the existing Persona 1-2 PSP remakes.

Either way, there is precedent, and they won't be pulling any FF7R shenanigans. What we get will be close to the P1/P2 experience we already know.

The idea of P1 and P2 coming in the future isn't far-fetched or a unique challenge or anything.

So, if it's something you're looking forward to or hoping for, I wouldn't worry. 😊
I mean sure we will probably see some battle system and presentation changes but generally you don't rock the boat after the biggest selling and most critically acclaimed game in your franchise and I might even argue social links/calendar system + coming of age anime story are the brand now as Persona has existed with them as pillars of design/presentation style for much of its biggest years of growth as a series.
 

ShinkuTachi

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I mean sure we will probably see some battle system and presentation changes but generally you don't rock the boat after the biggest selling and most critically acclaimed game in your franchise and I might even argue social links/calendar system + coming of age anime story are the brand now as Persona has existed with them as pillars of design/presentation style for much of its biggest years of growth as a series.

It's something that happens pretty regularly across the industry. It's normal. New director, new vision, new direction, the boat gets rocked.

Don't expect P6 to be P3 redux like P4 and P5 were.
 

Lukar

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Forcing a calendar into P2 would absolutely 10000% not work, and you might as well call it Persona 6 if they tried to do it. Ain't nobody going to school and going on dates when literal Nazis in helicopter robots from Antarctica have invaded the city.
... I think I need to play Persona 2.
 

Broseph

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I expect Persona 4 to get a remake just so Atlus has all of 3-5 in a similar visual look. I have a feeling they will recast the voice actors again though and I'm not looking forward to that. That cast was so stacked especially Yosuke and Rise's VAs
 

Son of Sparda

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Are we gonna get another Persona remake before we get Persona 6?!

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I'm having hard time seeing how P2 gets FFVIIR'd honestly. I guess it also depends on what you mean by that: Turning it into an action RPG? Changing the story? Forcing a calendar system into it?

I doubt it would need to be an action RPG, modern Persona games have more than proved that turn-based is viable and not dead. Now I will admit the combat could use some tweaks. I could see them possibly trying to implement knockdowns, or maybe making fusion attacks proc off a weakness or something instead of the way they work (specific combinations of spells/classification of spells) in the original. Maybe change it where Ma- variants of spells include all enemies instead of just one species of enemy. Most important though (and I think they should do this no matter what): drop the card system and change it to fusion. Even if they make it work like Persona 1, where successful negotiations give you a spell card that you can't use as a Persona, but you fuse the Spell Cards to get Personas, that would be better.

I don't think the story itself really needs any changes.

Forcing a calendar into P2 would absolutely 10000% not work, and you might as well call it Persona 6 if they tried to do it. Ain't nobody going to school and going on dates when literal Nazis in helicopter robots from Antarctica have invaded the city.
I just meant it'll have to be a different type of game. I think it'll play like whatever persona 6 is.
 

HylianSeven

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Is that fan translation good? I remember years ago there were several attempts at one but they all had various problems or something.
It uses the PS1 localization but with more accurate names for things (for instance, "Kei Nanjo" instead of "Nate Nanjo") and some other small changes, plus the bonus Tatsuya scenario that wasn't in the PS1 version is translated.
 

Roxas

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It uses the PS1 localization but with more accurate names for things (for instance, "Kei Nanjo" instead of "Nate Nanjo") and some other small changes, plus the bonus Tatsuya scenario that wasn't in the PS1 version is translated.

I am pretty confused, but the p2 PSP game was two games, right? Were they both translated? I seem to have a vague notion of only one of them being translated last I checked (5+ years ago)
 

HylianSeven

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I am pretty confused, but the p2 PSP game was two games, right? Were they both translated? I seem to have a vague notion of only one of them being translated last I checked (5+ years ago)
Yeah, it's a little confusing. I will lay it out. Innocent Sin is part 1, Eternal Punishment is part 2.

Persona 2 Innocent Sin - PlayStation - fan translation released in late 2000s

Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - PlayStation - official localization released in 2000, this is still buyable on PlayStation Network on PS3, PSP, and PS Vita. Don't bother trying to hunt down a physical copy unless you want to spend your life savings on it.

Persona 2 Innocent Sin - PSP - Official localization released in 2011. Still buyable on PSN for PSP and Vita. This is the version to play, it has a better translation than the fan one in my opinion, but I get why some people prefer some quirks of the PS1 version


Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - PSP - Fan translation released in 2022, this is the version to play. It uses the Official localization of the PS1 version while fixing names of things like spells and characters.
 

Lukar

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And that's only a part of the wild ride that is Innocent Sin, that game basically starts off the rails and ramps up to the Nazis, and then goes beyond that even.

It's my personal favorite. Especially Eternal Punishment.
If you have the time, the duology is 100% worth a playthrough.

The funny thing is that it gets even wilder than that.

Personally I only think IS is worth playing, it's a great game. I hated EP though, I had a miserable time with it.


I would highly encourage you to play the Persona 2 Duology, ideally the PSP ports. They're the best versions of the PS1 games to play, and if you need a guide for the Persona Fusion system, please look one up.

Best story best cast baybee

The PSP games are pretty much the definitive way to go. Eternal Punishment PSP even got a fan translation recently
That's a hell of a lot of endorsements lol. Alrighty then. Currently playing P3R, but I do want to run through the rest of the series too. I'll probably do P3R -> P1 (PSP) -> P4G -> P2IS (PSP) -> P2EP (PSP) -> P5R. Will take a long time though, since I'm also playing a bunch of other stuff.
 

HylianSeven

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That's a hell of a lot of endorsements lol. Alrighty then. Currently playing P3R, but I do want to run through the rest of the series too. I'll probably do P3R -> P1 (PSP) -> P4G -> P2IS (PSP) -> P2EP (PSP) -> P5R. Will take a long time though, since I'm also playing a bunch of other stuff.
Enjoy! Although I would understand if you bounced off of Persona 1 after trying it. The encounter rate in addition to how long combat takes turns a lot of people off. I like the game myself, but even I got burned out on it and didn't finish my Snow Queen playthrough.
 

Roxas

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Yeah, it's a little confusing. I will lay it out. Innocent Sin is part 1, Eternal Punishment is part 2.

Persona 2 Innocent Sin - PlayStation - fan translation released in late 2000s

Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - PlayStation - official localization released in 2000, this is still buyable on PlayStation Network on PS3, PSP, and PS Vita. Don't bother trying to hunt down a physical copy unless you want to spend your life savings on it.

Persona 2 Innocent Sin - PSP - Official localization released in 2011. Still buyable on PSN for PSP and Vita. This is the version to play, it has a better translation than the fan one in my opinion, but I get why some people prefer some quirks of the PS1 version


Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - PSP - Fan translation released in 2022, this is the version to play. It uses the Official localization of the PS1 version while fixing names of things like spells and characters.

Hm, I see, I reckon I'd be able to emulate it and cheat my way to make combat easier (got many games to play, I want to experience the story, plus if I'm being honest, the dungeon crawling isn't necessarily my favorite aspect of Persona), well, on to the list it goes, thanks!
 

Ekid

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I mean sure we will probably see some battle system and presentation changes but generally you don't rock the boat after the biggest selling and most critically acclaimed game in your franchise and I might even argue social links/calendar system + coming of age anime story are the brand now as Persona has existed with them as pillars of design/presentation style for much of its biggest years of growth as a series.
Considering Hashino apparently included these elements in Metaphor I hope P6 try to go for something different than a copy pasta of the same formula in a new setting.
Enjoy! Although I would understand if you bounced off of Persona 1 after trying it. The encounter rate in addition to how long combat takes turns a lot of people off. I like the game myself, but even I got burned out on it and didn't finish my Snow Queen playthrough.
Snow Queen... I remember farming the Casino to get Megidoleon so I could clear the dungeons in reverse order for the best ending or something like that.

Wasn't fun. Main route was good tho except for the part where I missed the secret character at the beginning:'(
 

ShinkuTachi

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Ive gone through too many thread meltdowns over changes to new franchise installments for me to pretend like rocking the formula is a thing that doesn't happen

Yep, 100% lol. Some ppl gonna be in for a rude awakening, if you will, lol

Best story best cast baybee

Easily my favorite cast in the franchise, especially Eternal Punishment's 🥰

Yeah, it's a little confusing. I will lay it out. Innocent Sin is part 1, Eternal Punishment is part 2.

Persona 2 Innocent Sin - PlayStation - fan translation released in late 2000s

Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - PlayStation - official localization released in 2000, this is still buyable on PlayStation Network on PS3, PSP, and PS Vita. Don't bother trying to hunt down a physical copy unless you want to spend your life savings on it.

Persona 2 Innocent Sin - PSP - Official localization released in 2011. Still buyable on PSN for PSP and Vita. This is the version to play, it has a better translation than the fan one in my opinion, but I get why some people prefer some quirks of the PS1 version


Persona 2 Eternal Punishment - PSP - Fan translation released in 2022, this is the version to play. It uses the Official localization of the PS1 version while fixing names of things like spells and characters.

I always love seeing your posts. You're always so kindly giving information and whatnot. A positive part of the community 😊

If you can wait 2-3 years…

I look forward to having a reason to spend several hours listening to this again~ 🎶🥰

 

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It would be so weird to remake P2 next. Yes, it won that fan poll but only by a small margin. It makes so much more sense to either remake P4 next (very popular game, it's already in the P3/P5 format, and if you remake it, the entire modern Persona series is reasonably up-to-date) or if you're going to remake classic Persona, start with the original game (which sold noticeably better than Persona 2, both originally and with the enhanced PSP versions) and do them all. Especially since characters from P1 show up in P2:IS and P2:EP.

And honestly, Persona 1 is the most underrated game in the series.
 

SketchDog

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It would be so weird to remake P2 next. Yes, it won that fan poll but only by a small margin. It makes so much more sense to either remake P4 next (very popular game, it's already in the P3/P5 format, and if you remake it, the entire modern Persona series is reasonably up-to-date) or if you're going to remake classic Persona, start with the original game (which sold noticeably better than Persona 2, both originally and with the enhanced PSP versions) and do them all. Especially since characters from P1 show up in P2:IS and P2:EP.

And honestly, Persona 1 is the most underrated game in the series.
What would you consider a remake exactly
 

HylianSeven

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Considering Hashino apparently included these elements in Metaphor I hope P6 try to go for something different than a copy pasta of the same formula in a new setting.

Snow Queen... I remember farming the Casino to get Megidoleon so I could clear the dungeons in reverse order for the best ending or something like that.

Wasn't fun. Main route was good tho except for the part where I missed the secret character at the beginning:'(
Yeah I got to the point of trying to farm that free dungeon (Devil's Tower I think, or something like that) for stuff and it got pretty grating, often resulting in me attempting the dungeon again. I got through Hypnos Tower and Nemesis Tower without issue, but fucking Thanatos Tower broke me. It's gimmick of anyone dying (and there's lots of instakills) requiring you to have to go all the way back down to get their Persona back was just not fun or interesting. It's made even worse by no saving in the tower dungeons.

I might try to actually power through that part of Snow Queen some day, but I'll sooner replay SEBEC with the music mod (that I actually have on my Steam Deck).
Yep, 100% lol. Some ppl gonna be in for a rude awakening, if you will, lol



Easily my favorite cast in the franchise, especially Eternal Punishment's 🥰



I always love seeing your posts. You're always so kindly giving information and whatnot. A positive part of the community 😊



I look forward to having a reason to spend several hours listening to this again~ 🎶🥰


Thank you! 😊
It would be so weird to remake P2 next. Yes, it won that fan poll but only by a small margin. It makes so much more sense to either remake P4 next (very popular game, it's already in the P3/P5 format, and if you remake it, the entire modern Persona series is reasonably up-to-date) or if you're going to remake classic Persona, start with the original game (which sold noticeably better than Persona 2, both originally and with the enhanced PSP versions) and do them all. Especially since characters from P1 show up in P2:IS and P2:EP.

And honestly, Persona 1 is the most underrated game in the series.
I don't really think it makes less sense than say....remaking Persona 3 before 1 and 2.

I wonder if we will ever get a P1 remake, because while P2 is pretty serviceable, I can tell you up front that while you and I enjoy Persona 1 as it is, the vast majority of people will not enjoy it and I don't blame them. The game has a ton of dumb bullshit in it that would really need to be sorted out in a remake. I agree that P1 is underrated, but I still rate it at the bottom of my personal rankings of Persona games.
 

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It used the script of the original PSX version for the most part with some slight fixes. From what I've read it seems pretty good.
Maybe after Reload and Rebirth I'll have time to sit down and finally play them. Would need to replay P1 first though because I barely remember it and I'm not looking forward to replaying P1. lol
 

ShinkuTachi

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Who is even working on P6? Does Atlus have 3 teams?

Persona 6 would be developed by P-Studios. They have 3 development divisions or "Creative Departments" lead by Team Maniax, P-Studios, and Studio Zero, with splinter teams within those departments. Think of Atlus's "Creative Departments" the same way you'd think of Square Enix's "Creative Business Units"
 
Persona 6 would be developed by P-Studios. They have 3 development divisions or "Creative Departments" lead by Team Maniax, P-Studios, and Studio Zero, with splinter teams within those departments. Think of Atlus's "Creative Departments" the same way you'd think of Square Enix's "Creative Business Units"
Maniax ain't even real studio fr. More like a team of folks that work on SMT. They are just Atlus. Now with the huge success of SMT V, having a dedicated non persona megaten studio wouldn't be a bad idea. They announced EO6 eons ago but it ain't nowhere near finished probably because the creator of EO (and I'd assume the rest of the people) made SMT V. The guy behind maniax hasn't directed a game since SMT IV for whatever reason. Raidou judging by the polls is probably gonna get remade, maybe he's on that idk.
 

Mivey

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Maybe after Reload and Rebirth I'll have time to sit down and finally play them. Would need to replay P1 first though because I barely remember it and I'm not looking forward to replaying P1. lol
There's not all that much from Persona 1 that plays a role in Persona 2. Pretty much just a couple cameos, nothing vital. Reading through a plot summary in the Wikia is probably more than enough. I never finished P1 (got bored after hours of dungeon crawling with a fairly uninteresting plot and cast), and I had a pretty great time with the two P2 games
 

ShinkuTachi

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Maniax ain't even real studio fr. More like a team of folks that work on SMT. They are just Atlus. Now with the huge success of SMT V, having a dedicated non persona megaten studio wouldn't be a bad idea. They announced EO6 eons ago but it ain't nowhere near finished probably because the creator of EO (and I'd assume the rest of the people) made SMT V. The guy behind maniax hasn't directed a game since SMT IV for whatever reason. Raidou judging by the polls is probably gonna get remade, maybe he's on that idk.

The name stuck and it's good branding. Team Maniax is as much of a "studio" as P-Studios and Studio Zero. Team Maniax is head Creative Department 1st Production. Each of the three - Maniax, P, and Zero - each lead a creative department.

Team Maniax is also responsible for SMTV
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